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Title: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 07:57 GMT (UK)
Hi,
My G.G Grandmother was named Mary Jane Drake in her 1864 marriage banns.
Married in aberystwyth to Albert Dawson.
Father is listed possibly as Michael Drake, although the transcriber seems to think he is named Macfiael.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jaJsxPnBP_8QoGYlL_VOgbdAleT78lP4/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jaJsxPnBP_8QoGYlL_VOgbdAleT78lP4/view?usp=sharing)
(Am not sure how to link photos)

She lived and died in Aberystywth following her marriage, known as Jane Dawson
In every census her place of birth is listed as Ireland, and Dublin, Ireland in one.
Listed age seems to put her born around 1848

I cannot find anything at all about either Mary Jane or Michael/Macfiael before the marriage, or anything about the father after the marriage.

In the local paper archives there is a petty sessions article about her being accused by a neighbour of fleeing Ireland following a murder, which then led to my GG Grandmother striking her.
From the local paper archives, she seems a bit feisty, and was always in the court for fighting, drinking, being a nuisance.
I have ordered the marriage certificate, but not sure where to go from here!
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 13 November 20 11:00 GMT (UK)
That is her marriage certificate image that you have posted, the signatures appear to be original so not a copy from the GRO.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 11:03 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry,what I meant to write is that I have ordered it and I am waiting for it to arrive.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 13 November 20 11:12 GMT (UK)
The image that you have posted is a copy of the parish register entry for their marriage.

A copy from a register office may be a duplicate if it has been scanned from the original entry which you already have.  If it is from the GRO it would normally be a copy of the record that was sent from the church which is not generally a copy with original signatures.  Sometimes the register office or GRO will issue a handwritten or typed transcript if the original is poor.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 11:14 GMT (UK)
Oh I see, so I have likely wasted my money then!
Ah well, live and learn!!
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 13 November 20 11:30 GMT (UK)
Something we have probably all done,  At least you have a copy with signatures as well  :). I do think it is more likely to say Michael but it is always best to look at all options

I did wonder if she was related to Frederick Drake who married in the same church in 1866 but his place of birth is Staffordshire and his father John Drake so we can probably eliminate him.  No other Drakes appearing in the area.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Friday 13 November 20 15:58 GMT (UK)
There is baptism of a Margaret Mary Jane Drake, 1850, Dublin (COI), father, Francis, a plumber, mother, Margaret. Of course, this would make her 14 when she married. Do you have her father's occupation?
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 16:03 GMT (UK)
According to the marriage banns, father Michael/Macfiael was a labourer.

Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 13 November 20 16:04 GMT (UK)
Do birth registrations for their children confirm her maiden name as Drake or something else?
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 16:17 GMT (UK)
I haven't bought any of the birth certificates of her children. The registers I find online list her as Jane Dawson or Mary Dawson.
That would be a great next step I think, to find the birth certificates
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 13 November 20 16:20 GMT (UK)
Census ages have has as

1881 - 37

1891 - 50

1901 - 76

Do you have her age in 1871 census? 
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Milliepede on Friday 13 November 20 16:23 GMT (UK)
You can look up the birth registrations on the General Registry Office website.  You have to register to search the indexes but it's free to register.

I can find registrations confirming mothers name as Drake.

One of the boys has a middle name Kendrick, don't know if that is significant.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 16:36 GMT (UK)
No for some reason I'm unable to find the 1871 census. I'll spend some time looking tonight.

Kendrick and Kenrick seems to be a name used a few times in her descendents. Definitely something to look into.

I'll register with the website now as I was searching BMD and it wasn't showing!
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 13 November 20 16:54 GMT (UK)
Census ages have has as

1881 - 37

1891 - 50

1901 - 76

Do you have her age in 1871 census?

She aged at twice the normal rate! She may not have known her correct age.
She might also have been mistaken about where she was born if her parents were dead or if they moved around when she was young.
The railway line to Aberystwith was constructed 1855-69. It's possible that Michael was employed in building it. Navvies were mobile and some lived in camps near their worksite. Some had their families with them.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Friday 13 November 20 16:57 GMT (UK)
The 1871 census states that she was born in Mold, Montgomeryshire. They are in Carmarthen.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V553-LWZ
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Friday 13 November 20 17:03 GMT (UK)
Daughter, Ema, born 1870, Aberystwith, MMN Drake (GRO)
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 17:22 GMT (UK)
Well Mold makes everything even more complex!!

Sorry I cant upload files properly, but this is what makes me think she at least sounded like she was from Ireland rather than Wales.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bYZCRllr-gA4i2u5RQPQTKJ2xD88WEz_/view?usp=sharing

Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Friday 13 November 20 17:23 GMT (UK)
Albert also keeps moving the goal posts. In 1871, he was born in Chester & he is a plasterer. In 1891, he was born in Wrexham & he is a coal dealer.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 13 November 20 17:27 GMT (UK)
The 1871 census states that she was born in Mold, Montgomeryshire. They are in Carmarthen.

Still on my railway theme, Chester-Mold railway opened 1849. Linked to Holyhead-Chester line. Holyhead-Kingstown (now Dun Laoghaire) was the mailboat route to & from Ireland. A mineral line was laid to Mold. Michael may have been a railway labourer or a miner, both mobile jobs. I can't see Mary Jane or Michael in Wales on 1851 census. They may have moved elsewhere in Britain or gone to Ireland. Railway construction boom in Ireland began later than in Britain.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 17:28 GMT (UK)
Albert Edward (1883) Dawson's  Dad was also Albert Edward Dawson (1844) so that may be some of the confusion?
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Friday 13 November 20 17:28 GMT (UK)
The 1871 census states that she was born in Mold, Montgomeryshire. They are in Carmarthen.

Still on my railway theme, Chester-Mold railway opened 1849. Linked to Holyhead-Chester line. Holyhead-Kingstown (now Dun Laoghaire) was the mailboat route to & from Ireland. A mineral line was laid to Mold. Michael may have been a railway labourer or a miner, both mobile jobs. I can't see Mary Jane or Michael in Wales on 1851 census. They may have moved elsewhere in Britain or gone to Ireland. Railway construction boom in Ireland began later than in Britain.

Oh Gosh, this is quite a lot of amazing avenues to explore...
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Maiden Stone on Friday 13 November 20 18:11 GMT (UK)
Some snippets of Aberystwyth history.
https://www.aberystwythguide.org.uk/history/to1880.shtml
1862 work began on railway Machynlleth-Aberystwyth
1864 railway to Shrewsbury opened. This was start of decline of local trade based on shipping.
You can look up other decades in the guide.
Railway development in places where Mary Jane Drake was might be coincidence.
I wonder who Mrs Hines was, the woman she had a dispute with and whether her accusation was genuine. 
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Wexflyer on Saturday 14 November 20 06:35 GMT (UK)
The father's name is clearly Michael. Macfiael is just nonsense.
The Jane may not be a baptismal name.
What were the children's names?
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Saturday 14 November 20 07:57 GMT (UK)
The father's name is clearly Michael. Macfiael is just nonsense.
The Jane may not be a baptismal name.
What were the children's names?

Yes agree, the surname is also transcribed as DRAKER, so someone had a bad day....

Children are
Mary Anne Dawson 1868
Charles Kenrick Dawson - 1872
Thomas Edward Dawson - 1877
Albert Edward Dawson - 1883
John Austin Dawson - 1888
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Saturday 14 November 20 09:02 GMT (UK)
Their were 2 more children missing from your list.

Martha Jane, born about 1866 & Ema, 1870-71. Neither Martha Jane or Mary Ann can be found on the GRO.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Saturday 14 November 20 09:09 GMT (UK)
Their were 2 more children missing from your list.

Martha Jane, born about 1866 & Ema, 1870-71. Neither Martha Jane or Mary Ann can be found on the GRO.

Oh interesting.
What are the reasons they wouldn't have been listed in the GRO?
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Saturday 14 November 20 09:11 GMT (UK)
There is a tree on familysearch which names Mary Jane's mother.....Joanna Donovan

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MTLR-XLD

Martha Jane's baptism, 1865

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1R4-ZFH
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: heywood on Saturday 14 November 20 09:11 GMT (UK)
Martha Jane Dowson b 1865 Aberystwyth mmn Drake
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Saturday 14 November 20 09:13 GMT (UK)
That's actually a tree I made a fair while ago that I thought I had deleted. It was a guessing tree where I would try and fit things together. I can't remember why it didn't work, but some of the info further down the line didn't match.
Thanks for bringing it back to my attention, I'll change privacy so that it doesn't get mistakenly used!

There is a tree on familysearch which names Mary Jane's mother.....Joanna Donovan

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/MTLR-XLD

Martha Jane's baptism, 1865

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X1R4-ZFH
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Saturday 14 November 20 09:16 GMT (UK)
Martha Jane in 1881, in Salford

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-HY2K
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: heywood on Saturday 14 November 20 09:17 GMT (UK)
These are baptisms in Killeagh Parish to Michael Drake and Julia/Joanna Donovan
Here is Mary 18th August 1844
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634264#page/73/mode/1up

Others are
Patrick January 1841
Honora June 184
Honora October 1848

You have now discounted this one I believe.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Saturday 14 November 20 09:20 GMT (UK)
I'm going to go back to it, I can't remember why it didn't work, so now with a better eye and understanding I think I'll reopen the line and see where it goes, tick the box one way or another for definite, thanks for bringing it back to the surface!

These are baptisms in Killeagh Parish to Michael Drake and Julia/Joanna Donovan
Here is Mary 18th August 1844
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634264#page/73/mode/1up

Others are
Patrick January 1841
Honora June 184
Honora October 1848

You have now discounted this one I believe.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: heywood on Saturday 14 November 20 09:28 GMT (UK)
This is possibly the marriage of that Mary Drake
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1872/11310/8150285.pdf

Maybe the reason it was discounted
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Saturday 14 November 20 09:28 GMT (UK)
Martha's marriage, 1887 to Reuben Constantine

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NND4-7Q6  Added   Page No. 47

Martha & family, 1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7ZRH-SMM

1901 census Widowed

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9LY-LLX

Martha returned to Aberystwith & re married in 1906

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D8X-LYG

Martha's death 1909

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J34-JKF

In the 1911 census, of the 4 girls Martha Jane had, 3 were in service & the youngest Martha in a home for girls. All in Lancashire.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Dundee on Saturday 14 November 20 13:09 GMT (UK)
I think this is a full list of the children of Albert and Mary Jane.

DOWSON, MARTHA  JANE
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE     
GRO Reference: 1865  S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 54

DOZON, MARY
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE     
GRO Reference: 1868  M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 61

DAWSON, EMA
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE 
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 54
(died 1871 aged 1)

DAWSON, CHARLES  KENRICK
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE 
GRO Reference: 1872  J Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 59

DAWSON, THOMAS  EDWARD
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE 
GRO Reference: 1877  J Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 61

DAWSON, TERESA  EMILY
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE         
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 64
(died 1881 aged 1)

DAWSON, ALBERT  EDWARD
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 55

DAWSON, DAVID  WILLIAM
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 55
(died 1885 aged under 1 year)

DAWSON, JOHN  AUSTIN
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 57
(died 1886 aged under 1 year)

I cannot see a registration for the John Austin supposedly born in 1888.

Debra  :)


 
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Saturday 14 November 20 13:18 GMT (UK)
I think this is a full list of the children of Albert and Mary Jane.

DOWSON, MARTHA  JANE
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE     
GRO Reference: 1865  S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 54

DOZON, MARY
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE     
GRO Reference: 1868  M Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 61

DAWSON, EMA
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE 
GRO Reference: 1870  S Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 54
(died 1871 aged 1)

DAWSON, CHARLES  KENRICK
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE 
GRO Reference: 1872  J Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 59

DAWSON, THOMAS  EDWARD
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE 
GRO Reference: 1877  J Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 61

DAWSON, TERESA  EMILY
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE         
GRO Reference: 1879  S Quarter in ABERYSTWYTH  Volume 11B  Page 64
(died 1881 aged 1)

DAWSON, ALBERT  EDWARD
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE
GRO Reference: 1883  S Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 55

DAWSON, DAVID  WILLIAM
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE
GRO Reference: 1885  M Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 55
(died 1885 aged under 1 year)

DAWSON, JOHN  AUSTIN
Mother's maiden name: DRAKE
GRO Reference: 1886  J Quarter in ABERYSTWITH  Volume 11B  Page 57
(died 1886 aged under 1 year)

I cannot see a registration for the John Austin supposedly born in 1888.

Debra  :)

Wow, that's brilliant. Thank you.
There are 2 John Austin's I found out yesterday!

One belonging to Mary Jane Drake and one belonging to her daughter Martha Jane

Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Saturday 14 November 20 13:20 GMT (UK)
Martha's marriage, 1887 to Reuben Constantine

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NND4-7Q6  Added   Page No. 47

Martha & family, 1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7ZRH-SMM

1901 census Widowed

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9LY-LLX

Martha returned to Aberystwith & re married in 1906

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2D8X-LYG

Martha's death 1909

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2J34-JKF

In the 1911 census, of the 4 girls Martha Jane had, 3 were in service & the youngest Martha in a home for girls. All in Lancashire.

Thank you for all this.
I'll print everything and start trying to fit the jigsaw together!
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Saturday 14 November 20 14:41 GMT (UK)
1851 census, Albert Dawson, Wrexham

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8Z-YCD
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 14 November 20 21:35 GMT (UK)
Mention this chap, probably no connection, but I find him interesting! And  because of some of the names, Michael, Theresa, Mary Jane. Sorry!

A marriage on FamilySearch, Cheshire Parish Registers.
14 July 1862, at St. Bridget, Chester
Daniel Drake, 22, father Michael Drake
+
Mary Ann Devreaux, father George
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3RV-463

Sadly no image (will be online somewhere) for father's occupation, which might rule it out
But it was by licence, we can see the allegation
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DB1W-7WH?i=421

Daniel was a police officer!
This looks like him in Chester in 1861 (piece 2625 folio 102 page 9, RD Great Boughton)
Daniel Drake, 21, Police Constable, born Ireland, in lodgings, says he is married!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M721-LMW

There seems to be a story about him in the Chester Observer, 19 July 1862, "The Effects of Jealousy"
Eliza Williams, Mary Anne Williams, who had transferred her name into that of Drake, Ann Bradley, and Daniel Drake charged by a police constable with causing a disturbance.
Drake had promised to marry Ann Bradley, but had instead decided to marry Mary Williams. In the altercation it is claimed that Bradley bit Mrs Williams in the arm.
Two oddities, no mention of Drake being a policeman (if it is the same man), and Mary Ann being Williams rather than Devreax. The argument happened on the previous Sunday, so probably the night before the marriage.

Anyway, they went to America.
I think we can see Mary and two daughters,Mary J, 5, and Teresa, 18 months, arriving in New York on the Virginia in 1868
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M721-LMW

Possible birth registrations, one in Chester, one in Wales
DRAKE, MARY  JANE     
Mother's Maiden Surname: DEVERAUX 
GRO Reference: 1862  D Quarter in GREAT BOUGHTON  Volume 08A  Page 349

DRAKE, THERESA       
Mother's Maiden Surname: WILLIAMS 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in BANGOR  Volume 11B  Page 544

So it looks as though Mary Ann went under two surnames.
There is a catholic baptism record of Mary Jane, 18 Jan 1863, St. Werburgh's, Chester (they have written in 1862 in error I think).
Only one godparent is named, Jane Drake.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6LKF-JH

1870 US census, Oregon
Danl Drake 38 Farmer, born Ireland
Mary A Drake 27 Keeping house England
Mary J Drake 9 England
Theresa Drake 5 Wales
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6QT9-JPN?i=115

1880 in Los Angeles
Daniel now a foreman.
Mary Jane not there, Teresa is, and five more children born in Oregon and California
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBF-91YB?i=1
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 14 November 20 22:06 GMT (UK)
Daniel Drake's age in America is a bit older than that seen in England.
There is a death in Los Angeles, 17 Feb 1885, of a Daniel Drake (edited)
Age 48, married, born Ireland
Suicide by strangulation? strychnine (in newspapers in Feb 1885!)
Two images, about ten down, v. faint
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9SF-FBSM?i=85

Could that be him? :-\ (EDIT NO, but now I'm torn!)

Must be pointed out that there are anglican baptisms of some of the Dawson children in Aberystwyth.

There is very little Drake activity in Aberystwyth, Rosie has mentioned a marriage.
Two births with mother's maiden name Drake have come up, Kate Wood, Sep qtr 1866, and Mary Spooner, June qtr 1871. No idea who they are. Can't see them at all.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: jonw65 on Saturday 14 November 20 22:24 GMT (UK)
Theresa's age was out on that 1868 voyage I think.
Mary Jane Drake may have married Richard Silver in LA in 1878
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-BNTS-M?i=495

Daniel Drake, 47, born Ireland, Foreman, is on a 1886 LA electors register, having been naturalized 8 July 1884
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GT7V-NQQ

So that seems to rule out the Feb 1885 death? (it was not in 1884 as I reported originally)

Birth of Harbert (Herbert?) Drake, 21 March 1885, Alameda, California
Parents Daniel (b. Ireland), Section Foreman, and Mary A Deavarex (b. England)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XX69-14N


Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Maiden Stone on Saturday 14 November 20 23:58 GMT (UK)

Must be pointed out that there are anglican baptisms of some of the Dawson children in Aberystwyth.


Were they pre-1874/5? That's when the Catholic church in Aberystwyth was built. Our Lady and the Angels and St. Winifride. Closed 2012 and put up for sale this year.
I attended the church during a short stay in the town. 2 altar servers had the same surname as me - a surname from the west of Ireland. 
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:09 GMT (UK)
Hi
They go on right up to John Austin, bap 16 June 1886
Parents Albert Edward (plasterer) and Mary Jane Dawson. Moor Lane.

So nothing so far for Mary Jane to say she was a catholic. It could be the influence of one or other parent perhaps.
Sorry to have gone off on a tangent with Daniel. It was in the hope there might be a relative around somewhere!
John
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Dundee on Sunday 15 November 20 01:58 GMT (UK)
Two births with mother's maiden name Drake have come up, Kate Wood, Sep qtr 1866, and Mary Spooner, June qtr 1871. No idea who they are. Can't see them at all.

I couldn't find them later either and they both seem to be stand alone births.  Might be interesting to see who their mothers were.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Sunday 15 November 20 08:09 GMT (UK)
Hi
They go on right up to John Austin, bap 16 June 1886
Parents Albert Edward (plasterer) and Mary Jane Dawson. Moor Lane.

So nothing so far for Mary Jane to say she was a catholic. It could be the influence of one or other parent perhaps.
Sorry to have gone off on a tangent with Daniel. It was in the hope there might be a relative around somewhere!
John

Daniel was brilliant.
I find myself often all over the world following leads, am glad to know its "normal"

I keep finding myself looking at a glassmaker called Michael who was born in Ireland, had a daughter Mary Jane. A glass maker I think is something you're trained for and a labourer is just something you did back in those days, like heavy lifting rather than a skill so it seems unlikely that he wouldn't have put glassmaker on the banns.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Sunday 15 November 20 08:13 GMT (UK)
Church Street in the 1861 census had a lot of guest houses.
I'm wondering if the address they put in the marriage was a guest house rather than a permanent address
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Sunday 15 November 20 10:43 GMT (UK)
Thought you might be interested in Charles Kenrick Dawson's tree on familysearch

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KLXB-N15
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Kloumann on Sunday 15 November 20 10:48 GMT (UK)
Charles Dawson marriage to Martha Jones, 1841, Chester

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHCY-F8F

Added

Charles burial, Brymbo, 1845. Martha is also buried there, 1857

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC51-DCJ
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Sunday 15 November 20 12:40 GMT (UK)
Thought you might be interested in Charles Kenrick Dawson's tree on familysearch

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KLXB-N15

Excellent tree!
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: bethanjane on Sunday 15 November 20 12:44 GMT (UK)
Thought you might be interested in Charles Kenrick Dawson's tree on familysearch

https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KLXB-N15

In a rather interesting turn of events, my brother and I have different father's, but I just found my brother's GG Uncle on his Dad's line in my father's line.
Title: Re: Mary Jane Drake 1848 doesn't exist before move to Wales
Post by: Ladyhawk on Sunday 15 November 20 14:53 GMT (UK)

1851 census, Albert Dawson, Wrexham

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8Z-YCD


Charles Dawson marriage to Martha Jones, 1841, Chester

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NHCY-F8F


For info.

These appear to be the baptisms of the children from the above 1851 census and it looks as if Albert was born 1844 and baptised 1845 also Albert has middle name Henry on his baptism record and Edward on GRO birth registration   ???

Charles has middle name Kenrick on baptism and Kenneth on GRO birth registration

On ALL baptisms father named as
Charles, occ Saddler
mother named as
Martha
source Denbighshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1994

Charles Kenrick DAWSON
Baptism    14 Aug 1842 Wrexham Denbighshire

Charles Kenneth DAWSON mmn JONES
1842  S Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 27  Page 265   

Albert Henry Dawson
Bapt. 5 Jan 1845 Wrexham Denbighshire

Albert Edward DAWSON mmn JONES
1844  M Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 27  Page 310   

Mary Jane DAWSON
Bapt. 5 Jul 1846 Wrexham Denbighshire

Mary Jane DAWSON mmn JONES
1846  J Quarter in WREXHAM  Volume 27  Page 305