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Title: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Saturday 14 November 20 22:21 GMT (UK)
in paperspast I came across at Pahi Kaipaia NZ Marriage 1899 October 26 of Joyce, Annie eldest daughter of William Joyce and
granddaughter of the late  James Joyce of Drumlin Hill,  County Armagh Ireland.
The groom Thomas Herbert Barwell youngest son of  William Harrison Barwell
I am wondering if anyone has an interest in this family and what other information has
been compiled. I have a long standing interest of any Joyce Family especially of Drumlin Hill.
Would William Joyce have relocated to NZ due ti property being more easily accessible? This would be a very long ways from home.
Appreciate the quality and kindliness of the Rootchat forum

Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Saturday 14 November 20 23:46 GMT (UK)
I have no (known) connection to the family. Do you have these snippets?

A daughter of the same William Joyce in 1899?…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18991110.2.41?end_date=31-12-1916&items_per_page=10&page=9&phrase=2&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1899

Another report of Annie’s marriage:


https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TO18991021.2.42?end_date=31-12-1916&items_per_page=10&page=11&phrase=2&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1899


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:00 GMT (UK)
Death

1903/6964   Joyce   William   60Y

You can order the death printout as a PDF here

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults

Probated will. He is a police Constable

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE48828977
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:02 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage of William.

1874/10126   Eden   Sawyer   William   Joyce

(A year too soon for the detailed version of marriage certs here)  :(
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 00:03 GMT (UK)
Annie’s death in 1930….

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19300828.2.2.3?end_date=31-12-1950&query=william+joyce+pahi&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1911

1935/21698   Joyce   Eden Harriet   80Y

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19351104.2.6?end_date=31-12-1935&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=eden+harriet&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1935


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:05 GMT (UK)
Children

Registration Number   Family Name   Given Name(s)   Mother's Given Name(s)   Father's Given Name(s)   

1875/5657   Joyce   James Stewart   Eden   William   
1876/16845   Joyce   William Sawyer   Eden   William   
1878/11452   Joyce   Leonard Valentine   Eden   William   
1880/4451   Joyce   Annie   Eden Harriet   William
1882/1945   Joyce   Eden Harriett   Eden Harriett   William   
1883/15173   Joyce   Amie Elizabeth   Eden Harriett   William   
1885/5748   Joyce   May   Eden Harriett   William   
1886/11987   Joyce   Henry Augustus   Eden Harriet   William   
1889/15987   Joyce   Eva Mary Ann   Eden Harriet   William
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:09 GMT (UK)
If William Joyce was a PC, my mind goes to the Army. 
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 00:09 GMT (UK)
Daughter's teacher examination in 1903.......

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19030314.2.59?end_date=31-12-1903&items_per_page=10&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1903&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG%2cNZABIG%2cNA


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:10 GMT (UK)
Sensational death. Sudden death of a Policeman

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19030926.2.31?end_date=31-12-1930&items_per_page=10&query=Joyce+pahi&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839&title=AS%2cNZABIG%2cNA
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:14 GMT (UK)
Minnihaha, do you think there was more than one “Constable Joyce”?

One in The Coromandel, and the one at Pahi.

Modified, no it’s the same man. Posted to Pahi 1895.

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS18951120.2.15.7?end_date=31-12-1930&items_per_page=10&page=8&query=Constable+Joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839&title=AS%2cNZABIG%2cNA
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 00:20 GMT (UK)
An additional snippet about the 1903 death:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PBH19030928.2.21?end_date=31-12-1903&items_per_page=10&query=william+joyce+pahi&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1903

Hi Mckha  :)

Where did you find reference to the Coromandel?

Added: I have now read your addition to the post...... ;D

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:23 GMT (UK)
I have modified my previous post, as he was the same man. but if you look in papers past with “Constable Joyce” as the search term, there are a lot of mentions  in Tairua.
He fell off a horse and was badly injured.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:27 GMT (UK)
Definitely in Tairua from 1880. Possible mentions Auckland 1877 and Opotiki 1878
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Sunday 15 November 20 00:41 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much Mckha489 and minniehaha....you are both so amazing
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 00:43 GMT (UK)
Perhaps someone could look at this book for you to see if he was here with the Army.
I don’t have immediate access to it.

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collections-research/collections/record/am_library-catalogq40-2469
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 01:04 GMT (UK)
Cemetery Record for Eden Harriett Joyce
Date of birth
Unknown

Date of death
2 November 1935

Age at death
80 years

Gender
Female

Region
West

Cemetery name
Waikumete Cemetery

Plot location
Waikumete Cemetery, Columbarium Niche Wall Vlt, Row Vlt, Plot 0Vl

Remains type
Ash

Date of cremation
4 November 1935

Date of burial
2 November 1935

Funeral director
Watney Sibuns And Sons Limited


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 01:09 GMT (UK)
BTW for your future searches. it is KAIPARA not Kaipaia.     

Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 01:13 GMT (UK)
Cemetery details for William Joyce and a family member...

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173459378/william-joyce


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 01:29 GMT (UK)
Cemetery record for Annie Barwell:

[1 of 2]
Name   BARWELL, ANNIE
Details   F: Died 27-08-1930: Aged 50:
Place   Hillsborough
Location   Area 4 Block O Lot No 547
Remarks   1980s transcribed inscription reads ' In loving memory of Annie beloved wife of T H Barwell died 27 Aug 1930 Also her beloved husband Thomas Herbert Barwell died 10 Nov 1951" (Bouskill)
Information   
Officiating   
NZSG map   
Trans number   
    
[2 of 2]
Name   BARWELL, ANNIE
Details   F: Died 27-08-1930: Aged 50: Cause of death - pulmonary thrombosis: Date of burial - 28 Aug 1930
Place   Hillsborough
Location   Area 4 Block O Lot No 547
Remarks   Headstone: Yes
Information   Occuptation - married: Residence - 17 Ewington Ave, Mt Eden: Anglican: Native place - NZ: Last from NZ: Years in NZ - 50
Officiating   Officiating Clergy - Rev Harvie: Informant - W Sibun
NZSG map   A4 R19
Trans number   1799


Minniehaha.
    
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 01:40 GMT (UK)
Barwell issue (to NZ BDM cut off date):

1900/5818   Barwell   Douglas Elsam   Annie   Thomas Herbert
1905/9418   Barwell   Joyce Alice   Annie   Thomas Herbert      
1910/18974   Barwell   Jean Frances Eden   Annie   Thomas Herbert   

Marriage:
1928/7309   Dorothy Ethel   Dennis   Douglas Elsam   Barwell

1930/1284   Joyce Alice   Barwell   Walter Armstrong   Fathers

1932/10653   Jean Frances Eden   Barwell   Desmond Bailey   Skinner

Death:

1975/55092   Fathers   Joyce Alice   15 November 1904

1979/40700   Skinner   Jean Frances Eden   18 June 1910

1993/35271   Barwell   Douglas Elsam   30 August 1900


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 01:59 GMT (UK)
WW1 file- Henry Augustus Joyce:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=18054998&digital=yes

Royal NZ Artillery file- William Sawyer Joyce:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=21099127&digital=yes

Estate papers - Leonard Valentine Joyce:**

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZS-QWY6?i=296&wc=4B25-NM7%3A1045247701%2C1590062739&cc=1865481


**Not the son of William Joyce.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 15 November 20 02:54 GMT (UK)
Perhaps someone could look at this book for you to see if he was here with the Army.
I don’t have immediate access to it.

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/collections-research/collections/record/am_library-catalogq40-2469

Can only see a James and a John Joyce taken from the CD.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 03:46 GMT (UK)
Thanks KHP. But Bother!

anyway, here he is being gazetted as Gaoler at Opotiki 2 June 1877

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18770602.2.12?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=constable+william+joyce&snippet=true

Ranger under the 1873 Animal Protections Act for the province of Auckland. Also June 1877

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18770606.2.12?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=constable+william+joyce&snippet=true


Mona Lisa - FYI  the Province of Auckland extended,  then, right down to lake Taupo and in a horizontal line across the whole North Island
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Sunday 15 November 20 04:06 GMT (UK)
Tip of the hat.....outstanding
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:36 GMT (UK)
1871. Transferred to Tauranga

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24407100

Rootschatter Spades may  be able to look at this document for you.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:39 GMT (UK)
In 1870 Lieut Col LYON. (Mentioned in the above link) was in charge of a battalion formed of various volunteer bodies

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DSC18700401.2.27?items_per_page=10&query=Lieutenant+colonel+lyon&snippet=true
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Sunday 15 November 20 04:40 GMT (UK)
Mckha, it might pay to alert Spades to the thread, in case he misses it, especially if it is a few pages in.  Saves having to start a new thread.  I've done it before.


Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:49 GMT (UK)
Mckha, it might pay to alert Spades to the thread, in case he misses it, especially if it is a few pages in.  Saves having to start a new thread.  I've done it before.


Cheers
KHP

Done  :)
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:58 GMT (UK)
Death

1903/6964   Joyce   William   60Y

You can order the death printout as a PDF here

https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Search/Search?Path=querySubmit.m%3fReportName%3dDeathSearch%26recordsPP%3d30#SearchResults

Probated will. He is a police Constable

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE48828977

I don’t think anyone has said yet, but this cert/printout should say how long he had been in the colony.  Assuming Eden knew that answer.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 05:04 GMT (UK)
Hand writing of William Joyce

William Joyce, Constable, Tairua - Thomas Driffell - report on investigation re alleged smuggling at Slipper Island

https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE41079721
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 05:47 GMT (UK)
William: Referred to as being 'very old' in 1874.... ???

Marrying without leave:

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NOT18741107.2.5?end_date=31-12-1874&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839&type=ARTICLE

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/HBT18741113.2.4?end_date=31-12-1874&items_per_page=10&page=3&phrase=2&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839&type=ARTICLE

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18741020.2.9?end_date=31-12-1874&items_per_page=10&page=3&phrase=2&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839&type=ARTICLE


Minniehaha.

Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 05:56 GMT (UK)
Was just about to post this re the Armed Constabulary for Mona Lisa’s benefit.  See the very last sentence.

https://teara.govt.nz/en/1966/defence-armed-services-army-new-zealand/page-3

Good finds Minniehaha. I had been thinking there should be something about his marriage!
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 06:02 GMT (UK)
This may be William's arrival in New Zealand....

Per Ganges 1863…

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18631013.2.7?end_date=31-12-1874&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=william+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1839&type=ARTICLE

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 06:18 GMT (UK)
I hope you have a FindMyPast sub

Journal of a Voyage to New Zealand in ship “Ganges”

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000060%2f18640116%2f029&stringtohighlight=voyage%20of%20the%20ganges
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 06:51 GMT (UK)
Just to clarify (there were two of the same name but different parents):

Births:
1909/2156   Joyce   Leonard Valentine **   Ethel Blanche   James Stewart

1878/11452   Joyce   Leonard Valentine ...  Eden   William 

Deaths:

1951/18462   Joyce   Leonard Valentine   41Y   **

1898/6342   Joyce   Leonard Valentine ...   19Y   

1898 death notice:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18980318.2.69.22?end_date=31-12-1898&items_per_page=10&query=leonard+valentine+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1898

See replies #17 & 20.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 07:56 GMT (UK)
Death notice for William Joyce [1903].....

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH19031007.2.2.3?items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=e.+h.+joyce&snippet=true

Petition by widow for a pension [1904]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19040730.2.9?items_per_page=10&page=3&phrase=2&query=e.+h.+joyce&snippet=true

Barwell wedding [1930]…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19300110.2.122.4?items_per_page=10&page=5&phrase=2&query=e.+h.+joyce&snippet=true

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: Lucy2 on Sunday 15 November 20 09:41 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage of William.

1874/10126   Eden   Sawyer   William   Joyce

(A year too soon for the detailed version of marriage certs here)  :(

Did you mean "detailed version containing parental details of the parties" on marriage registration ??  ;)    If so, this didn't occur until October 1880.     :)

     ~ Lu
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 15 November 20 09:48 GMT (UK)
Possible marriage of William.

1874/10126   Eden   Sawyer   William   Joyce

(A year too soon for the detailed version of marriage certs here)  :(

Did you mean "detailed version containing parental details of the parties" on marriage registration ??  ;)    If so, this didn't occur until October 1880.     :)

     ~ Lu

I did.   ;)  But it’s the births and deaths that were 1875.  Idiot. (Me)
Anyway, still too early.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 17:05 GMT (UK)
As already mentioned, your best option to obtain the early details about William would be to purchase a printout* of his death registration. Of course it does depend on the knowledge of the informant for these.

Here is a list of the data collected at the time of registration in 1903......

When and where died
Name and surname
Rank or profession or occupation
Sex and Age
Detail of Death

Cause of death
Duration of last illness
Medical attendant who certified the cause of death and when they last saw the deceased
Parents

Name and Surname of father
Name and if known maiden surname of mother
Rank or profession or occupation of father
Burial Details

When and where buried
Name and Religion of Minister or name of witness of burial
Birth Details

Where born
How long in New Zealand
Marriage Details

Where married
At what age married
Children
If living issue, the number, age and sex
To whom married
Informant

Signature, description and residence of informant
If the entry is a correction of a former entry signature of witnesses
Who witnessed the correction.
Registrar

Signature of registrar
Date of registration

*A printout is cheaper, may contain more information than a certificate and can be e-mailed to you.

Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Sunday 15 November 20 18:00 GMT (UK)
William's wife arrived in New Zealand per the Bombay in 1865....

Gathering of old identities [1915]

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/PWT19150319.2.13.1?end_date=31-12-1950&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=+e.+h.+joyce&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1904&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG

Voyage of the Bombay 1864- 5…..

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18650320.2.15?end_date=31-03-1865&items_per_page=10&phrase=2&query=bombay&snippet=true&start_date=01-03-1865&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG

Passenger list:- One records "Helen" and the other "Ellen" Sawyer. This was Eden?

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZ18650320.2.3?end_date=31-03-1865&items_per_page=10&page=2&phrase=2&query=bombay&snippet=true&start_date=01-03-1865&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG&type=ARTICLE

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZH18650331.2.40?end_date=31-03-1865&items_per_page=10&page=9&phrase=2&query=bombay&snippet=true&start_date=01-03-1865&title=ALG%2cACNZC%2cAS%2cAKTIM%2cDSC%2cFRTIM%2cKWE%2cNZH%2cNZHAG%2cNZ%2cTO%2cPWT%2cROTWKG&type=ARTICLE


Minniehaha.

Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Sunday 15 November 20 18:03 GMT (UK)
What a "treasure trove" I have woken up to! Thank you minniehaha,Mckha489,Lucy2,kiwihalfpint for your generosity in going the "extra mile".
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Wednesday 18 November 20 00:30 GMT (UK)
Hi Mona Lisa,

I have an image of this one page file for you.

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=24407100

If you send me a PM with your email address I'll forward it to you.

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Wednesday 18 November 20 03:06 GMT (UK)
done     thank you
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Wednesday 18 November 20 03:39 GMT (UK)
Images sent.

By the way, Mona Lisa, there is a Police Staff Register, 1851-1943, now digitized and available to view.

Search Archway for 'police staff register'. It appears at the bottom of the results page.
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/

Staff Register - 22 July 1861 - c.27 July 1943 [previously used as Dunedin Police Station - Charge Book, 1851-1861] (R10367013)

Spades

Addendum: Interesting. While the file has been digitized it is not available for public research.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Wednesday 18 November 20 03:54 GMT (UK)
Hmmm, maybe this one instead.

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=18518291

I recall years ago ordering a police staff register for my own research which subsequently became Restricted. I wonder if the file above might be the same one. It was a goldmine of information.

If you want me to order it let me know,

Spades

 
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Thursday 19 November 20 00:15 GMT (UK)
129 years later who'd have thought ,a very interesting read ...thank you spades for sending this on
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 19 November 20 02:37 GMT (UK)
Did it throw any light on how he came to be here? Etc?
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Thursday 19 November 20 18:51 GMT (UK)
He seems to be an interesting character...even tho his superior was against his request for the
transfer...Constable Joyce still persisted in "demanding" it..and shows that he was in New Zealand 1869. Another article had him dismissed from the Constabulary as he had married without the permission of his superiors. The expression of "no flies on him", comes to mind.

p.s. Constable William Joyce was quickly re - instated
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 19 November 20 19:13 GMT (UK)
Thanks.
I hoped it might say what regiment he had been in.
An interesting chap though. It is always interesting to be able to traverse a few decades with someone like him.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Thursday 19 November 20 21:21 GMT (UK)
Hi Mona Lisa,

There are two entries for a William JOYCE on the New Zealand Militia and Armed Constabulary database, one a Militia entry, the other for the Armed Constabulary.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/armedconstab/armedconstabulary.html

Both appear to be for the same individual but give a different vessel and year of arrival (one of which is Ganges!)

Do you think he is a candidate?

Spades

Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Thursday 19 November 20 21:25 GMT (UK)
Just checked my copy of Stowers' New Zealand Medal to Colonials and William George JOYCE appears, having been awarded the medal.

I can send you a transcription if you think it might be him.

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Thursday 19 November 20 22:35 GMT (UK)
think it might be
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Friday 20 November 20 00:13 GMT (UK)
Hi again,

Here's the entry, my apologies for the messy format:

New Zealand Medal to Colonials. Detailed medal rolls of officers and men in colonial units who received the New Zealand Medal for service in the New Zealand Wars 1845-1872. (10th ed.) Stowers, 2010.
p.58
Unit:                          Mauku Rifles
Name:                  JOYCE, William George
Rank:                  -
Where joined unit and period of service:    -
Rank & period of service with other units:   also 3rd Waikato Militia; Constable, 1st Division, Armed
                                                           Constabulary (26 Dec 1868-7 Mar 1872); Auckland Police.
Address at time of medal claim:         Grahamstown
Actions:               Titi Hill, Mauku 23 Oct 1863
Date & place of Birth:            1839, Armagh
Career (on enlistment):            -
Date of death:               -
Ship travelled to New Zealand:         -      
Year of Gazette notice:            Gazette 1871
AD36/3 or Medal Register number:      1181
Archives NZ file reference:         AD32/3251
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Friday 20 November 20 00:21 GMT (UK)
Righto!

Assuming that we have the right man I have found two Maori War series files on Archway (these will be applications for the New Zealand Medal), one for William JOYCE, the other for William George JOYCE.

I have also found the Coroner's file for your man's death in 1903.

Would you like me to get images of the files, linked below?

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23698387
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22350646
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22350647

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 20 November 20 02:58 GMT (UK)
Just to expand on your link @ reply #49 Spades......


NZ Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary of New Zealand 1863-1871
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Armed Constabulary/Militia   Militia
Name   JOYCE, William
Place of birth   Carnily ?
Tribe/County/Country   Down
Year of birth   1835
Regiment no.   481
Militia/Volunteers   3rd Waikato Regiment(Commissariat Transport Corps)
Service commenced   11.10.1863
Subsequent service   1st Division Armed Constabulary
Land grants   Cambridge West 132
Joined at   Auckland
Previous service   Mauku Forest Rifle
Ship of arrival   Ganges '63
Record ID   8890
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NZ Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary of New Zealand 1863-1871
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Armed Constabulary/Militia   Armed Constabulary
Name   JOYCE, William George
Place of birth   Cornily
Tribe/County/Country   Down
Year of birth   c.1839
Armed Constabulary Division   1
Service commenced   8.12.1868
Additional career note   Armed Constabulary Auckland Police
Joined at   Melbourne
Previous service   Mauku Forest Rifle Volunteers 3rd Waikato Regiment Commissariat Transport Corps
Former occupation   Farmer
Ship of arrival   Gottenberg 1868
Record ID   1430


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Friday 20 November 20 07:52 GMT (UK)
Hi Mona Lisa,

Thanks Minniehaha for posting the two transcriptions.

I should perhaps explain the context of the entries above based on my knowledge.

William JOYCE emigrated alone from London to Auckland, NZ per Ganges, arriving on 12 October 1863.
http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~shipstonz/genealogy/PassLists/ganges1863.html

My interpretation of the first record above is that William immediately enlisted (the record states 11 October 1863 (sic), so one record is incorrect) in the Mauku Rifles and saw action at Titi Hill-Mauku within two weeks of arriving! After this he joined the 3rd Waikato Regiment (a mumber of men were seconded from this unit to the Commissariat Transport Corps to assist with logistics/supply). He was subsequently awarded a Land Grant at Cambridge.

He then went 'over the ditch', as we say here, to Australia, because that second record shows that in December 1868 he attested for the New Zealand Armed Constabulary at Melbourne and then travelled to New Zealand (with other recruits) per Gothenburg.

He subsequently served with the Auckland Police.

As it happens, I have transcribed the passenger list of the Gothenburg and have it here.

William JOYCE attested for the Armed Constabulary on 26 December 1868 at Melbourne. He was a farmer born at Co. Armagh, aged 29 and 5' 10" in height. He served in the 3rd Waikato Regiment from 1863-1866 inclusive (from my wider reading taking their discharge after three years was common and I suspect that it signalled the end of their contracted period of service).

See next post for some background information which will supply some context to his story.








Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Friday 20 November 20 07:59 GMT (UK)
The following is taken from my draft instruction sheet for the index mentioned above. I have included some reference material. Those highlighted in bold would be of most value to your research:

"Following the disastrous defeat of colonial forces at Te Ngutu o te Manu in September 1868 and the subsequent advance of Titokowaru’s forces into the southern Taranaki, the New Zealand Government responded by sending Captain STACK to Melbourne with a brief to recruit 200 men for service in the Armed Constabulary. During December 1868 and January 1869 newly-attested recruits were dispatched to Wellington on board commercial steamers plying the regular Melbourne-New Zealand route.

The Gothenburg was the fourth ship to transport a draft of Armed Constabulary recruits from Melbourne. The vessels in order of departure were:

Alhambra - Departed Melbourne 9 December 1868 with 99 recruits, (plus another 30 recruited at Hokitika) via Hokitika, Greymouth and Nelson, arrived Wellington 18 December 1868.

Otago- Departed Hobson’s Bay 12 December 1868 for Wellington via Bluff, Port Chalmers and Lyttelton with passengers with 41 recruits, arrived Wellington 24 December 1868. Recruits taken on to Wanganui by ss Wanganui.

Rangitoto - Departed 19 December 1868 for Wellington via Hokitika and Greymouth with passengers and 30 recruits. Arrived Wellington 27 December 1868.

Gothenburg - Departed 26 December 1868 for Wellington via Bluff, Port Chalmers and Lyttelton with passengers and 19 recruits. Arrived Wellington 6 January 1869.

Omeo - Departed Melbourne 5 January 1869 for Wellington via Bluff, Port Chalmers and Lyttelton with passengers and 16 recruits. Arrived Wellington 17 January 1869. Recruits taken on to Napier by the Sturt."

Further reading:

Belich, J. (1993). I shall not die. Titokowaru’s war. New Zealand 1868-1869. Bridget William Books.

Glen, F. (2011). Australians at war in New Zealand. Willsonscott Publishing.

Hopkins-Weise, J.E. (2007). Blood Brothers: The ANZAC Genesis. Penguin.

Hughes, H. & Hughes, L. (1988). Discharged in New Zealand. Soldiers of the Imperial Foot Regiments who took their discharge in New Zealand 1840-1870. New Zealand Society of Genealogists. Book and CD-ROM.

Knight, I. (2013). The New Zealand Wars 1820-72. Osprey Publishing. Includes colour plates of uniform.

Maxwell, P. (2000). Frontier. The Battle for the North Island of New Zealand 1860-1872. Celebrity Books.

Nominal and descriptive rolls, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Waikato Regiments, 1863-1867/ [compiled by] Jeni Palmer.

Ryan, T. & Parham, B. (2002). The Colonial New Zealand Wars. 2nd ed. Grantham House.

Stowers, R. (1996). Forest Rangers. Richard Stowers.

Stowers, R. (2010). New Zealand Medal to Colonials. 10th ed. Richard Stowers.

Cambridge Museum. Armed Constabulary Act.
http://cambridgemuseum.org.nz/armed-constabulary-act/

Cambridge Museum. Cambridge People. Biographies.
http://cambridgemuseum.org.nz/cambridge-people/biographies/

Early New Zealand Books.
http://www.enzb.auckland.ac.nz/

New Zealand Militia, Volunteers and Armed Constabulary 1863–1871.
http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/armedconstab/armedconstabulary.html

Nominal & Descriptive Roll of the Melbourne Contingent Taranaki Military Settlers.
http://www.nzpictures.co.nz/pandoraresearchANZ-AD31-8-8-2.pdf

Papers Past
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/

Passengers in History
http://passengersinhistory.sa.gov.au/

McLellan, J.M. (2017). Soldiers & Colonists. Imperial Soldiers as Settlers in Nineteenth-Century New Zealand.
http://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/xmlui/bitstream/handle/10063/6740/thesis_access.pdf

Soldiers of Empire. Garrison & Empire in the 19th Century.
http://www.soldiersofempire.nz/
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Friday 20 November 20 08:47 GMT (UK)
The book Blood Brothers is online as an ebook.
https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Blood_Brothers.html?id=NebamZsjn0kC&redir_esc=y

An excellent read for anyone researching Australian recruitment for the Maori War of the 1860's, recognizing that many were from other countries or had previously been in New Zealand.

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: Fresh Fields on Friday 20 November 20 20:00 GMT (UK)
What a comprehensive list.  Thanks for sharing SPADES.

Alan.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Friday 20 November 20 20:25 GMT (UK)
outstanding research... spades....I am very appreciative of your time and effort.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Friday 20 November 20 20:31 GMT (UK)
minniehaha...a big thank you as well; in continuing to add to my Constable William Joyce's story.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: minniehaha on Friday 20 November 20 21:41 GMT (UK)
minniehaha...a big thank you as well; in continuing to add to my Constable William Joyce's story.


Actually I was just opening up the link Spades put up at reply #49. He found it, not me..  ;D


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: Fresh Fields on Friday 20 November 20 22:22 GMT (UK)
EDIT............ I have a long standing interest of any Joyce Family especially of Drumlin Hill.........
Appreciate the quality and kindliness of the Rootchat forum

Hello from a Waikato researcher.

While JOYCE is not one of the early settler families that I have looked into, I'm aware that it is a surname that has been in these parts, for a long time. Should you wish to delve deeper, you will find interments in the Hautapu Cemetery [out in the Waipa County a few miles, but the Cambridge Cemetery, since the 1860's] and the Hamilton City cemeteries data bases.

As George appears as a middle name, there is a Peter George JOYCE d. 9/1/1911; 27 years, interment at Hautapu Cemetery.

Alan.
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Saturday 21 November 20 04:06 GMT (UK)
all information welcome Fresh Fields....thankyou...my eyes also light up when the christian name
{Valentine} is mentioned
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Sunday 22 November 20 20:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Mona Lisa,

Another tidbit.

From 'Nominal Roll of No. 1 Division, Armed Constabulary as at  23 July 1869, Bay of Plenty'.

'Constable William JOYCE, joined 8 Dec 1868.'

Source: Archives New Zealand, reference: No.1 Division Armed Constabulary Nominal Return - Officers, NCOs [Non Commissioned Officers], constables and non-effective - 1869 (number, rank, name, going date, date of becoming non-effective, parades (?) showing cause of becoming non-effective) (R17717718)
Agency: ACIS Series: 17649 Record group: P8 Box/Item: 5/5 Record no. (CDO 69/5189)

This quote is again taken from my instruction sheet for this file for submission to the New Zealand Society of Genealogists:

'Historical Context: During the time covered by this file, detachments of No. 1 Division were based in the Bay of Plenty at Matata, Fort Galatea, Fort Clarke and Fort Alfred. The forts were defensive positions sited to protect the region against Maori attacks, and also used as bases for General Whitmore’s advance into the Urewera Ranges in pursuit of Te Kooti. Fort Galatea, now the site of Fort Galatea Scenic Reserve, was located at Murupara, on the left bank of the Rangitaiki River. Built by a force under Major ROBERTS command in April 1869. Fort Clarke was located at Matahina and built in May 1869 during Col. Whitmore’s invasion of Te Urewera. Held by a Maori force commanded by Capt. PREECE as late as 1871. Fort Alfred was located at Te Teko, sited about 3km south of the town near the left bank of the Rangitaiki River, exact position not known. It was built in 1869 as a supply depot for Col. Whitmore’s invasion of Te Urewera. In May 1869 Fort Alfred supported a detachment of 120 European Armed Constabulary, 418 Maori troops and logistic support elements. Possibly a small defence work with a larger adjacent camp. For a contemporary description of the area and these forts refer to Hawke's Bay Herald, 6 August 1869, Page 3 - Matata.'   
 
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Tuesday 24 November 20 05:28 GMT (UK)
spades...I am so glad that you have been willing to  "lend a hand" and sharing your knowledge/
expertise/awareness re: so many different resources /areas
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Tuesday 24 November 20 05:36 GMT (UK)
You're welcome, Mona Lisa ;)

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Thursday 10 December 20 23:52 GMT (UK)
Hi MonaLisa,

I have the two Maori War records and the 1903 Coroner's Report for you.

Please send me a PM with your email address.

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Friday 01 January 21 03:57 GMT (UK)
    Happy  New Year

I have just noticed your message   and have pm'd   my email.......thank you
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: spades on Saturday 02 January 21 03:06 GMT (UK)
Images of three files sent.

Spades
Title: Re: Barwell Annie nee Joyce
Post by: mona lisa on Saturday 02 January 21 20:24 GMT (UK)
spades.....What a find !  Thank you so much !!