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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Wodgemac on Friday 13 November 20 19:45 GMT (UK)
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I'm researching my partners family tree and her Great Grandmother Megan McDonald married a William Williams in Carnarvon in 1936.
Her parents were Richard McDonald b1893 in Carnarvon and Mary Blodwen Williams born on Anglesey in 1896.
Richards parents were Maggie Morgan born c1864 in Pwllheli, Caernarvonshire and Donald McDonald born in Scotland in 1854. Married 17/08/1886 in Llanbedrog, Caernarvonshire.
There are a few trees on Ancestry, with the same family who have Donald being born in Contin Ross-shire to parents John McDonald and Isabella Mclennan...
But, how do I know if this is correct?
Just looking for marriages for John and Isabella, on Scotlands people, there are a few in Ross and Cromarty. However, there is one, - which if Donald is from Contin,- on 12/05/1848 in Contin, where John McDonald is from Alchity and isabella McLinnan is from Tarvie?
I just need to get the link to Donald being born in Contin?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you
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Have you been able to confirm Donald's father's name and occupation from Donald's 1886 marriage?
Donald died in 1920? What showed on his 1891-1911 census entries? Sometimes you get a place name rather than just Scotland.
Monica
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Hi Monica,
I haven't found him in the 1911 census. In the 1891 census and 1901 census he isn't living with Maggie... Maggie is on the 1911 census, but Donald isn't??
On the marriage record it doesn't state where he's from, but he's a groom.
On the 1881 census there's a Donald McDonald living in Achilty with his mother Isabella McDonald and two siblings Mary and Murdo. Donald is a groom...
On the marriage certificate his father John is a tailor and on the 1861 census in Achilty his father John is a tailor??
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I couldn't see him in 1911 either (that is normally one where a place name is often included) :-\
So you do have a couple of facts to work with for his family which is great. Father John a tailor and Donald showing as a groom with he married Maggie in 1886, also the same family from earlier in 1881 and matching occupation for Donald (groom).
I think apart from the 1911 census entry for him, there does look to be a likely complete set of records for him online?
1861 (which you mention) adding here for background. Everyone showing as born in Contin:
John McDonald 56 tailor
Isabella McDonald 36
Alexander McDonald 9
Donald McDonald 6
Ann McDonald 4
Mary McDonald 2
Address: Achilty, Contin
And 1881:
Isabella McDonald 55
Donald McDonald 26 groom
Mary McDonald 22
Murdo McDonald 12
Address: Achilty, Contin
Donald also called one of his children Murdo didn't he?
Monica
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In the 1851 census Aichilty, Contin we have John MacDonald age 36 (tailor, farmer) and wife Isabella age 27 both born Ross and Cromarty.
SP has a marriage 12/05/1848 Contin for John McDonald and Isabella McLinnan.
SP births/ baptisms pre 1855: in Contin to John MacDonald and Isabella MacLennan
00/10/1851 Alexander MacDonald
28/03/1854 Donald MacDonald
Post 1855 births to John MacDonald and Isabella MacLennan (from family search):
Ann MacDonald – Contin 31 Mar 1856
Mary MacDonald - Contin 21 Aug 1858
John MacDonald – Contin 3 May 1862 (died 1871 Contin)
Murdo MacDonald – Contin 14 Apr 1868
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Monica,
Yes, there is a child of Donald called Murdo...
Thanks Neale,
I have seen those.
Do you both think they are Donald's siblings?
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Yes, I believe those are Donald's siblings.
I have been looking for a death for his father John. Should be between 1867 (last child) and 1871 (census he was not in), but the only one possible in Contin does not seem to have the correct age (32 yrs).
Added:
Isabella MacLennan (age 15) is in the 1841 census for Tarvey, Contin. Parents are Donald 50 (tenant) and Mary 45, siblings John and Ann.https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155a0ff4040b9d6e6de3c2/isabel-mclennan-1841-ross-and-cromarty-contin-1826-?locale=en
?Possible birth for Isabella 23/4/1826 Lochbroom – father Donald.
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This seems a likely birth for John MacDonald (father of Donald b. 1854)
11/06/1805 Contin - parents Alexander MacDonald and Ann MacKenzie
Siblings are Donald 1797, Helen 1799, Kenneth 1802, and Alexander 1809 – all born Contin.
In the 1841 census Aichilty, Contin
John McDonald age 30 Tailor born ROC
Ann McDonald age 65 born ROC (likely the mother – Ann MacKenzie)
Helen McDonald age 30 born ROC
Alex Cameron age 5 born ROC
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155a0ff4040b9d6e6de499/john-mcdonald-1841-ross-and-cromarty-contin-1811-?locale=en
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Possible death...
1867 - MCDONALD JOHN 66
MCRAE (mms)
065/ 22 Fodderty (R & C)
Not too far from Contin
Annie
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Possible death...
1867 - MCDONALD JOHN 66
MCRAE (mms)
065/ 22 Fodderty (R & C)
Not too far from Contin
Annie
I also wondered about the 1871 death in Dingwall - also close to Contin. The age would fit.
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If McCrae was John's mother, then it rules out McKenzie for the birth in 1805?
I can't see the death of John in 1871 in Dingwall on Scotlands people:
I have a birth for Isabelle McLennan 23rd July 1823 in Contin, father Donald, mother Mary Cameron.
This is on Ancestry, I haven't checked on Scotlands people yet
Richard
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I can't see the death of John in 1871 in Dingwall on Scotlands people
His surname is spelled Macdonald not McDonald in the index.
Isabella is listed as a widow in 1871, and the household includes her son Murdo, aged 2. He was born on 14 April 1868, so John must have been alive in 1867, which eliminates quite a number of candidates. Murdo's birth certificate would further constrain the date of John's death.
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Richard, when searching on SP you can use the asterisk symbol * as a wildcard. Best to search for McDonald as M*cdonald to pick up on variants.
Monica
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Ahh, Sorry, I had forgot to change the search settings, for some reason, it reverts to exact matches only...
I've just looked at the record on SP for John McDonald dying in Dingwall, 1871, he was a widower and from what I can make out his father was Alexander McDonald but his mother is Henrietta McDonald... There is a John McDonald died in 1868 in Knockbain with a mother called McKenzie, but his age is recorded as 71?
A birth record for Isabelle McLennan 23rd July 1823, father Donald, Tarvie and Mary Cameron...
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You could check the death you have:
John MCDONALD
Age 32
Mother's maiden name MCKENZIE
1867
060/ 16
Contin
Sometimes details have been mis indexed. It is the most obvious death, ignoring that age on the index!
Monica
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Just checked the birth of Murdo and he is listed as McLennan or McDonald (illegitimate). Isabella is a widow and her aunt Mary?May McLennan is witness, but not present at birth...
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So this other death in 1863 would fit:
John MCDONALD
Age 58
Mother's maiden name MCKENZIE
1863
060/ 8
Contin
Monica
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Yes Monica, I was just looking at it.
May 4th.
It's definitely him.
Wonder who Murdo's father was??
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$mil dollar question always! Sometimes the child knew the name of reputed father and gave it to the registrar when they married or it shows on their death reg. Most of the time as you know, there will be no way of telling...
Monica
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The most likely death for Isabella is I think this one:
ISABELLA MCDONALD
Age 68
1891
060/ 1
Contin
There is no additional surname so the informant (if it is the right death) may not have known name of her parents :-\ Murdo and daughter Mary show living together in 1891.
Monica
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Just found some family trees which show Murdo marrying a Julia Macrae on 2 Aug 1906 in Carnoch. Easy enough for you to verify on SP. See www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/78298589/person/48451883365/facts
Two sons died in WW2:
1943 Duncan www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2201987/DUNCAN MacDONALD/
1945 Alistair www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2039959/ALISTAIR MacDONALD/
Some details on the tree regarding sister Mary's death in 1922 in Contin to let you follow up on that.
Monica
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Monica,
Thats the correct death of Isabella McDonald, her parents are recorded as Donald McLennan and Mary Cameron. Her son Alexander was present at death.
I will look into Murdo and his family, but how sad that two of his sons died in the war.
In the 1871 census there is no mention of Murdo living with Isabella, but there is a Hardwell Leman McDonald aged 2... could that be the same person? And is that a clue to his father's name?
The Murdo born in 1896 to Donald and Maggie Morgan emigrated to America.
I forgot to mention on Isabella McLennan's birth record, her father is Donald from Tarvie and her mother is Mary Cameron.
Richard
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Good to see progress with Isabella's parents. Thanks for posting your up-date.
Richard, more for you to follow up on …..
Ann (MacKenzie) MacDonald is still alive in the 1851 census Contin, living with grand-daughter Peggy
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155dcbf4040b9d6e72bd52/ann-macdonald-1851-ross-and-cromarty-contin-1783-?locale=en
2 possible deaths for her on SP which might give you more information about her parents, and with luck something about her husband Alexander.
060/ 19 Contin 1855 Ann MacKenzie age 77
060/ 2 Contin 1860 Ann MacKenzie age 90 (mother – Cameron)
I am thinking that the names given to her children – “Kenneth” and “Helen”, might be family names going back to Ann’s parents or Alexander’s.
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In the 1871 census there is no mention of Murdo living with Isabella, but there is a Hardwell Leman McDonald aged 2... could that be the same person? And is that a clue to his father's name?
I think that is a typical Ancestry erroneous transcription. See this version of the 1871 census attached. Unfortunately his middle name does not give any clues to his father.
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Donald MacLennan and Mary Cameron married 19/02/1819 Contin
Children (all Contin): John 1821, Isabel 1823, Mary 1825, Ann 1827
Mary (Cameron) MacLennan has died between 1841 census and 1851 census.
1851 Census Tarvie Contin
Donald MacLennan, widow 60, farmer 2 acres, born Contin
Mary MacLennan, daughter, unmarried 24, born Contin
Kenneth McDonald, son in law, 33, born Contin
Ann McDonald, daughter (wife), 21, born Contin
(I see daughter Ann married a McDonald too – a cousin of John?)
Possible death for Donald MacLennan
060/ 14 - Contin - 1869 Donald McLennan, age 80, Mmn - McIvor
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In the 1871 census there is no mention of Murdo living with Isabella, but there is a Hardwell Leman McDonald aged 2... could that be the same person? And is that a clue to his father's name?
I take it that you are using the transcription on Ancestry. According to the transcription on FindMyPast he is Murdo McLennan McDonald. You should look at the original to see which is correct (if either) but my money's on Ancestry being wrong.
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Yes the census for Hardwell Leman McDonald was on ancestry... Pretty terrible really...
I have found a death on SP for Ann McDonald, - nee McKenzie - living in Fodderty, aged 86 widow to a crofter. Father Alexander, crofter. Mother Margaret - nee McKenzie, is it possible it's the right one?
I'm currently looking into the other info Neale1961 gave me for Donald McLennan.
Thank you
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Just checked the death for Donald McLennan that Neale1961 found.
It say's he was married to Mary McDonald and it looks like she is still alive at his death.
I tried to upload the certificate, but itsays it's too large...
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I have found a death on SP for Ann McDonald, - nee McKenzie - living in Fodderty, aged 86 widow to a crofter. Father Alexander, crofter. Mother Margaret - nee McKenzie, is it possible it's the right one?
Who is the informant? How does her age compare with that in 1841 and 1851 census?
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Just checked the death for Donald McLennan that Neale1961 found.
It say's he was married to Mary McDonald and it looks like she is still alive at his death.
I tried to upload the certificate, but itsays it's too large...
Mmmmm.... Who was the informant?
I wonder, did he remarry? - there is a marriage in 1855...???
MACLENNAN DONALD to MACDONALD MARY
1855 Contin 060/ 3
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Struggling to read the marriage record of Donald Mclennan and Mary McDonald in 1855, but it looks like the same Donald who died in 1869.
His father is Roderick?? but his mother is Catherine Campbell, rather than Catherine McIvor.
Donald is aged 80 in 1869 and 65 at the wedding to Mary McDonald.
The informant on his death was Mary Mclennan widow...
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Can you please give absolutely ALL the detail from ALL those documents including address/ location; witnesses, dates, informant's names and so on.
You can ask Scotlands People for a better quality scan. If they cannot help, you may get a credit refund, so in either case it is worth asking.
I am inclined to think that all the documents are for the same Donald McLennan, and possibly the correct man, as the ages fit. But …
Was he a widower on his 1855 marriage? Did you find him in the 1861 census – what address? Does the address “Tarvie” from 1841 and 1851 census come up again? Are the witnesses known names?
Is there any useful information from his marriage record in 1819 to Mary Cameron?
It is possible that the detail on his death certificate, is as good as his widow’s minimal knowledge.
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Donald McLennan married Mary Cameron 19th Feb 1819 both of Tarvie.
(There are two other Donald McLennan marriages one in 1817 in Keighlochnanchran in Strathconan? to a Mary McGregor, the other in 1818 in Strathconan to Peggy McKenzie. They do pop up in later census).
1841 census Tarvey
Donald McLennan 50 Tenant
Mary wife 45
John son 15 Ag lab
Isabel daug 15
Ann daug 13
1851 census Tarvie Aichilty district
Donald McLennan 60 widow Farmer 2 acres born in Contin
Mary 26 Daughter
Kenneth McDonald 33 Ag lab son in law
Ann 21 Daughter
1861 census Contin Bunonbrath?
Donald McClennan 73 formerly ag lab born in Contin
Mary wife 50 born in Fodderty
Church of Scotland Wedding on 6th March 1855 between Donald Mclennan, 65 Labourer, born in Bachachlan...? Contin widow second marriage, living in Drummonach, Strathconan and Mary McDonald, 47, domestic servant, spinster of Fodderty.
Two witness's, both look like James McDonald?
Donald's parents are Roderick a farmer and Catherine Campbell.
Mary's parents are Donald and Catherine nee McDonald
Donald McLennan is listed as having 5 children living and one dead.
Death of Donald Mclennan, 80, on 13th June 1869 at Drumonriach, Strathconan, a general labourer married to Mary McDonald. Father Roderick, mother Catherine McIvor. Mary Mclennan (widow) was the witness.
It does all look like the same person, apart from the discrepancy with his mothers maiden name.
Hope this is all clear for you.
I have tried to decipher the place names as best as I can, but I'm not really clued up on the small places around the area. (my cousin did live in Strathpeffer, so I do have a basic knowledge of the area...
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I can't find a death for Mary McLennan, nee Cameron between 1841 and 1851
I've been wondering.
Why would somebody move from the North East of Scotland to Anglesey in the mid 19th century?
I can see John McDonald's father was a tailor and so was Isabella McLennan's. Would there have been some sort of tailors convention in those days??
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Discovered this on wikipedia?? I know it's not the most accurate site to do research, but has anybody heard of this?
If it's true, it could explain why Donald's mum is Campbell and McIvor!!
In June, 1564, at Dunoon, in an agreement between Iver MacIver of Lergachonzie, and Archibald Campbell, 5th Earl of Argyll, the earl renounced all calps from those of the name MacIver, in return for a sum of money, though the Earl reserved the calp of Iver MacIver and his successors. According to Campbell of Airds, it would seem that dating from this agreement many MacIvers began using the name Campbell or MacIver-Campbell.[4]
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Keighlochnanchran in Strathconan?
1861 census Contin Bunonbrath?
Bachachlan...?
Drummonach, Strathconan
Drumonriach, Strathconan
Could you maybe post the extracts showing those places so we can have a go at finding them?
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I think this is one of them - Dromanriach.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.56144&lon=-4.74793&layers=5&b=1
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I think this is one of them - Dromanriach.
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.56144&lon=-4.74793&layers=5&b=1
Droman Ri-ach - more information
https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/ross-and-cromarty-os-name-books-1848-1852/ross-and-cromarty-mainland-volume-44/13
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I can't find a death for Mary McLennan, nee Cameron between 1841 and 1851
Any record would be a church burial, and often there just isn't any record. This seems to be the case for Mary Cameron.
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Why would somebody move from the North East of Scotland to Anglesey in the mid 19th century?
I can see John McDonald's father was a tailor and so was Isabella McLennan's. Would there have been some sort of tailors convention in those days??
A lot of Scots were displaced or forced off their land during the "highland clearances".
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Discovered this on wikipedia?? I know it's not the most accurate site to do research, but has anybody heard of this?
If it's true, it could explain why Donald's mum is Campbell and McIvor!!
In June, 1564, at Dunoon, in an agreement between Iver MacIver of Lergachonzie, and Archibald Campbell, 5th Earl of Argyll, the earl renounced all calps from those of the name MacIver, in return for a sum of money, though the Earl reserved the calp of Iver MacIver and his successors. According to Campbell of Airds, it would seem that dating from this agreement many MacIvers began using the name Campbell or MacIver-Campbell.[4]
The more likely reason is that Catherine (Campbell) MacLennan married a second time to a Mr. McIvor. Donald's widow didn't know her mother-in-laws maiden name, as she had known her as Mrs. McIvor.
I am still exploring this theory - and I have a couple of possible leads - will let you know if I find something .
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Donald's death record 1869
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Donald and Mary McLennan in 1861 Contin... Think it's a street name as they are numbered...
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Donald and Mary McLennan in 1861 Contin... Think it's a street name as they are numbered...
No, 44 is not a street number. It's the number of the schedule, or in other words it's the 44th household in the enumeration book.
The writing is clear enough, but I have no idea where Bunantrath is.
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Donald McLennan's marriage to Mary McDonald in 1854
(I've had to split it into two because it is too big to attach. So this is the first half of the page
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Here is the second half of Donald's marriage to Mary McDonald in 1855
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"Two witness's, both look like James McDonald?"
The 2nd witness is Peter MacIntyre
Annie
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Looking on the map, it looks like Strathconon was obviously a landowners estate and Donald was a tenant on there. I wonder if the Strathconon Inn is still there??
There is a place called Clachnahannaite, in the names book. Could that be what I thought was Bachachlan...??
I thought the clearances would've ended before Donald McDonald moved down between 1881 and 1891?
It's really interesting to see the map and places, gives a bit of perspective, thank you
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First, it's not two James Macdonalds. It's one James Macdonald who can write his own name, witnessing first the 'x' made by Donald Maclennan, who is unable to write, second the 'x' made by Mary Macdonald who is also unable to write, and third the actual ceremony. The second witness to all three is Peter Macintyre.
Donald was 'born but not registered in 1790 at Bealach an .... , Contin' and lived at Drommanreoch. Bealach is Gaelic for a pass and an means 'of the', so it's Pass of .... but I've looked at the indexes for all the Ordnance Survey Name Books that include Contin and I can't find a likely-looking Bealach. Have a look for yourself at https://scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/ordnance-survey-name-books/ross-and-cromarty-os-name-books-1848-1852
Mary was 'born district, registered in 1808 at Miltown, Fodderty'. She lived at Ulladal, Fodderty.
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Ahh, I see, they've signed it twice then, once next to each name, to witness each signature. I didn't realise they had to do that...I couldn't make out Peter McIntyre, I could only make out two signatures to James Macdonald...
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Forfarian,
Just checked the name books and just like you I can't find anything to match it...
Thank you, though, it's very interesting reading how they named the places.
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It may be worth paying for the original pages before & after your page on SP which will hopefully include other place names to help work out what the name should be & where?
I had wondered if 'Bunantrath' had been some place ending in Tuath rather than 'trath' & written down wrong?
Tuath meaning north.
Annie
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I was wondering as I was trying to fall asleep last night if Bunantrath was an anglicisation of bun an-t-strath, meaning 'the foot of the strath'.
There's a precedent for the s being lost in the place name Tomintoul which is from tom an-t-sabhail (which means 'hillock of the barn').
If so, it may not be in Strath Conon.
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Would there have been some sort of tailors convention in those days??
Extremely unlikely.
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Just been talking to my cousin, who used to live close by, he doesn't know it, but he was thinking it should be Bunanstrath...
He also said the clearance for Strathconon was 1841 to 1848.
It got my vivid imagination running...
Could that have had anything to do with May McLennan, nee Cameron's death??
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Trying to find Bunan(s)trath.
I noted that Donald, 73, and Mary are on Page 10 of the enumeration book for Enumeration district 4.
I went to SP, searched for all people named John in Contin in 1861, and noted down the names, ages and page of the enumeration book for all those listed in ED 4. Then I did the same for all those named Donald, and all those named Alexander.
This gave me a list of all the Johns, Donalds and Alexanders from which I was able to extract those enumerated on pages 8 to 12 of ED4.
I then compared those people to the FindMyPast transcription, and noted the place names where they lived.
Page 8: Balnault - this is on the south bank of the River Meig opposite Dromanriach
Page 9: Balnault
Page 10: Bunantrath (at least 3 households); Dromanguish
Page 11: Achlorachan - on the north side of the River Meig a mile or so upriver from Dromanriach
Page 12: Blackburn, Glacour - Glacour is on the soth side of the River Meig opposite Achlorachan
I also looked in FreeCEN and 'walked' ED11 in 1851, which included Caoran, Balnault, Glacgour, Cranich, Balnacraig, Drumfearn, Achlorachan, and Dromanreoch, and ED 5 in 1841, containing Kirin, Feurnoch, Dromanriach, Balnuilt, Glackour, Dromanbui, Achlorichan, and Druinfearn. Finally I looked at the LDS CD-ROM of the 1881 census, which lists among other places in ED 2 Courin, Balnault, Glachour, Auchlorachan, Drumanreauch, Drumfearn and Cranich.
The 1855 valuation roll lists James M Balfour as proprietor of, among others, Achlorachan, Carin, Drumonrioch, Balnuilt, Glackirir and Crannich. The National Records of Scotland holds, among other things, papers relating to the sale of the estate of Strathconon, in parish of Contin, Ross-shire, reference GD433/1/242. GD433 is the papers of the Balfour family of Whittingehame, East Lothian, Earls of Balfour, and there are other items in it relating to Strathconan. The sale must have been between 1885, when Arthur James Balfour is listed as proprietor in the VR, and 1895 when the proprietor is Richard Henry Combe.
So I am coming to the conclusion that Bunan(s)trath may be an alternative name for some of the crofts shown on the map at or near Dr*m*nr*ch, but not separately named. If you could track down an estate map in the Balfour papers it might shed some light.
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Yes, you could be right. I have been scouring the georeferenced map you attached and I can't find it anywhere.
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I purchased the previous page like you suggested Anni and here is the previous page to the 1861 census the numbers are consecutive, but the name has changed. Could this be the next plot to Bunantrath??
Balnaut, which is in the list you provided Forfarian
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Since we now know that Donald McLennan was born 1790, it is fair to assume his mother Catherine was born approx.1760-1770
Catherine’s maiden surname on her son’s marriage in 1855 was CAMPBELL; but on the same son’s death in 1869 was McIVOR. I think McIvor is possibly an error. However …..
As Donald lived to a good old age, I wondered if his mother may have also. The following death records caught my attention. The ones in Lochbroom seem less likely to me, while the Fodderty record is not for Campbell. So none really fit the bill very well.
1859 Fodderty 065/29 Catherine McLennan age 87, Mmn McLennan
1859 Lochbroom 075/1 24 Catherine Campbell age 91, Mmn MacLennan
1861 Lochbroom 075/1 49 Catherine Campbell age 83
1860 Lochbroom 075/1 31 Catherine McIver, age 95
If we speculate that Catherine (Campbell) MacLennan had a second marriage to Mr. McIvor. Then the only records I could find of a McIvor marrying a possible Catherine would be these.
Duncan McIver / McIvor marriage/ banns to Catherine McLennan 12/12/1846 Fodderty; and 22/12/1846 Contin
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John McIver/ MacIvar marriage/ banns to Catherine McLennan 23/02/1845 Fodderty; and 4/3/1845 Knockbain
But, in the 1851 census NO Catherine McIvor / McIver (of the correct age) is found in likely parishes. So do we assume she died between marriage and the 1851 census? - No burial records found.
In the 1851 census, there is Duncan McIvor, widow age 75, pauper, once a farmer, living in Cranich, Contin. https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a155dcef4040b9d6e72c383/duncan-mcivor-1851-ross-and-cromarty-contin-1776-?locale=en
Duncan’s age would fit with a marriage at 70 yrs to a woman of similar age. I could not find Duncan in the 1841 census.
Of the second possible marriage with John McIver, 1851 census results do not yield encouraging results in the correct age group and place.
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1859 Fodderty 065/29 Catherine McLennan age 87, Mmn McLennan
1859 Lochbroom 075/1 24 Catherine Campbell age 91, Mmn MacLennan
1861 Lochbroom 075/1 49 Catherine Campbell age 83
1860 Lochbroom 075/1 31 Catherine McIver, age 95
You do know that you can search on both maiden and married surnames?
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You do know that you can search on both maiden and married surnames?
Yes.
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Thanks Neale,
So it isn't looking good for Catherine Campbell/McIvor...
There are a few trees on ancestry who have her down as both names, but obviously they could be wrong...
Think I'm going to take a trip up to the area in the Spring, covid permitting and visit my cousin, then have a good recce of the places...
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Feeling stupid - the 1855 marriage certificate says that both of Donald's parents are deceased. So unless his mother died between 1 January 1855 and 6 March 1855 there's not going to be a death certificate.
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Have you used this site?
http://www.rosscromartyroots.co.uk/index.asp?pageid=63476
Annie
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So when you hit a wall like that, where there are no records, is that it?
Are there any other options? Visiting churches?
Annie, I will have a look on that site,
Thank you
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So when you hit a wall like that, where there are no records, is that it?
In many cases, yes.
Visiting churches?
Don't bother. All the surviving pre-1855 registers of the Church of Scotland were collected in 1855 by the Registrar General, and that is what makes up the Church of Scotland records on Scotland's People. The Catholic and assorted dissenting churches' registers make up the rest of the information on SP. Very, very few churches still hold their own pre-1855 registers.
There could be an occasional register that has escaped the net, but it's much more likely that the record of the event you can't find has just not survived. Especially death records, because deaths often just weren't recorded.
There are a few other sources, but mostly you only find records of people who were important or who owned land.
It'll be interesting to see if Ross and Cromarty Roots can suggest anything.
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I am new to Rootschat,so please forgive me if I make mistakes! Donald McDonald, who was born in Contin, Ross-shire in 1854 was my (half) great uncle. He went to work as a groom to the Angerstein family in Wales and married Margaret Morgan there. His youngest (half) brother was my grandfather Murdo Maclennan MacDonald. Murdo was an illegitimate child born to Isabella several years after the death of her husband John MacDonald, the tailor in Contin. If anybody sees this message, I won't be able to reply immediately because I'm going away for a few days.
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Rossal, welcome to Rootschat, this site lists the tenants on Fairburn estate, next door to Contin so you might be lucky and find a connection.
https://fairburn-estate.co.uk/?page_id=203
Bests,
Skoosh.
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Hi Rossal,
Thank you for your message. It's my wife's side of the tree and we intend to pay a visit to the area once everything has settled down.
I have gone slightly farther back with John McDonald and Isabella Mclennan, so if you want to know anymore, please let me know.
Kind regards
Richard