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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: Tickettyboo on Thursday 12 November 20 18:42 GMT (UK)
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I have a blind spot with map reading at the best of times.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L987-GPP?i=89
url EDITed as I posted the wrong one!, sorry
For the above page from the 1911 census, I would like to know where this was - particularly in relation to the city of Regina.
The first page of the set says Regina.
At the top of the page it says Township 16, Range 21, West 2
beside the family I am interested in on line 37, it has a further set of figures in col 4 of 11-16-21 (though there seems to be some sort of 'squiggle' between the 16 and the 21).
If anyone could help I'd be grateful.
Thanks
Boo
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At the top of the census page it gives a description for col 4.
Sandra
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Not what you asked for ----- You may have these already, Robert, Margrette and two children 1916 Swift Current Saskatchewan.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1916&op=&img&id=31228_4363974-00842
1926 Swift Current Saskatchewan - Margrette is widowed.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=census1926&op=img&id=e011249689
Sandra
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U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index - George Albert Bates
George A Bates - Birth Date 14 Feb 1914 Swift Current, Canada
Death Date 16 Mar 1998
Father William R Bates
Mother Margrette Henry
Notes: Dec 1956: Name listed as George Albert Bates - 20 Mar 1998: Name listed as George A Bates.
Sandra
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Oregon Death Index -George Albert Bates - 14 February 1914 - 16 March 1998 Multnomah -
Age 84 - spouse Olga. Certificate 98-07231
SSDI - George A. Bates - Birth Date 14 Feb 1914 - 16 March 1998
Last Residence: 97214, Portland, Multnomah, Oregon.
Obituary - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QKLQ-YSZN
Sandra
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Obituary for the daughter of George Albert Bates and Olga Sapinsky
Darlene Sheila Duffy - March 2, 1942 - March 13, 2017 (75 years old) Penticton, British Columbia.
https://www.pentictonwesternnews.com/obituaries/darlene-duffy/
https://www.echovita.com/ca/obituaries/bc/penticton/darlene-sheila-duffy-2023474
https://www.lenecrologue.com/canada/british-columbia/interior-bc/non-defini/penticton/hansons-arbor-funeral-chapels-and-crematorium/RvXQ/darlene-sheila-duffy/obituaries/
Sandra
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Daughter of George A Bates and Olga Sapinsky
SSDI - Winona J Stout - Birth Date 23 May 1943 - 11 February 2014
Issue Year 1959-1960 - Issue State Oregon
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ8L-147R
Sandra
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Olga Sapinsky Bates - with photo - August 23, 1921 - April 3, 2019.
https://www.holmansfuneralservice.com/obituary/olga-bates/
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra, I 'did' read the notes in col 4, but it may as well be in Japanese as it obviously refers to some sort of grid ref that relates to how Canada was 'mapped' and, as I said map refs not my forte (my brain freezes over).
The other stuff you have kindly provided is all correct, it was really nice of you to look for it and its appreciated.
My problem is with [William] Robert Bates he appears to have left his wife and children sometime after the 1916 census in Swift Current. I have all his details up to then from his birth in Wallsend, Northumberland, England in 1882, marriage to Margaret /Margarette Henry in Gateshead 1903, emigration to Canada in 1907 etc. Though I do not know when or where he died.
The 1911 census I posted looks 'likely' to be them but the birth years are a few years out. I know that 2 of Margaret/Margarette's brothers spent a year in Canada and have them in Regina in 1911. If these co-ordinates/ map refs show that they were fairly near to the Bates' family that would lend a little more weight to the 1911 census being the one I was looking for.
Finding [William] Robert's Bates death would enable me to have a 'full house' of life span records for the family and would greatly please his grand daughter who knows nothing about her Grandfather other than he disappeared never to be seen or heard of again.
I am not holding my breath :-)
Boo
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I have no idea if this is the right way to go about it, but it does put Robert and Margarette Bates near Regina.
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this site
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/about-census.aspx#c
says "For Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta, the location was noted by township, range or meridian such as "T. 14, R. 9, W. 3," for township 14, range 9, west of the 3rd meridian."
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The top of the page for Robert Bates says the enumeration district was Township 16, Range 21, West 2.
I went here:
https://gisappl.saskatchewan.ca/Html5Ext/index.html?viewer=saskinteractive
and, following the search examples in the left sidebar, looked up 16-21-2 for Township 16, Range 21, West of meridian 2
then I clicked on a few things in the left sidebar and found that by clicking on Section it gave a list of sections within Township 16 Range 21.
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Column 4 for Robert Bates says 11-16-21.
I assumed that 11 was his section number in Township 16, Range 21. I scrolled down to 11-16-21-2 and clicked on it.
eventually by zooming in, out, and waiting for the map to load I got the attached map.
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I hovered the mouse over the tip of the pointy marker and the latitude/longitude indicator at the bottom of the map said
50.33145 N 104.78985 W
I Googled the latitude and longitude and Google maps also says it is not too far SW of Regina SK:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/50%C2%B019'53.2%22N+104%C2%B047'23.5%22W/@50.3897977,-104.7302114,11z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d50.33145!4d-104.78985
23.9 km, but shorter as the crow flies.
That map is attached also. The first one would be more accurate, because the second one depended on how accurately I hovered the mouse.
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I meant to include
This agrees with what the census archive says here
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1916/Pages/saskatchewan.aspx
"Townships 16, 17 and 18, range 21, west of second meridian, including the village of Grand Coulee - microfilm: T-21943"
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Many Thanks oldohiohome :-)
I had tried that site earlier but had no real idea what I was doing.
Your instructions were easy to follow and I have managed to replicate what you did.
It does lend a little more weight to the 1911 census being the right one for William Robert and Margaret Bates, even though the births years aren't right.
Though Margaret in particular had a problem with her year of birth, she managed to make herself 10 years older than she actually was from 1926 onwards and stuck with those extra 10 years till she died!
Really appreciate the help
Thanks
Boo