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Title: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: stevengenresearch on Friday 20 November 20 10:31 GMT (UK)
any help welcome with the location of Helen Guthrie, The Father and Daughter are from Kinnoull Perthshire. looks like Woodend to me.
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: dublin1850 on Friday 20 November 20 11:56 GMT (UK)
Looks like Woodend to me too.
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: goldie61 on Friday 20 November 20 19:56 GMT (UK)
'Woodend' from me too.
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 20 November 20 20:29 GMT (UK)
Going by the location of Kinnoull, this may be it, possibly a farm back in the day although I can't find anything for the period in Tax Rolls etc...

Scroll down to Pg 5 & beyond

https://tinyurl.com/yxjyjyrl

Annie
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: Istrice on Friday 20 November 20 23:54 GMT (UK)
Woodend appears to have been a large house on the east side of the R. Tay, located between the river and the Dundee Road and opposite the N. end of Friarton Island.

It is shown on the Thomson 1832 map of Perthshire (https://maps.nls.uk/atlas/thomson/)

Regards,  Istrice.
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: stevengenresearch on Saturday 21 November 20 02:44 GMT (UK)
Thank You. :-)
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 21 November 20 19:07 GMT (UK)
Woodend appears to have been a large house on the east side of the R. Tay, located between the river and the Dundee Road and opposite the N. end of Friarton Island.

It is shown on the Thomson 1832 map of Perthshire (https://maps.nls.uk/atlas/thomson/)

Regards,  Istrice.

Istrice, is that the Old Toll House as on here...

https://canmore.org.uk/site/127378/perth-dundee-road-barnhill-tollhouse

You need to zoom out 3/4 times

https://canmore.org.uk/site/search/result?NUMLINK=127378&view=map

Annie
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: Istrice on Sunday 22 November 20 22:12 GMT (UK)
Annie,

Woodend is shown as a substantial property to the north of the location of the toll house.

The John Thomson Atlas of Scotland (1832), which I referenced, shows Perth and Clackmannan on four sheets.  If you refer to the SE Sheet and locate Perth and "Brend" (Bridgend) on the east side of the Tay, "Woodend" is south of the latter location.

I suspect that the house may have been demolished during the construction of the Perth/Dundee railway in the mid 1800's.

The nearest I could get to its location from old maps was a house by the name of Burnhills (possible name change from Woodend ?) which itself became part of the railway's "Burnhill Sidings" shown on later OS Maps.

Railway land plans and/or associated legal paperwork may hold a clue to the history of Woodend, failing which the former Register of Sasines may possibly provide further information.

Istrice
Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 23 November 20 11:24 GMT (UK)
Thanks Istrice...

I did find the map on your link but was struggling to compare the old & new but I can now see what's where.

Annie


Title: Re: Help with location of Helen Guthrie.
Post by: bbart on Monday 23 November 20 20:46 GMT (UK)
I'm not sure if the following adds anything to help!

Caledonian Mercury 09 November 1795 page 4

This is a long article on the upcoming sale of the Lands and Estate of BARNHILL, comprised of "the Lands of WOODEND of KINNOUL and Lands of MUIRHALL, lying within the the parifh of Kinnoul and county of Perth.
These lands are beautifully fituated on the north fide of the River Tay, oppofite the town of Perth.  They hold of the Crown, and are rated in the valutaion books of the county at upwards of (600l?).Scots"


The article goes on to say how they would be sold if not sold as one complete bundle. I will just include the part about Woodend :

"The Farm of WOODEND, as poffeffed by Mr Moncrieff, marked and tinted with yellow on the foredfaid plan, extending to about 117 Scots acres, whereof nearly 40 acres are planted with wood of different ages.-----Part of thefe lands are in leafe to Mr Moncrieff, at the yearly rent o L. 50 0 0
Another part about 21 1/2 acres, marked on the plan as cleared of wood, an for which Mr Moncrieff has offered 1l. Sterling of yearly rent, per acre -- 21 10 0
And that part in wood, and the portion of land poffeffed by Daniel Fergufon, woodcutter, are out of leafe.
The beauty and picturefque fituation of this lot is very confpicuous.  The lands are of excellent quality, fine expofure, and well watered; and from their vicinity to the town of Perth, might be feued out, or built upon to great advantage."