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Title: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Saturday 21 November 20 14:42 GMT (UK)
Hi,

My brick wall relates to two brothers and a sister who I feel may have emigrated.

The last entries I can find for all 3 family members are in the 1851 England Census in Westham, Sussex and because a family member later emigration to Illinois in 1881, I wondered if perhaps the following may have been trailblazers for others to follow?

I am looking for Edwin Watson (baptized 7 April 1833); John Andrew Watson (baptized 1 June 1834); and Sarah Ann Watson (baptized 5 August 1838). They were all born in Westham, Sussex.
Their parents were John Watson (1804-1887) and Charlotte Foord (1804-1888).

Thomas Patrick Watson (1860- 1933) whose father was their brother Alfred John Watson (born 1832), emigrated in 1881 and died in Alabama in 1933.  He married in Chicago, Cook County, Illinois in 1885.

I have looked at familysearch.org and there are entries which seem possible but I would appreciate any information that may show if they did indeed emigrate - There is no sign of any of them after 1851 in England.

Many thanks for  looking

Alan 
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 14:55 GMT (UK)
1860 census Chicago Ward 4, Cook, Illinois.

Edwin Watson   27 born Eng.
Sarah Watson   20 born Eng.
Eliz Watson   2 born Illinois
Albert Watson   2 months. born Illinois.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX4N-QVZ

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 14:56 GMT (UK)

FIND A GRAVE

Albert Watson - Rosehill Cemetery and Mausoleum
Chicago, Cook County, Illinois.
PLOT   Section F Lot 200

There is a note on the entry :- The son of Sarah Susan Linton and her husband Edwin Watson. Moved to Rosehill Cemetery from the City Cemetery before 1871. In an unmarked grave in the Linton plot.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18758402/albert-watson

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Saturday 21 November 20 15:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

That was quick - thank you.

Can you find any marriage between Edwin Watson and Sarah Susan Linton  which may indicate parents names?

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 15:50 GMT (UK)
A possible............??

1860 census Lancaster, Cass, Illinois.

John Dolon (Doland)   22 born Ireland
Mary Dolon   54
Mary Dolon   19
John Watson   27 born England.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXH3-2HM

1870 census Philadelphia, Cass, Illinois.  (age now varies on this JOhn Watson.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M646-RV3

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: RJ137 on Saturday 21 November 20 16:29 GMT (UK)

Can you find any marriage between Edwin Watson and Sarah Susan Linton  which may indicate parents names?

This Edwin appears to have died between 1860-1870.

The family in 1860/1870 census.

1860 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MX4N-QVZ

In 1870 Edwin Sr does not appear, but there are to new children Edwin Jr. & Nellie listed.

1870 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M64G-M2G

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Rosehill Cemetery and Mausoleum
    Section F Lot 200


All Buried in Linton Plot

Son Albert
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18758402/albert-watson
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son Edwin Jr.
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18758306/_

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M3-2RWB

 Chicago Tribune
Chicago, Illinois
13 Nov 1884, Thu  •  Page 8

Death: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63712690/edwin-watson-death/

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Fred & F.W. Linton

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18758494/fred-linton
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18758863/f.-w.-linton

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Sarah's father, William Linton died in 1877.
w/Bio
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18753149/william-linton

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Sarah remarried a couple of times and died in 1907.

w/Bio
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18757000/sarah-susan-barker

Edwin's grave with no dates, but has bio stating he was the husband of Sarah Susan Linton.

Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/18758368/edwin-watson
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 17:09 GMT (UK)
Linton background - in case it is of some interest.......

Sarah Susan Linton - 14 March 1839–20 November 1907

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/LK9M-XDG/sarah-susan-linton-1839-1907

Henry George Motch - 1877 - 1954

https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/9ZWD-YBG/henry-george-motch-1877-1954

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63716223/henry-g-motch-3-november-1954/

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/174363257/_

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 17:18 GMT (UK)
1880 Chicago, Cook, Illinois.

Henry Match   40
Cora Match   41
George Henry Match   3
Nellie May Watson 16 born England.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MXNV-9N5

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 17:26 GMT (UK)
Marriage - Nellie Watson - 1863 married 11 December 1882 Chicago Cook Illinois
Age:   19
Spouse Name Francis Bough - aged 21 years.   Chicago, Cook, Illinois.

1900 census Plummer Avenue Hammond, Lake, Indiana.

Frank Bough   39 born Canada 1861. Saloon Keeper.
Nellie Bough   35 born Illinois.
Edwin Bough   7 born Illinois 1892.
Tony B Chapman   22
Peter L Switzer   21
Fred Tayner   32
Grace Kang   19
Hattie Foster   28

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM12-RQV

Frank Bough died 16 June 1910 Hammond Indiana. Aged 50 years.

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 17:33 GMT (UK)

The Times Munster, Indiana 18 Jun 1910, Sat  -  Page 8   Frank Bough husband of Nellie.

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63717644/frank-bough-18-june-1910/

The Times Munster, Indiana 21 Feb 1910, Mon    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63717826/threatens-to-kill-wife-21-february/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 21 November 20 17:38 GMT (UK)


The Times Munster, Indiana 13 Sep 1910, Tue    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63717999/mrs-bough-arrested-13-september-1910/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Saturday 21 November 20 18:18 GMT (UK)
Hi,

Thank you for all your posts - I have a lot to read and take in. Would the local newspapers have any accessible marriage or death notices for Edwin or any of his children?

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 November 20 18:32 GMT (UK)
Small snippet - The Times Munster, Indiana
5 Sep 1907, Thu    Page 7

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63988851/sarah-susan-barker-5-september-1907/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 25 November 20 20:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

That is an interesting article - I have struggled to find out what happened to Sarah Elizabeth Watson (1858) but it seems she may have married William A Liddington.

Can you shed any more light on this?

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 25 November 20 20:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra

It now appears from census information that Sarah initially married Alfred Tudell on 19 May 1874 and in c1892 re-married William A Liddington.

Appears to be lots of children from first marriage.

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 November 20 20:28 GMT (UK)
Indiana Death Certificate - Sarah E. Liddington - Sarah E. Watson - 18 January 1858 Illinois died 15 July 1925 - Hammond Lake Indiana. Aged 67 years.
Father was listed as Fred Watson and Mother Sarah Watson.

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 November 20 20:33 GMT (UK)
Obituary - The Times Munster, Indiana
15 Jul 1925, Wed    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63643047/obituary-for-john-p-conrad-aged-73/

Sandra

Edit to add - correct newspaper report of Sarah E Liddington

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63994549/sarah-e-liddington-15-july-1925/
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 November 20 20:47 GMT (UK)

The Times Hammond, Indiana - William Liddington
12 Oct 1935, Sat    Page 18

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63995166/william-liddington-12-october-1935/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 25 November 20 20:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Thank you - lots to investigate. Sarah's death showing "Fred" Watson as her father I expect refers to Alfred Tudell, as her real father Edwin died sometime between 1860 and 1870.

I wondered if you had any idea of the death of Nellie May Bough (nee Watson) after her husband Frank's death in 1910

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 26 November 20 17:36 GMT (UK)

Obituary - The Times Munster, Indiana
15 Jul 1925, Wed    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63643047/obituary-for-john-p-conrad-aged-73/

Sandra

Death: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64044188/sarah-liddington-death/

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: RJ137 on Thursday 26 November 20 17:44 GMT (UK)
as her real father Edwin died sometime between 1860 and 1870.

I wondered if you had any idea of the death of Nellie May Bough (nee Watson) after her husband Frank's death in 1910

Alan

If the youngest child, Nellie, was born 1865, then Edwin died between 1864-1870.

You won't find a death record for Edwin. You will need either an obit or funeral home/cemetery record for death date.

The Chicago Fire of October 8, 1871 destroyed all county vital records prior to that date.

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 The Times
Munster, Indiana
13 Sep 1910, Tue  •  Page 2

Clip: https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64044070/mrs-bough/

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 18:16 GMT (UK)


The Times Munster, Indiana 13 Sep 1910, Tue    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/63717999/mrs-bough-arrested-13-september-1910/

Sandra

Sorry I didn't see Nellie after the arrest in reply 10 when she was taken to Indiana Harbor.
She would have been young enough to marry again but no trace so far.

Illinois County Marriage for the son Edwin (age on 1900 census must be an error)

Marriage Edwin Francis Bough - born 1881 - 21 Sep 1903 Kane, Illinois. Edwin was aged 22 years -
   

Father's Name Frank C Bough - mother Nellie May Watson
Spouse's Name Nettie May Kimbrough born 1881 aged 22 years
Spouse's Father's Name Thomas Kimbrough - Spouse's Mother's Name Alice Avery

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF2C-VHM

Edwins parents had married 11 December 1882 on the Illinois marriage index.

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 18:17 GMT (UK)
Indiana, World War I, Enrollment Cards, 1919 - Edwin Francis Bough -

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPCZ-RCHR

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPZ2-7SJL

WW1 Draft - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7HM7-8GPZ

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 18:22 GMT (UK)
1910 census shows Edwin - (marriage 2)

Edwin F Bough - aged 27 years - marriage 2. Switchman on railroad.
Emma Bough - aged 24 years - marriage 1.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRKS-5KP?i=28&cc=1727033&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMKPD-ZMN

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 18:23 GMT (UK)
1920 census Hammond Ward 5, Lake, Indiana.

Edwin Bough   Head      37   Illinois  stagehand   Theatre
Emma Bough   Wife      33   Sweden

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFW7-GZ1

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 18:53 GMT (UK)
U.S., City Directories, 1822-1995 -   (1923) Edwin S Bough - (Anna) r 559 Logan Hammond Indiana.

U.S., City Directories, 1822-1995 -   (1917) Edwin F Bough (Emma)  r559 Logan Hammond Indiana. Stage Hand.

Sandra



Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 19:00 GMT (UK)
Indiana Death - Edwin F Bough - 17 November 1882 Chicago Illinois - 2 October 1924 (aged 41 years) Crown Point Lake Indiana.
Father John Bough - Illinois -  Mother Nellie Watson - Illinois - Spouse Emma Bough
Burial Oak Hill Cemetery.
Perhaps the informant was not aware of his fathers name.

I wonder if Edward Bough listed here is meant to be Edwin - date would fit  :-\

The Times Munster, Indiana
14 Oct 1924, Tue    Page 14

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64049361/edward-bough-14-octiber-1924/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 19:10 GMT (UK)
Obituary Nellie M Tate - The Times Munster, Indiana (daughter of William and Sarah Liddington)
3 Oct 1985, Thu    Page 28

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64030036/obituary-for-nellie-m-tate-aged-80/

Nellie Farina Tate - 1897 - 1985

Oak Hill Cemetery Hammond, Lake County, Indiana.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88628664/nellie-farina_tate

son William 1925 - 1934

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88628832/william-farina

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 19:22 GMT (UK)
Charlotte V Huber - Charlotte V Enocksen - 17 September 1914 Indiana - died 14 March 1987 Gary Lake Indiana. widowed. aged 72 years.
Father George Enocksen - Mother Nellie Enocksen - Informant was her daughter.
Burial Chapel Lawn Cemetery. Schererville Indiana.

FIND A GRAVE

Charlotte Vivian Enocksen Huber - 1914 - 1987

Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens Schererville, Lake County, Indiana.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153800639/charlotte-vivian-huber

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 19:29 GMT (UK)
The Times Munster, Indiana - Matilda (daughter of William and Sarah Liddington)
24 Dec 1974, Tue    Page 27

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64030048/obituary-for-matilda-m-edwards-aged/

FIND A GRAVE

Calumet Park Cemetery Merrillville, Lake County, Indiana.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192981253/matilda-m-edwards

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 26 November 20 19:33 GMT (UK)
Walter Isadore Trudell - The Times Munster, Indiana
14 Nov 1925, Sat    Page 9

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/64030087/walter-isadore-trudell-14-november/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Friday 27 November 20 07:46 GMT (UK)

Goodness me you have been busy. Thank you all so much -  I will have to take it all in.

Alan 
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Friday 27 November 20 08:30 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I think I have narrowed down Edwin's death in Chicago in that whilst the 1865 census does not show names, there is an entry for Ed Watson  and next door is Sarah's father and family Wm Linton. This situation also applied in the 1860 census. So it seems he was alive in July 1865

I wondered if it was possible that the City directories has Edwin listed between 1865 and 1870?

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 27 November 20 10:22 GMT (UK)
Free Sites
A number of directories have been scanned and made available online for free in collections like Google Books and Archive.org. Some examples are linked below.

1839 | 1844 | 1846 | 1855 | 1856 | 1863 | 1866 | 1867 | 1869-1870 | 1870 | 1871 | 1871 | 1875 | 1875-1876 | 1880 | 1885 | 1887 | 1892 | 1900 | 1902 | 1910 | 1911 | 1928-1929

Note: The 1928-1929 directory linked above is arranged by address; a corresponding directory arranged by name is also available. This reverse directory is particularly useful because it lists wives' names.

https://chicagogenealogy.com/find-chicago-city-directories.html

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Friday 27 November 20 11:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Many thanks for the link to the directories - very useful.

Edwin appeared in the 1863 directory and was still with us in the 1865 census. By the time of the 1866 directory he was not mentioned. Just to be sure I will check later directories but it appears he died 1865/1866.

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 27 November 20 11:22 GMT (UK)
The directories very often refer to the previous year.

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Friday 27 November 20 11:33 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Many thanks - in that case he died in 1865.

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Tuesday 15 December 20 10:22 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Just wanted to update you and thank you for your help which has allowed me to produce a family tree for Edwin Watson following his emigration to the USA.

I still have things to find however if it not too much of an imposition, can I seek your help to look at the following on my behalf -

1) Sylvia Cecile Maud Trudell (born Canada 1888) married Lewis T Kollwitz and by 1910 had one son. The parents divorced 1912/13 and she re-married in 1915 to Frank Frederick Fifer (1878-1920). He subsequently re-married a Rosy White in 1918. I have no idea what happened to Sylvia - she may have re-married again to Frederick Kroell in 1922 but can you find her or her death?
2) Julia F Liddington born 1903, I think married an Alexander B Kaminski in 1923 - no trace of them afterwards.
3)You have kindly provided information on Nellie May Watson born 1865 who married Frank Bough I cannot find her after her husband died in 1910. Any ideas? Their son Edwin Frank Bough (born 1881, died 1924) had remarried an Emma born in Sweden in 1886 - any idea who she was or when they married?

I will keep looking myself but the records i have access to are fairly limited.

Many thanks again for all your help

Alan
 
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 17 December 20 19:42 GMT (UK)
Never had any luck with Nellie May Watson/Bough after she was arrested in reply 10.

The death  notice/obit for mother Sarah gives no extra information on Julie, just mentions she leaves 4 daughters

The Times Munster, Indiana 15 Jul 1925, Wed    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65483034/sarah-e-liddington-15-july-1925/

The obits for Nellie died 1985 and Matilda in 1974 also made no reference to sister Julie

Sandra

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 17 December 20 20:04 GMT (UK)
Did have a suspicion that Julie Ford (age slightly out) living with sister Nellie Farina was remarried to Elmer Ford  ???

1930 census Wabash Avenue Hammond Indiana.

Samuel Farine 28
Nellie Farina 31
Elmer Ford 31   Brother-in-law. First married at 26 years.
Julie Ford 25   Sister-in-law First married at 20 years.
Louis Kowlitwitz 19   Nephew
Charlotte Enocksen 15   Stepdaughter
Benard Farina 6   Son
Samuel Farina 4 Son

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XH9J-NPL

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 18:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Their son Edwin Frank Bough (born 1881, died 1924) had remarried an Emma born in Sweden in 1886 - any idea who she was or when they married?

Alan
 

Edwin Frances Bough 1881 - 21 September 1903 Kane Illinois  - aged 22 years -
Father Frank C Bough - Mother Nellie May Watson
Spouse Nettie May Kimbrough.

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 18:17 GMT (UK)
Interestingly there was a Nettie May Kimbrough born 1883 noted on the 1903 marriage with Edwin and then again on 1 marriage 1st April 1920 Kane, Illinois to Leroy Cannon. Nettie had same parents listed each time but was born Illinois not Sweden.  If that was Emma, she may have left Edwin and returned to Illinois  :-\ ???

Sandra

Nettie May Kimbrough 1881 - 21 September 1903 Kane Illinois - aged 22 years.
Father Thomas Kimbrough - Mother Alice Avery - Spouse Edwin Frances Bough.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9L-YCB9

Nettie May Kimbrough- 1883 - 1 April 1920 Kane Illinois - aged 37 years.
Father Tom Kimbrough - Mother Alice A*Ry - Spouse Leroy Cannon

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF2J-DZH


Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 19:40 GMT (UK)
Was Edwin on his second marriage perhaps ......... ???

The Times Munster, Indiana 10 Oct 1924, Fri    Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65547705/widow-to-push-case-further-10-october/

The TimesMunster, Indiana 10 Oct 1924, Fri    Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65547963/widow-to-push-case-still-further/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 19:41 GMT (UK)
The Times Munster, Indiana 17 Oct 1924, Fri    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65548168/morgan-released-17-october-1924/

Sandra

Reminding myself that the 1910 census did say Edwin was on his second marriage. I had forgotten that.

Marble Street Hammond Ward 1, Lake, Indiana. 1910

Edwin F Bough 27 marriage 2
Emma Bough   24   Wife. Marriage 1.

Logan Street Hammond Ward 5, Lake, Indiana 1920

Edwin Bough 37   Head. Born 1883 Illinois. Stage Hand. Theatre.
Emma Bough 33 Wife. Born Sweden Naturalised.

Chicago, Illinois, City Directory, 1914 Edwin F Bough - 727 W 60th

Sandra




Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 19:50 GMT (UK)
There is an ancestry tree which gives Nettie May Kimbrough/Huntley Illinois -  U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index

Nettie May Huntley - Nettie May Kimbrough - 5 Jun 1882 Aurora, Illinois. Aged 46 years. Married.
Death Date 26 Dec 1928 Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date 29 Dec 1928 Chicago, Cook, Illinois.
Cemetery Name Woodlawn
Residence Chicago, Cook, Illinois, U.S.A.
Father Name Joseph Kimbrough - Mother Name Nettie Kimbrough - Spouse Name Charles Huntley.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/129857105/nettie-m.-huntley

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 20:05 GMT (UK)


The Times Munster, Indiana - 8 Oct 1924, Wed    Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65549852/mrs-bough-swears-to-warrant-8-october/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 20:12 GMT (UK)
Remarriage of Emma Bough to Edward Palmateer. The Times
Munster, Indiana - 3 Jun 1927, Fri    Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65550168/edward-palmateer-married-mrs-emma-bough/

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q21V-1XYX

Sandra

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 20:14 GMT (UK)
1930 census Jackson Street Hammond, Lake, Indiana.

Emma Palmateer 44   born Sweden. Imm 1902. NA.
Elward Palmateer 38   

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 20:17 GMT (UK)
1940 census Hammond, Lake, Indiana.

Emma Palmateer 54   
Edward Palmateer 49   

FIND A GRAVE

Emma 1881 - 1981
   
Elmwood Cemetery Hammond, Lake County, Indiana.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173626742/emma-palmateer

Edward Palmateer 1891 - 1957

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/173626741/edward-palmateer

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 20:19 GMT (UK)
Obituary for Edward Palmateer - The Times Munster, Indiana
29 Apr 1957, Mon   Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65550778/obituary-for-edward-palmateer-aged-66/

The Times Munster, Indiana 30 Apr 1957, Tue    Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65552672/palmateer-service-30-april-1957/

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65552723/part-2/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 21:03 GMT (UK)
Emma may have been Emma Swangren ..............arrived New York 1902
Born 1886 and aged 16 travelled Liverpool to New York on the Germanic. Arriving 3 October 1902
There was also a Jenny Swangren aged 18 years travelling with her.  Last residence Solna.

Jenny Svangren abt 1884 Place of Origin Stockholm Stad Stockholm Län, Sverige
Destination New York 19 sep 1902
Port of Departure Göteborg- Database Name EmiHamn
Traveling Companion   M - Principal Person Svangren Jenny

 
This could be the California death record for Emma Swangren/Swengren/Bough/Palmateer -

Emma Augusta Palmateer - Emma Augusta Swengren
Birth Date 28 Mar 1884 Other Country - Death Date 15 Dec 1981 Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name Anderson - Father's Surname Swengren

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 21:12 GMT (UK)
This was an interesting clip - The Times Munster, Indiana 19 Jul 1938, Tue  -   Page 21

Mrs Edw Palmateer Honors Niece - 19 July 1938

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65554060/mrs-edw-palmateer-honors-niece-19/

The niece was named as Mrs Keith Stafford - Miss Frances Howard of Oak Park Illinois who had married 25 June top Mr Keith Stafford.
Also mentioned was a Jenny Nielsen who is the sister of Emma.

There was a birth in 1944.

Frances Stafford Birth Date abt 1944 died 21 Aug 1944 Melrose Park, Cook County, Illinois
Stillborn Female.
Father Name Keith Stafford - Mother Name Frances Swangren.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NQST-MVW

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 21:15 GMT (UK)
Jenny who travelled with Emma married in 1906

Jennie Swangren - 1884 - married aged 22 years Chicago Cook Illinois
Spouse Name Axel P. Nielsen 27 years.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7HS-ZMR

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 21:24 GMT (UK)
Illinois, U.S., Deaths and Stillbirths Index - Jennie Nielson - Jennie Swangreen
Birth Date 30 Jan 1884 Sweden died 21 Nov 1944 Chicago, Cook, Illinois - aged 60 years.Married.
Burial Date 24 Nov 1944 Hammond, Lake, Indiana
Residence Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name John Swangreen Sweden - Mother Name Ida Anderson
Mother Birth Place Sweden - Spouse Name Axel P.

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Friday 18 December 20 21:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Once again many thanks  - i am lost for words.

The Palmateer connection is interesting  - Mable Palmateer married William I Trudell in 1908 - his mother was Sarah Elizabeth Watson and now we have Edward Palmateer having married Edwin F Bough's widow (Emma Swangren) - Edwins mother being Sarah's sister Nellie May Watson.

Both Palmateers came from Kansas so assume they are brother/sister.

A complex web indeed

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:06 GMT (UK)
Sorry had to nip off for a while but yes, Mable and Edward Palmateer were brother and sister.

1900 census 119 Street North Lake Indiana.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MM1K-1LT

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:08 GMT (UK)
Mabel Bybee Obituary mentions sister in law Mrs Emma Palmateer of Lakeland Florida.

The Times Munster, Indiana 19 Sep 1967, Tue    Page 2


https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65562269/obituary-for-mabel-bybee-aged-79/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 18 December 20 23:08 GMT (UK)
Hi
Emma and Jenny and family in Solna Parish, Stockholm, Sweden in 1902:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/00044716_00074#?c=&m=&s=&cv=73&xywh=-329%2C1220%2C7011%2C3347

Father: Johannes Svangren
Mother: Ida Adolfsson

The minister had noted that they left for USA in 1902.


Ian

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:10 GMT (UK)
Mabel Palmateer - Marriage Registration 20 Jan 1908 Indiana.
Spouse William L Trudell

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GPXY-3P5?i=237&cc=1410397

Mabel Trudell - Marriage Registration - 10 Jul 1913 Indiana. - Spouse Carl B Bybee.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VNT6-CF4

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:14 GMT (UK)
William Trudell killed -

The Times Munster, Indiana 12 Jul 1909, Mon    Page 1

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65562702/william-trudell-12-july-1909/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:16 GMT (UK)

Card of thanks - re William Trudell

The Times Munster, Indiana 16 Jul 1909, Fri    Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65562834/card-of-thnaks-re-william-trudell/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 18 December 20 23:30 GMT (UK)
Emma Augusta Svangren's birth record in Nottebäck Parish:
https://sok.riksarkivet.se/bildvisning/A0009916_00005#?c=&m=&s=&cv=4&xywh=-3%2C879%2C5716%2C2783 - nr 11


Ian

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:37 GMT (UK)
The Times Munster, Indiana 6 Jan 1910, Thu    Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65564135/l-palmateer-marriage-mentions-mrs/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 18 December 20 23:40 GMT (UK)
The Times Munster, Indiana 17 Dec 1912, Tue    Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65564290/sylvia-kollwitz-louis-f-kollwitz/

The Times Munster, Indiana 16 Jun 1913, Mon   Page 5

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/65564375/divorce-16-june-1913/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Saturday 19 December 20 08:20 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

I have found a marriage between Elmer Warner Ford and Julia Lilian Luddington 13 July 1926 at Cook, Illinois. Age for Julia is right. As she was first married at age 20 (see your earlier post) I am thinking she married Alexander B Kaminski in 1923 and then Elmer in 1926.
Elmer died in 1935 and is buried at Lake Village Cemetery Indiana (findagrave.com). The questions are is this the right family and what happened to Julia post 1935?

Alan
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 19 December 20 09:41 GMT (UK)
Elmer Ford - Death Date:   9 Mar 1935 Chicago, Cook, Illinois

Father Name  Scott Ford - Mother Name Julia ...Ns- Spouse Name Julia

1920 census Range Street Ganeer, Kankakee, Illinois.

Scott Ford  Age 55
Julia E Ford  Age 47
Elmer Ford  Age 24 born Illinois. labourer.
Edith O Ford Age 18
Juanita Ford  Age 7

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 19 December 20 10:20 GMT (UK)
Thought it may be interesting to show Emma Palmateer and Jenny Nilsson's mother's probate showing her children in USA. Most of the family had moved over:

Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Monday 05 April 21 18:54 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Just wanted to update you regarding Julia Liddington - you may recall you found her in the 1930 census as the wife of Elmer Ford. I have now found that after Elmer's death in 1935 she married Zaner Mahmet in 1937 and died in 1955 at Hammond Lake, Indiana. In turn her husband Zaner died in 1963.

I also found the death of Nellie May Bough (nee Watson) in Hammond on 13 Feb 1903.

Still more to find but at least the brick walls "are crumbling"

AlanT
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 April 21 19:09 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Just wanted to update you regarding Julia Liddington - you may recall you found her in the 1930 census as the wife of Elmer Ford. I have now found that after Elmer's death in 1935 she married Zaner Mahmet in 1937 and died in 1955 at Hammond Lake, Indiana. In turn her husband Zaner died in 1963.

I also found the death of Nellie May Bough (nee Watson) in Hammond on 13 Feb 1903.

Still more to find but at least the brick walls "are crumbling"

AlanT

Thank you for the update.

Obituary for Julia if you haven't seen it

The Times Munster, Indiana 15 Nov 1955, Tue    Page 22

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75156892/obituary-for-julia-hassan-mahmet-aged/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 April 21 19:12 BST (UK)


Alex (Zaner) Mahmet - 11 February 1963

The Times Munster, Indiana 11 Feb 1963, Mon    Page 20

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75157153/alex-zaner-mahmet-11-february-1963/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 April 21 19:15 BST (UK)

Russell Mahmet -

The Times Munster, Indiana 20 Apr 1978, Thu    Page 23

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75157413/russell-mahmet-20-april-1978/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 05 April 21 19:18 BST (UK)
Kelly Mahmet -

Obituary for Kelly Mahmet (Aged 65)

The Times Munster, Indiana 27 Sep 1993, Mon    Page 11

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75157531/obituary-for-kelly-mahmet-aged-65/

marriage license Kelly Mahmet

The Times Munster, Indiana 11 Apr 1962, Wed    Page 22

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/75157630/marriage-of-oleskv-mahmet/

Sandra
Title: Re: Emigration - Watson Family of Sussex
Post by: Tall Al on Monday 05 April 21 20:34 BST (UK)
Hi Sandra,

Thank you for the additional details. I am intrigued by the obituary for Julia Mahmet (nee Liddington) which says 3 sisters - I can explain and have already found 2 - Mrs Steve Tate, and Mrs Harry Edwards (Nellie M Liddington and Mathilde Liddington respectively) but am at a loss about Mrs William Shaffer of Gary.

Julia had a half sister Sylvia Cecila Maud Trudell born 1888 in Canada, from her mothers first marriage to Alfred Trudell, but the last I knew she had married a Frank Fifer in 1915 (he died 1920) and previously a Louis Kollwitz. In 1940 she was a widow (housekeeper) using the name Sylvia Kollwitz.

Alan

PS - Just found her death as Sylvia Shaffer 13 July 1963  - buried at Chapel Lawn Memorial Gardens, Schererville, Lake County but not found a marriage.