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Title: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Wednesday 18 November 20 18:27 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I cannot find 1911 census record for William Evans, born Dolgellau/Dolgelly in 1879 (born William Brown, as his Mother and Father hadn’t married before he was born); and his wife Nellie Jane Evans, (born Nellie Jane Gates in Small Heath, Birmingham).  William was on all census returns since his birth until 1901 in Henllan,  when he had moved to Wolverhampton, Staffs, and was working as a Railway Engine Fireman.  He married Nellie in Rhyl, Wales in 1905, on the same day as his sister Laura Evans….however that is all I can find on him.  I cannot find anything more for either Nellie or William in the 1911 census returns, at home or abroad – I’ve tried searching under the surnames Brown Evans, Evans and even Brown on its own – tried looking for Nellie and also Ellen, however the birth records state her name was Nellie!!  Any help would be most appreciated.
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 18 November 20 19:25 GMT (UK)
Nellie was b Wolverhampton 1876  per freebmd

Do you know the names of any of their children?
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: hanes teulu on Wednesday 18 November 20 19:29 GMT (UK)
Nellie was b Wolverhampton 1876  per freebmd


That fits the probable 1901 Census entry.
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Wednesday 18 November 20 19:38 GMT (UK)
Nellie was b Wolverhampton 1876  per freebmd

Do you know the names of any of their children?

Hi,

I know nothing about them as a couple/after they got married.  I have found all other relevant info, prior to them marrying but they just seem to have disappeared after they wed.  There were a couple of possibilities however wrong places of birth etc.  I've even tried to see if Nellie died prior to 1911 but nothing.

Thanks for taking a look :)
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 18 November 20 20:17 GMT (UK)
Thought I may be able to trace children using GRO online and mmn Gates.  Unfortunately there were at least 2 more Evans/Gates marriages in roughly the same timescale
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Wednesday 18 November 20 20:52 GMT (UK)
Thought I may be able to trace children using GRO online and mmn Gates.  Unfortunately there were at least 2 more Evans/Gates marriages in roughly the same timescale

Aw, bless you for looking - its so frustrating - I even did a search on FindMyPast for any Evan's in the whole of the UK whose Mother's maiden name was Gates - There were a few possibilities prior to 1911, in little pockets from Wales through to the Wirral, but unfortunately, couldn't find them on any 1911 censuses or it was another Evans entirely as their father AAAGH!  Driving me mad atm lol
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 18 November 20 21:45 GMT (UK)
They've moved quite a way by 1911!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7LP-1QV

Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 18 November 20 21:50 GMT (UK)
Take a bow Mabel - very well done👏👏
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 18 November 20 21:53 GMT (UK)
Maybe they're badly transcribed elsewhere.

I looked for a Nellie b Wolverhampton c1876 married to William, and on Ancestry she was top of the list for 1911!
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 18 November 20 21:58 GMT (UK)
A child

EVANS, IVOR
mmn        GATES     
Q2  1911  ST. AUSTELL  Volume 05C  Page 81

Fairly sure I have found the family on 1939 back in Wales - using the surname Brown
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Wednesday 18 November 20 22:15 GMT (UK)
Have found has  GWR staff record - gives dob as 14 Nov 1879 

Mostly in Wolverhampton in the early years, made up to fireman in 1907  when he moves to Stourbridge, the on to Cornwall in 1908. 1925 sees him move to Aberystwyth. Retired on his 60th birthday

Includes his disciplinary record -  there was one incident when he unnecessarily left his engine unattended, went to a signal box an managed to accidentally shoot the signalman with an automatic pistol he;d been handed by the victim, assuming it was  empty!
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 18 November 20 22:16 GMT (UK)
Have just checked the 1939 and you are right.  Living in Cardiganshire and same birthdate as his staff record
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Thursday 19 November 20 11:13 GMT (UK)
Maybe they're badly transcribed elsewhere.

I looked for a Nellie b Wolverhampton c1876 married to William, and on Ancestry she was top of the list for 1911!

Oh thank you so much Mabel!!  Thats brilliant!  I had earmarked Cornwall for further scrutiny as one of her brothers was listed as living at St Austell and I vaguely recall a birth of a child being in Cornwall, (Truro maybe) - Thank you so very much for your help!  Only another three unaccounted children to search for now lol X  ;D
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Thursday 19 November 20 11:14 GMT (UK)
Have found has  GWR staff record - gives dob as 14 Nov 1879 

Mostly in Wolverhampton in the early years, made up to fireman in 1907  when he moves to Stourbridge, the on to Cornwall in 1908. 1925 sees him move to Aberystwyth. Retired on his 60th birthday

Includes his disciplinary record -  there was one incident when he unnecessarily left his engine unattended, went to a signal box an managed to accidentally shoot the signalman with an automatic pistol he;d been handed by the victim, assuming it was  empty!

Are the GWR records available to view on a specific site? x
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Thursday 19 November 20 11:14 GMT (UK)
Have found has  GWR staff record - gives dob as 14 Nov 1879 

Mostly in Wolverhampton in the early years, made up to fireman in 1907  when he moves to Stourbridge, the on to Cornwall in 1908. 1925 sees him move to Aberystwyth. Retired on his 60th birthday

Includes his disciplinary record -  there was one incident when he unnecessarily left his engine unattended, went to a signal box an managed to accidentally shoot the signalman with an automatic pistol he;d been handed by the victim, assuming it was  empty!

Thank you so very much X
Title: Re: Help Needed - William Brown Evans - B) 1879 Dolgellau/Dolgelly
Post by: Sassenach73 on Thursday 19 November 20 11:17 GMT (UK)
A child

EVANS, IVOR
mmn        GATES     
Q2  1911  ST. AUSTELL  Volume 05C  Page 81

Fairly sure I have found the family on 1939 back in Wales - using the surname Brown

Why do you think they would use the Brown surname instead of the Evans?  The only reason I ask is that, although it was his registered name, on every school register, census return, even when he was an adult, (1901 census), he used the name Evans - a newspaper report of his marriage was the only time I'd seen him recorded as W Brown Evans!  Plus, he named his child Evans??