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Title: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 01:09 GMT (UK)
I am guessing that "Refory" relates to Reformatory.  Does anyone have access to records pertaining to this institution?
Have a Harry Farquharson aged 16 yrs on census (along with many many others).  Said he was a 'Farm Serv".  Would like to see any more details about him.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 02:50 GMT (UK)
Details re the Reformatory http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/AberdeenBoysRfy/

Kay
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 03:04 GMT (UK)
I wonder if this was Harry?

Aberdeen Press and Journal 20 November 1867

Juvenile Offence - On Thursday  Harry Farquharson, a boy of 12 or 13 from Meanecht, was brought before Sherriff Thomson for theft of some clothing from Cairnhill.  He admitted the offence and was sentanced ten days in jail and five years in the reformatory
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 03:21 GMT (UK)
Quite possibly.  I was hoping to find some mention of an offence but wasn't too sure how to access any records.  I went onto British Newspapers Archives but found nothing. I haven't a sub but I took a look anyway.  Hey; quite excited about this.  Could indeed be him.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 03:22 GMT (UK)
Could this be Harry in 1861  Living at Commercial Inn  Tarland

Jane Pirie    52   Wife of labourer b Tarland
Mary Gray    24  Daughter
John Mitchell    10  Son
Hary C Farquharson    5  Grandson b Tarland

Added - The newspaper report was from FindMyPast
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 03:34 GMT (UK)
Trying to work those relationships out but it probably is him.  The C perhaps stands for Calder as he called himself Harry Calder Farquharson in New Zealand when he married in 1894.  Up til now it hasn't been easy to find anything on him.  But slowly getting there.  I'll have to find what Jane's maiden name was and check marriages.  Once again, the surnames don't match as daughter is known as a 'Gray' and son is a 'Mitchell'. 

Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 03:51 GMT (UK)
I've picked up John Mitchel born 2/5/1852 Aberdeen to Jane Scott and John Mitchell. 
I don't know where the name Pirie comes in.  Still looking.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 03:59 GMT (UK)
Came across this family in 1851 with Jane as a Gray and widow  but no daugter Mary  :-\

Jane   Gray   Widow 40   1811   Pauper   Tarland, Aberdeenshire
Ellen   Gray   Daughter   12   Tarland, Aberdeenshire
Johanna   Gray   Daughter   9   Tarland, Aberdeenshire
Lewis Gray   Son   5   Tarland, Aberdeenshire
N K   Gray   Son   0 Tarland, Aberdeenshire

Can't see a baptism/birth for Harry
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:14 GMT (UK)
I think this is the death of Jane Pirie in 1862 in Tarland which lists her as the widow of Alex Gray and married to James Pirie
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:20 GMT (UK)
The family in 1841 with daughter Mary living in Tarland?

Alexander   Gray   29 Tailor Aberdeenshire
Jean   Gray   31   Aberdeenshire
Betrage   Gray   7   Aberdeenshire
Mary   Gray   5   Aberdeenshire
Helen Gray   3   Aberdeenshire
Alexander   Gray   2   Aberdeenshire
Henry Emslie 11   Aberdeenshire
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:25 GMT (UK)
Marriage on Scotlands People

James Pirie - Jean Smith 1860 Tarland
   
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 04:43 GMT (UK)
Awesome.
I have tried everything for a baptism for Harry.  No luck.    Will have to get his marriage in NZ in 1894 and see who he puts down as his mother.  Can do it online and they are quick.  This is coming together beautifully.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 04:44 GMT (UK)
Just found a birth on SP that might be Harry??

Harry Grey b Tarland  4 Jan 1855 - Mother Beatrice Grey age 21 - Registered by grandmother Jean Gray
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 05:02 GMT (UK)
Beatrice married Thomas Forbes in 1861 Alford Aberdeenshire and died in 1905 in Alford
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 05:20 GMT (UK)
So Harry was the son of Beatrice; hence g/son to Jean/Jane on the 1861 census.  I am gobsmacked to be honest.  This is fantastic.  I didn't try the various spelling of 'Gray'.  Should have done so.  So perhaps little Harry's father must have been a Farquharson.  There was always some suspicion about Harry's birth and no record with the family.  Maybe Harry's dad had a slip between the sheets with Beatrice.
So wonderful; thank you so much. Will update when I receive the marriage cert. in 1894.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 05:24 GMT (UK)
Yes, that would be Mary in the 1841 census.  And 'Betrage' would be 'Beatrice'.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 05:31 GMT (UK)
Fingers crossed re the marriage cert ;D 

Re Harry's birth I just searched on Harry's born in Tarland and I must admit that I missed it the first time round  :-\

This has been great puzzle and really brightened a wet Sunday morning  ;D
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 06:48 GMT (UK)
If I bought another 7 credits with SP would it show the fathers' name? 
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 06:50 GMT (UK)
Sadly no - the only info listed I posted but I can send you a copy if you send me a pm with your email address

Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 07:21 GMT (UK)
What do you mean by PM?  Have an email but ..
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 15 November 20 07:24 GMT (UK)
Sorry private message using the green symbol under my avator picture so your address is not on public display

Kay
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 15 November 20 09:57 GMT (UK)
As Jean/Jane Smith or Gray or Pirie is described as a pauper in at least one census after 1845, it would be worth checking whether the Tarland Parochial Board (Poor relief) records have survived, because if they have they may well contain quite a lot of information about her and her family.

Start with Aberdeen Archives https://www.aberdeencity.gov.uk/services/libraries-and-archives/aberdeen-city-and-aberdeenshire-archives
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Sunday 15 November 20 18:24 GMT (UK)
I've written to the Parochial Board this morning - will see what response I get.
Also ordered the marriage cert for Harry.

If Beatrice had a child outside of wedlock would she have been brought before the Kirk Sessions? Just thought there might be some more information re who the father was?
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 15 November 20 20:28 GMT (UK)
If Beatrice had a child outside of wedlock would she have been brought before the Kirk Sessions? Just thought there might be some more information re who the father was?
Yes, and yes.

See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825881.0
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Monday 16 November 20 01:59 GMT (UK)
Have found a reference for Kirk Sessions 1853-1898 Tarland and Migvie - Minute Book held at the National Records Office.  Country Code GB; Repository code 234 and Reference CH2/351/3.

Does the NRS have a research service that you know of?  Or perhaps a reputable private researcher that may be able to look for information on Beatrice Grey/Gray in approx. 1855/56.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 16 November 20 07:45 GMT (UK)
Have found a reference for Kirk Sessions 1853-1898 Tarland and Migvie - Minute Book held at the National Records Office.  Country Code GB; Repository code 234 and Reference CH2/351/3.

Does the NRS have a research service that you know of?  Or perhaps a reputable private researcher that may be able to look for information on Beatrice Grey/Gray in approx. 1855/56.
The NRS do not have a research service.

You can hire a reputable researcher via https://www.asgra.co.uk/ but unfortunately the NRS is still closed due to coronavirus - see https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/about-us/service-status - so they won't be able to do anything for you meantime.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Monday 16 November 20 19:30 GMT (UK)
I can't believe NRS is still in lockdown. 
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: heymin on Monday 16 November 20 20:50 GMT (UK)
Hi, following on from Forfarians post, Oldscottish.com have the minutes of a Poor Law appeal by Jean Gray or Smith (which was refused). I'm not sure if you'll find any useful information. They will charge 3 for a copy of the minutes from 1850.
Brian
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Monday 16 November 20 20:59 GMT (UK)
An appeal; - must mean there was previous minutes.  Will definitely be interested.  Checking it out now.
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Monday 16 November 20 21:20 GMT (UK)
Received Harry's marriage cert. today of 1894 in New Zealand and states his mother was Beatrice Forbes Gray; born in Aberdeenshire.  Father 'Harry' Farquharson. 

So confirmation of Harry's birth registration of 1855. 
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Kay99 on Tuesday 17 November 20 06:48 GMT (UK)
Thanks Westee ;D

Kay
Title: Re: Old Mill Refory 1871 Census Tarland, Aberdeen
Post by: Westee on Wednesday 18 November 20 03:50 GMT (UK)
A bit disappointed with the Parochial Board doc. for Jean/Jane Gray.  Have attached all that was written;      "608 Jean Gray or Smith.  Tarland and Migvie.  The board dismissed her complaint".