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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: markheal on Tuesday 17 November 20 19:56 GMT (UK)
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Any local HERTFORD knowledge most welcome for:
Huddleston Melville Stokes
1903–1998
BIRTH 16 FEB 1903 • Mangalore, Karnataka, India
DEATH 7 JUL 1998 • TRURO Cornwall
"Works Superintendent Fertiteser Factory" on 1939 Register in lodgings 87,Ware Road.
[possible family story of an Austrian chemical company]???
married in 1934 to:
Alice Dorothy Lawrence
1911–2004
BIRTH 2 AUG 1911 • ISLINGTON London
DEATH 10 DEC 2004 • Holsworthy TORRIDGE, Devon
Living separately in 1939.
Three children, one born 1938 • Hertingfordbury, HERTFORD Hertfordshire, England
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Can you clarify exactly what info you are looking for?
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Can you clarify exactly what info you are looking for?
Carole,
As I am tracking an interesting and very varied career path I am interested in exactly where he was employed in 1939 as a ""Works Superintendent Fertiteser Factory" "
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What was his occupation on his children’s birth certificates?
If he was living on Ware Road, you might expect him to be within a reasonable distance of his place of employment. I can’t see a Fertiliser Factory around Hertford or Hertingfordbury on this map series:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101579472
It could be that is is further away or was not built at the time of this map
I am not sure if this is possible, but I wonder if there is any way to locate a fertiliser factory in a directory.
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Rothamsted Research is about 15 miles from Hertford, and had one of the first artificial fertilizer manufacturing factories.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothamsted_Research
Tony
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If you search the 1939 register for 'fertiliser' in occupation, and restrict the search to Hertford and surroundings, then you will have an indication of other people who may have been working at the same place. (Do not put any other information)
Unfortunately many people may just have put 'factory worker', but it is worth a shot.
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"Horns Mill" ( Horns Mill Road ) milled grain / seed / bone.
Bone used for fertiliser.
Mill bought by "Webb & Co" before HMStokes was born but traded on until the 1970's.Became housing estate.
[ Apparently ]
Worth contacting Hertford Museum ? https://www.hertfordmuseum.org (https://www.hertfordmuseum.org)
The Addis Factory was in Ware Road and cut/drilled bone for all sorts of brushes.
Ray
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Many thanks for all your lateral thinking!
I have written to the Hertford Museum.
I wondered if 'Fertilizer Factory' might be a euphemism for War Materials establishment such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltham_Abbey_Royal_Gunpowder_Mills
"During World War II, Waltham Abbey remained an important cordite production unit and for the first two years of the war was the sole producer of RDX. RDX is one component of torpex, the explosive that was used in the Bouncing Bomb."
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If you search the 1939 register for 'fertiliser' in occupation, and restrict the search to Hertford and surroundings, then you will have an indication of other people who may have been working at the same place. (Do not put any other information)
Unfortunately many people may just have put 'factory worker', but it is worth a shot.
Chempat,
Thank you for sharing this very useful search technique. I am sure that I will use it again.
Royston Herts, seem a likely location and I have written to Hertfordshire Museum archivist for confirmation.
Along with several 'Fertiliser Labourers' from Royston in 1939, I found this 'Chief Clerk'. I wonder where his surname comes from? Austria, Germany or just a mis-spelled Simons?
Harry Seimons Fertiliser Manufacturer's Chief Clerk
1908–
BIRTH 6 APR 1908
A possible Company might be:
FARMERS' FERTILIZER COMPANY LIMITED (THE) was a Private Limited
Company, registration number 00231822, established in United Kingdom
on the 7. July 1928. The company was dissolved. The company was in
business for 92 years and 4 months.
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What was his occupation on his children’s birth certificates?
If he was living on Ware Road, you might expect him to be within a reasonable distance of his place of employment. I can’t see a Fertiliser Factory around Hertford or Hertingfordbury on this map series:
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101579472
It could be that is is further away or was not built at the time of this map
I am not sure if this is possible, but I wonder if there is any way to locate a fertiliser factory in a directory.
Ruskie
Many thanks for your very useful research tip. Thanks to you all I believe that I have found this 'Artificial Manure Factory with its own railway sidings on the 1938 Six inch map!
https://maps.nls.uk/view/101578893
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Just was googling having seen the map, have you seen this site? Scroll down a little:
http://www.cracked-voices.co.uk/tag/royston
Theirs are genuine and unadulterated.
Fancy putting coprolite into a song.
Hertford to Ware is almost 20 miles - very temporary lodgings, as think car needed?
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Many thanks for all your lateral thinking!
I have written to the Hertford Museum.
I wondered if 'Fertilizer Factory' might be a euphemism for War Materials establishment such as
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waltham_Abbey_Royal_Gunpowder_Mills
"During World War II, Waltham Abbey remained an important cordite production unit and for the first two years of the war was the sole producer of RDX. RDX is one component of torpex, the explosive that was used in the Bouncing Bomb."
An online tree at Ancestry says he worked at Waltham Abbey. Factory could have changed from fertiliser to Gunpowder when the war started. Potassium nitrate used for both
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Fertiliser factory may not be same place as gunpowder factory, there are lots of buildings labelled works or factory close to railway line south of Broxbourne and down as far as Edmonton. Hertford east is on Broxbourne branch then joins main line down to Liverpool street.
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A possibility
http://planpub.eppingforestdc.gov.uk/NorthgatePublicDocs/00616262.pdf
mentioned on first page
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Britannica_Industries
Baby Bio manufacturer
From the air in 1920
https://britainfromabove.org.uk/en/image/epw001810
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Just was googling having seen the map, have you seen this site? Scroll down a little:
http://www.cracked-voices.co.uk/tag/royston
Theirs are genuine and unadulterated.
Fancy putting coprolite into a song.
Hertford to Ware is almost 20 miles - very temporary lodgings, as think car needed?
Chempat,
Poo and pickaxes!
What a great article. Where there is muck there is money!
I was interested in the advert for The Farmers Fertiliser Company of Royston [now sadly ceased trading]. I have written to Origins Fertilisers to ask about Company history and archives?
[FARMERS' FERTILIZER COMPANY LIMITED (THE) was a Private Limited
Company, registration number 00231822, established in United Kingdom
on the 7. July 1928. The company was dissolved. The company was in
business for 92 years and 4 months. The company used to be located at
IMMINGHAM DOCK, IMMINGHAM, LINCOLNSHIRE, DN40 2NS. Business of the
company FARMERS' FERTILIZER COMPANY LIMITED (THE) by SIC and NACE code
was "9999 - Dormant Company". There are 59 company documents
available. The most recent document is "FINAL GAZETTE: DISSOLVED VIA
VOLUNTARY STRIKE-OFF" from the 2002.05.07. The latest accounts are
filed up to 2000.12.31]
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Judging from your name tag I guess you have a background in this area!
"Hertford to Ware is almost 20 miles - very temporary lodgings, as think car needed?"
He does have extensive family in Hertford, but for some reason in 1939, his wife and
children [also possible lodgings] at Holborn Farm House, Dane End, Therfield, North Hertfordshire, Hertfordshire, SG8 9RH
https://historicengland.org.uk/images-books/photos/item/IOE01/02809/32
My next task in following his varied career is in RAF Intelligence to the Nurnberg War Crimes Trials as a Translator / Interpreter. Any ideas welcome!
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Lizzie,
The Baby Bio man!
I feel sure that we have all bought some. What a vast range of books!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._G._Hessayon
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Fertiliser factory may not be same place as gunpowder factory, there are lots of buildings labelled works or factory close to railway line south of Broxbourne and down as far as Edmonton. Hertford east is on Broxbourne branch then joins main line down to Liverpool street.
Lizzie,
Thank you again for all your research.
I am now spoilt for choice for Fertiliser manufacturers!
BRITANNIA WORKS, SEWARDSTONE ROAD, WALTHAM ABBEY, ESSEX, EN9 1NP
Registered offices at this address
SUMMIT AGRO EUROPE INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
Dissolved Company number: 03684755
https://sumiagro.com/
http://www.summit-agro.co.jp/english/network/network_europe.html#maps-head
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Hi
Looking at the map, HMS lived within walking distance of ( one of ) a current "chemical company ( GSK )
They had/have sites all over.
Obv now different but you never know.
A number of companies ran company bus services to get employees to/from work.
Why not contact GSK and see what they have?
UK - GSK House 980 Great West Road
Brentford Middlesex TW8 9GS United Kingdom Tel: +44 20 8047 5000 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/tel:+44 20 8047 5000)
Ray
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Hi
Looking at the map, HMS lived within walking distance of ( one of ) a current "chemical company ( GSK )
They had/have sites all over.
Obv now different but you never know.
A number of companies ran company bus services to get employees to/from work.
Why not contact GSK and see what they have?
UK - GSK House 980 Great West Road
Brentford Middlesex TW8 9GS United Kingdom Tel: +44 20 8047 5000 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/tel:+44 20 8047 5000)
Ray
Don't think GSK Ware did fertilisers just pharmaceuticals.
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Hi
Looking at the map, HMS lived within walking distance of ( one of ) a current "chemical company ( GSK )
They had/have sites all over.
Obv now different but you never know.
A number of companies ran company bus services to get employees to/from work.
Why not contact GSK and see what they have?
UK - GSK House 980 Great West Road
Brentford Middlesex TW8 9GS United Kingdom Tel: +44 20 8047 5000 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/tel:+44 20 8047 5000)
Ray
Ray,
many thanks for your continuing interest in the career of this man. Any Ideas about his 1941-1952 time in RAF Intelligence and at Nurnberg War Crimes Trials?
Mark
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Hertford to Ware is almost 20 miles - very temporary lodgings, as think car needed?
I understand that Hertford to Ware is less than 4 miles. Easy walking distance. My ancestors did it every Sunday to go to church.
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Hertford to Ware is almost 20 miles - very temporary lodgings, as think car needed?
I understand that Hertford to Ware is less than 4 miles. Easy walking distance. My ancestors did it every Sunday to go to church.
Sorry, I meant Royston, not Ware, as that was where markheal had suggested it could be.
Google maps would suggest walking 4 miles takes about an hour, so would a superintendent walk for 2 hours everyday? Bicycle, yes, on foot, more unlikely.
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There was always the omnibus. Probably a good service between Hertford and Ware. Until about five years ago there was a direct bus service between Royston and Hertford as well.
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Response from the Hertford Archivist....
"Kelly's Trade Directory for 1937 was checked and there were no Fertiliser manufacturers listed under Hertford "
"We do hold some records for a company that was based in Royston, the Farmers' Manure/Fertilizer Company, covering 1864 – 1973."
Hertfordshire Archives and Local Studies
Title:
Farmers' Manure/Fertilizer Company
Description:
Account books and share registers of the Farmers' Manure Company, 1870 - 1972, W T Nash and Company Limited, 1877 - 1971, S H Fordham and Company Limited, 1936 - 1964, and Nash Fordham and Company Limited, 1933 - 1973. See also Acc 3679
Date:
1864 - 1973
Document Reference:
DE/Ky