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Hannah Pope NEE PRIDDY 1809–1871
BIRTH ABT 1809 • Burton Bradstock, or nearby Bridport, Dorset, England
DEATH 17 APR 1871 • ST GEORGE IN THE EAST, Middlesex OR THANET Kent ???
2nd great-grandmother
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/MMH4-FMQ
My gggmother Hannah 1809-1871 claims to be born BURTON BRADSTOCK or nearby BRIDPORT 1851,1861 but I fail to find any nearby PRIDDY families.
The nearest are in CHARD but the earliest male death is:
Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
Priddy Jacob 64 Chard 5c 327
There are a few more families in Somerset around Clutton district near to the village of Priddy 10 miles from Clutton and 44 from Bridport.
No luck at Dorset Parish Clerks
PRIDDY does not seem to be a very common surname but I am stymied!
Where did they all go!?
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Try the Dorset OPC website.
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Thank you Biggles,
I have searched all the Dorset OPC records but without any finds so I eventually asked for help.
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It's quite possible that Hannah's mother simply returned to her own mother for a first birth, so Mr Priddy (Hannah's father) never resided in Dorset.
Pauline
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Have you looked at alternative spellings of Priddy?
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James and Hannah married at Old Charlton, Kent (near Woolwich) a long way from where she was born. If she was illiterate and unable to spell her name, the priest, who was unlikely to have a knowledge of Dorset spellings may have just spelt it as he heard it. Hannah's husband James Pope is a lighterman. As Burton Bradstock is a coastal village, maybe her father was also a mariner / fisherman.
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Hannah Pope NEE PRIDDY 1809–1871
BIRTH ABT 1809 • Burton Bradstock, or nearby Bridport, Dorset, England
DEATH 17 APR 1871 • ST GEORGE IN THE EAST, Middlesex OR THANET Kent ???
You have two possibilities for place of death - have you got death Certificate(s)?
There is a burial at Kensal Green Cemetery on 20 April 1871 of a Hannah Pope aged 60 (calculated dob 1810-1) Abode: 15 Clarence Terrace Ramsgate. As the burial date is only a short time after the 1871 census was taken, I checked who was resident at 15 Clarence terrace. It was another Hannah Pope age 60 born Leeds Yorkshire, widow living on dividends. With her are Sarah Hooker unmarried age 30 born Farringdon, Berks occupation attendant and Emilene Hooker age 11 b Oxford, visitor (probably relative of Sarah).
So it looks like the Ramsgate/ Thanet Hannah is the one buried at Kensal Green. Having a live in attendant indicates she was sick.
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The Hannah who lived in Ramsgate was late of St Mark's Crescent, Regent's park and died at 15 Clarence terrace Ramsgate on 17th April 1871. Probate granted to her brother John Leadbeater of 17, Hillside Villas Bradford, Yorks - warehouseman. Effects under £450.
An address in Regent's park makes more sense for a burial in Kensal green. Perhaps she was just visiting Ramsgate for her health and sadly died there.
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Many thanks for all your ideas and research.
I have explored PRIDDY AND PRIDDIS but I will now explore PRIDE and PRIDDLE and PRID*
Her 4 children were all born in St John Horsleydown, Bermondsey, Surrey, England 1832-1844.
The two deaths:
Deaths Jun 1871 (>99%)
Pope Hannah 60 Thanet 2a 472
Pope Hannah 62 St. Geo. East 1c 283
I chose Hannah from St George in the East as this is where she lived for several decades, but interestingly her husband James was born in Ramsgate, THANET.
There may be a connection with his POPE family that I have yet to establish.
I will now buy a Death Cert to be certain.
I will also track the other POPE family in St Mark's Crescent. [my Father used to live in this road in the 1960's].
I have also been uncertain of the correct death of James Pope after he re-married on 13 Oct 1872 to the widow:
Sarah RAIL or REAL NEE ROGERS OR PENROSE ???
1817–1885
BIRTH ABT. 1817 • St.Austell, Cornwall, England
DEATH MAR 1885 • ST GEORGE IN THE EAST, Middlesex
Death of James POPE, I have as SEP 1888 in HENDON chosen largely by age, but I have not found any other POPE family in that district. Another certificate to buy!
Deaths Sep 1888 (>99%)
POPE James 80 Hendon 3a 88
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There was a James Pope living in the Hendon reg district in 1881 who was around the same age as your James - he was single - possibly his death you have found
1881 ref - RG11 Piece 1365 Folio 32 Page 58
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There was a James Pope living in the Hendon reg district in 1881 who was around the same age as your James - he was single - probably his death you have found
1881 ref - RG11 Piece 1365 Folio 32 Page 58
Rosie,
Many thanks for that James Pope living in the Hendon reg district in 1881.
You illustrate to me the great value of Rootchat as two [or more] heads are much better than one [mine]. Well I will now have to try again for his death!
That seems to count against my James POPE as he shows up at his home.
James Pope
Age73 born Ramsgate, Kent
St George in the East
Address 7 Russells Bdgs
Married
Lighterman
St George In The East
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Does the marriage of James & Hannah give any indication as to whether they were single. Were there any witnesses
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As Rosie says were they single when they married?
Am I looking at their son James Borough Pope born 1844 Bermondsey- if so on the GRO mmn is Mabey. Could Hannah have been a widow ? Can you check their other children’s births?
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As Rosie says were they single when they married?
Am I looking at their son James Borough Pope born 1844 Bermondsey- if so on the GRO mmn is Mabey. Could Hannah have been a widow ? Can you check their other children’s births?
Ellen Hannah born 1840 according to baptism, but can't find birth reg
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On familysearch.org Surrey parish registers
I found a marriage between William Priddy and Hannah Mabey on 9th February 1827 at St Marys Church Rotherhithe
Both were single
Witnesses Charlotte Priddy and Henry Mabey
There is a burial of a William Priddy in Stepney in May of that year - May have been him.
Is this a clue or complete red herring ??? ???
Census of 1861 RG 9/390/75/p 23
Living in Rotherhithe
Is this something to do with Hannah’s family a Mary Mabey B.1785 Lother Dorset I suspect this should read Loders which is a couple of miles from Bridport. She is with her son Henry ( born Rotherhithe) and his family
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"William Priddy and Hannah Mabey on 9th February 1827 at St Marys Church Rotherhithe"
1. This certainly looks promising especially if William dies so soon after the marriage.
2. The MABEY link to Loders Dorset which is only 3-4 miles from Burton Bradstock which Hannah states on at least two census returns.
Many big thanks to you all for providing these hopeful solutions.
Mark
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Does the marriage of James & Hannah give any indication as to whether they were single. Were there any witnesses
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I will also track the other POPE family in St Mark's Crescent. [my Father used to live in this road in the 1960's].
The Hannah who died in Ramsgate late of St Mark's Crescent was Hannah Leadbeater, her first husband was James King occ ornithologist. They married on 23 May 1840 at St James Westminster. Her father was John King cabinet maker. Witnesses John Leadbeater and Lucy Leadbeater. On 1851 census there is a John Leadbeater and wife Lucy in Westminster. John is similar age to Hannah and also an ornithologist, might be the witnesses.
Hannah (as Hannah King) married Thomas Pope(widower, gent) on 27 May 1851 at St Mark, Kennington.
Unfortunately Hannah is widowed again by 1861, living in Westminster occ lodging house keeper. Thomas Pope might be a bit more difficult to trace. On marriage record, his father was Thomas Pope deceased, his residence was Kennington and he was of full age
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Wow Lizzie,
Thank you for all this very useful further research.
I will now go back to finding the correct death for James POPE and the new research in Dorset.
Mark
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Does the marriage of James & Hannah give any indication as to whether they were single. Were there any witnesses
Rosie, I will now try to find the marriage record.
Thanks
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FindMyPast has transcript only, but it does say widowed for bride's notes. There is family of Priddy's in Greenwich, children of Edward and Ann: John bapt 1800, Charles bapt 1802, William Edward bapt 1807 - could any of these be first husband?
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William Priddy married Hannah Mabey at Rotherhithe 9 Feb 1827
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Just noticed that had come up before, but it fits now with the child with Mabey as mmn and not Priddy
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Is this a clue or complete red herring ??? ???
Census of 1861 RG 9/390/75/p 23
Living in Rotherhithe
Is this something to do with Hannah’s family a Mary Mabey B.1785 Lother Dorset I suspect this should read Loders which is a couple of miles from Bridport. She is with her son Henry ( born Rotherhithe) and his family
Henry Mabey married Eliza Templen Salibury in 1849. His father was also Henry, occ ship rigger.
Henry Mabey married Mary Trevet at Burton Bradstock on 13 feb 1806
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Hannah Mawby (sic) bapt 16 jan 1809 at BB d/o Henry and Mary - Familysearch
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Henry Mabey married Mary Trevet at Burton Bradstock on 13 feb 1806
I can't find this on BB marriage records on Dorset OPC, so think it may actually be Banns. I have found Familysearch often call a banns record a marriage. So if this date was banns third reading in Henry's parish, I would expect marriage a few days later in Mary's parish
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Found it now on this page
https://www.opcdorset.org/BurtonBradstockFiles/BurtonBShiptonGMarrs.htm
At BB on 13th after all, transcribed as Mawbey
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Now found image of marriage record on Ancestry. At the top it says copied to this place for some reason.
Both Mary and Henry are otp (Burton Bradstock) He signs as Maby, Mary makes her mark.+Witnesses Robert Mabey (sic), John ??Spurdel ??, Sarah Anderson and John Chilcott (who may be parish official)
Possible baptisms:
Henry s/o Thomas and Martha Maybey (sic) 4 June 1786 BB
Mary d/o Robert and Mary Travet 28 jul 1786 at Loders or
Mary d/o Francis and Mary 21 Mar 1788 at Loders
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There was a James Pope living in the Hendon reg district in 1881 who was around the same age as your James - he was single - probably his death you have found
1881 ref - RG11 Piece 1365 Folio 32 Page 58
Rosie,
Many thanks for that James Pope living in the Hendon reg district in 1881.
You illustrate to me the great value of Rootchat as two [or more] heads are much better than one [mine]. Well I will now have to try again for his death!
That seems to count against my James POPE as he shows up at his home.
James Pope
Age73Estimated Birth Year1808
born Ramsgate, Kent, England
St George in the East
Address 7 Russells Bdgs
Married
Lighterman
St George In The East
Another one that fits on age
James Pope age 81 Q4 1889 Islington
Volume: 1b
Page: 143
A bit closer to St George itE
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Going back to Mary Trevet. I think Robert and Mary for parents most likely the other one is a bit young.
Robert Trevet married Mary Hansford at Puncknowle on 26 Dec 1768. If correct Mary Trevet is likely to have few older siblings
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Lizzie,
"You illustrate to me the great value of Rootchat as two [or more] heads are much better than one [mine]. Well I will now have to try again for his death!
That seems to count against my James POPE as he shows up at his home.
James Pope
Age73Estimated Birth Year1808
born Ramsgate, Kent, England
St George in the East
Address 7 Russells Bdgs
Married
Lighterman
St George In The East
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Another one that fits on age
James Pope age 81 Q4 1889 Islington
Volume: 1b
Page: 143
A bit closer to St George itE"
Yes Lizzie, this look really possible for James living briefly with one of his married daughters Martha RICHARDSON, below.
Martha Mary Pope
1832–1886
BIRTH ABT 1832 • Horsleydown Southwark Surrey
DEATH MAR 1886 • HOLBORN Middlesex London, England
MY great-grandmother Martha RICHARDSON.
1871 Living at Hermes Street, [Cul de sac off] Pentonville Road.
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1881 CENSUS..... THIS FAMILY NOT YET FOUND!
Daughter Lydia [my Grandmother aged 18] was training to become a Nun with the RC Poor Clares Order. Perhaps she was the more organised person in the household and responsible for filling in all the family's forms!
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Henry Mabey married Mary Trevet at Burton Bradstock on 13 feb 1806
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Lizzie,
That is good thinking about Banns and Marriages in both couples' Parishes.
I have been slow to update my Ancestry tree with so many new people to explore [spellings allowed] I have 'too many balls in the air' and too many laptop pages open!
Did I send you "The Maybee Society"? Easy to get lost here with all the spelling variables.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/60100260/family/familyview?cfpid=30055753187&selnode=1