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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Radnorshire => Topic started by: magslote on Monday 23 November 20 10:37 GMT (UK)
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Please can you help, thanks, yes being me , helping people out, is my thing .familysearch gives no parents, been given a marriage 1771, a jane morris has been mentioned,thankyou Margaret.
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Where did you get the date of marriage from? You say he was Glaswegian but have posted on the Radnorshire board. Was the marriage in Wales?
Can you explain your 2 dates please - your header says 15.10.1785 but you then give a marriage date in 1771
Marriages for that period never show fathers names.
If he was born in Glasgow - have you checked www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
This is the only Welsh marriage on Family Search
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC1V-2M9
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Sorry since my recent post he married in 1806 to a mary jones. his wifes burial was in 2.5.1840 aged 53. 1787 erected by his second son james bywater. montgomery churchyard,CAERSWS
Margaret.
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Sorry since my recent post he married in 1806 to a mary jones. his wifes burial was in 2.5.1840 aged 53. 1787 erected by his second son james bywater. montgomery churchyard,CAERSWS
Margaret.
Thankyou for all this imfo.thanks.
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Baptism in Glasgwm, Radnorshire 15 Oct 1785 for Peter, son of John Bywater by Jane his wife
Marriage in Llanwnnog, Montgomeryshire 3 March 1806 for Peter Bywater otp & Mary Jones otp, with consent of parents. Witnesses John Bywater & Evan Morgan. All sign except Mary. John Bywater witnesses several other marriages on the same page.
Possible burial for parents in Caersws
9 Jan 1826 Jane Bywater 86 Tynewydd
8 April 1826 John Bywater 84 Caersws
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there's a marriage licence from 1771 for John Bywater and Jane Morris, widow, both of Llanbadarn Fynydd, Radnorshire. Not particularly near to Glasgwm. Haven't spotted the marriage online as yet.
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Thankyou OSPREY very much apprieciated,Margaret.
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Hi,
I'm looking for the parents of peter bywater ( born 1785 glascwm)
I know their names are john and jane..I originally thought they could be john bywater ( born abt. 1768)and jane wooller ( married around 1791) . However they seem to have gone on to have 2 daughters ( twins) in 1818. Therefore would this rule them out ( ie gap between Peter's birth and the daughters ie.33years)?
The current couple I'm now looking at are john bywater and jane morris. Both died in 1826 at Llanwnogg.( married 1771) .There is a link with this place and peter. Peter seems to be living here at one point ( record of some of his children born here ). My only issue with this couple is that it has been indicated they were born abt 1740, making them 45 when they had Peter- is this likely? Also I cant find birth records for them to confirm date of abt 1740. Can anyone solve who the correct john and jane might be ?????. Also it may be a different john and jane altogether??
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the records for Llanbadarn Fynydd for the period of the marriage of John to Jane Morris are not online.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/LlanbadarnFynydd
You may need for the archives to re-open so you can get the entry checked.
By the way, welcome to Rootschat! :D
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Is there any other way of finding out dates/ places of birth for john bywater and jane morris ( both died 1826 Llanwnogg)? :-Many Thanks
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at the period of your interest, all you can check is parish records and not everything is online. When Jane Morris married Peter Bywater, she was a widow, so unless you can find a possible first marriage, you won't know what name to look for.
Think I may have just found the will of her first husband. Will of Richard Morris of Llanbadarn Fynydd written 28 March 1770 and registered 18 May 1771 by his executrix and widow, Jane. The will mentions there were no children to the marriage at the time the will was written.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q31/
There's mention of estate in Llananno and there's a marriage licence dated 24 May 1766 for Richard Morris of Llananno and Jane Williams of Llandegley. This marriage is online and you can access the parish entry for it via FindmyPast. Marriage was 28 May 1766, both signed and the witnesses were Thomas Williams & Meredith Jones.
You can get copies of the marriage licences from the National Library
https://www.library.wales/services/enquiries/nlw-enquiries
It may be that Jane was born in Llandegley, being of the parish at time of marriage doesn't mean that she was born there.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/RAD/Llandegley
Possible baptism in Llandeglau 23 March 1739 for Jane, daughter of William Williams and Ann. There's a page of the register given over to the Williams family that suggest some standing in the parish. Other siblings
Catherine baptised 1732
Ann bp 18 Jan 1735
Mary bp 31 Aug 1739
Sarah bp 20 Sep 1743
Thomas bp 19 May 1745
James bp 18 Dec 1749
Lidia bp 14 July 1751
But no way of knowing if this is the correct Jane Williams. It's not an unusual name.
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Thankyou for all this info.
I've just found out that John bywater ( born abt 1742? Radnorshire)( died 1826 Llanwnogg, montgomeryshire,) had several other sons other than Peter (born1775 ,Glascwm radnor). They were Thomas, James and John ( he died pre1826)
Apparently John bywater( abt1742 to 1826) was a schoolteacher. There is a record from a relative that a bywater founded a school in Barmouth, and that they originated from tanners in Yorkshire.
I'll follow up the info you've given me
If you can find any further info re. John and sons plus any links to Yorkshire. Many Thanks Karen
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where did your relative find this record of the school? Not many appearances of the surname Bywater in Merionethshire records.
There are some records of interest
Llanenddwyn
4 Feb 1804 Joshua, son of Thomas Bywater & Mary his wife
22 Jan 1806 Abraham, son of Thomas Bywater and Mary his wife
Llanaber
27 Dec 1816 Richard son of Thomas Bywater, schoolmaster, & Mary of Barmouth - Richard was buried 3 March 1817 aged 10 weeks
Burial in Llanaber 21 April 1824 for Mary Bywater 55 of Barmouth
Possible remarriage 4 Dec 1829 in Trawsfynydd for Thomas Byewater, widower, and Jonett Williams. Thomas signed Bywater and Jonett marked.
Burial in Ffestinig 25 May 1851 of Thomas Bywater 76
1851 census Ffestiniog Ho107/2512 folio 210 pg 10
Thomas Bywater head mar 76 shopkeeper b. Herefordshire (blind)
Jennett wife 56 b. Trawsfynydd
So, a Thomas Bywater who was a schoolmaster in Barmouth, but not your John born 1742.
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I'm currently trying to determine the birthplace and parents of John Bywater (1742 -1826)(father of Peter)
He married Jane Morris in 1771 (she was a widow , maiden name Jane Williams) at LLanbadarn Fynydd, Radnordhire
John died at Llanwnogg.
I can find lots of Johns from Yorkshire but few in Wales. (I was informed that my Bywater family originated from tanners in Yorkshire?). Any ideas??