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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: trystan on Wednesday 02 December 20 23:46 GMT (UK)
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Great day in history - the first approval of use for a Covid-19 vaccine.
It happens to be in the United Kingdom, but hopefully other countries will approve it soon too.
How amazing. This is a monumental task. It's hard to imagine how much work so many teams of people have gone through, and yet keeping the scrutinty of the whole process to the very highest levels of safety and compliance.
The vaccine! :)
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It's certainly a fantastic achievement and great news that it's been approved in the UK and the vaccinations will start next week. I take my hat off to all the dedicated people who have worked so hard to achieve this.
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Yes,I was amazed too, it needs very specific temperatures etc I think but as you say how much work and effort it must have taken to get so far in such a short time - as research goes!
We ought to have a Happy Vaccine Day, to show appreciation ,well some recognition at least of those responsible.
Viktoria.
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What a remarkable achievement that 3 Covid 19 vaccines have been created.
Let's hope that every country of the world can benefit.
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Certainly uplifting news and being produced in such a short space of time too.. just what everyone needs at the moment... some light at the end of the tunnel for the benefit of mankind...
Caroline
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For those who are concerned about the speed with which the vaccine has been approved - the deputy chief medical officer has just been interviewed live on This Morning. He said that when the Covid vaccines have been developed they have followed every stage of the process as is usal, the difference is that instead of reaching a stage and asking for volunteers to trial it, they already had a list of volunteers and this speeded up the process. There was a lot more to the interview, if you're interested it'll be on the ITV plus one channel (programme will start at 11, the interview was about 15 minutes in) or on ITV Player later on.
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Discussing the vaccine being rolled out in the UK very soon, Professor Van Tam used the phrase "until we are properly confident" more than once.
Seems to me that says it all.
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I'm heartily sickened by the government's Trump-like boasting about being the first country in history to get the vaccine approved. Gavin Williamson said some particularly silly things about the EU's attitude this morning. The important thing is that all countries get the vaccine, whether rich or poor, and in good time, otherwise the pandemic will not be controlled.
Having said that, I'm very happy that the various companies have worked their socks off to make the vaccine and congratulate them on their efforts. I will willingly join the queue for my jab, though they seem to be very carefully saying that it will make the effects of the virus less serious, rather than preventing it or eliminating it altogether. There are still questions to be answered and time alone will tell how long the vaccine will be effective for and whether it will have to be rolled out regularly like the flu vaccine.
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I thought you might be interested in this:
My husband was talking to his friend today (by phone) and the friend recalled being vaccinated for flu in 1957.
That was Asian flu, from which my husband remembers being very ill - the only one in his family to get that flu.
I looked it up and this is interesting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/1/newsid_3086000/3086843.stm
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Not very sure that Gavin Williamson has done us any good :-\
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Williamson is a silly boy. He has previous for saying daft things - wasn't it he who said Putin/Russia should shut up and go away?. He hasn't done himself any good.
Anyway, it's good news for a change but, please, no more questions on tele/radio about the vaccine. They have now all been asked and answered.
I believe that the UK is the biggest single donor to the Global Vaccine Scheme, thus helping to ensure that poor countries will have these vaccines.
I also think we can do without seeing Government ministers and other people, notably ex USA presidents, being vaccinated live on television. I don't quite see the vaccination programme as a spectator sport.
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I thought you might be interested in this:
My husband was talking to his friend today (by phone) and the friend recalled being vaccinated for flu in 1957.
That was Asian flu, from which my husband remembers being very ill - the only one in his family to get that flu.
I looked it up and this is interesting:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/1/newsid_3086000/3086843.stm
Very interesting heywood.
I was very ill with Asian Flu in 1957, and I was wondering if it might give me any immunity to COVID-19?
Who knows...? However, I will be more than happy to have the vaccine, when it’s available.
Romilly.
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My husband will have this vaccine hopefully as will his friend. It was just interesting to see the similarities in the time line etc.
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The article was very interesting and almost a mirror image of this current pandemic in terms of its origin, time of year, second wave etc... only difference seems to have been the death toll....
Caroline
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Brief publications on vaccine
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-pfizer-biontech-vaccine-for-covid-19
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Thank you Mark.
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Anyway, it's good news for a change but, please, no more questions on tele/radio about the vaccine. They have now all been asked and answered.
I also think we can do without seeing Government ministers and other people, notably ex USA presidents, being vaccinated live on television. I don't quite see the vaccination programme as a spectator sport.
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You may have seen and heard all questions asked & answered but many people haven't. If people have questions they deserve to be answered.
The scientists and medics have to tell it, tell it again and tell it again, and again ...
There was a Q&A on "Woman's Hour" today. One question was about pregnant women.
A series on Radio 4 is "How to Vaccinate the World" presented by Tim Hartford.
The point of a past and future POTUS being vaccinated on TV is to inspire confidence. There is a mountain of disinformation.
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Interesting ~
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-mixed-vaccine-trial-likely-to-begin-in-uk-next-month
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Interesting ~
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/08/covid-mixed-vaccine-trial-likely-to-begin-in-uk-next-month
Yes Gadget, that is interesting.
Information for healthcare professionals.pdf
If I have read and understood the official Guidance to Clinicians properly, link posted to it all, in my Reply #14 (so have a look for yourselves if you wish), the Pfizer vaccine is not to be mixed with another medical treatment?
Mark
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Mark ,would that include ongoing drugs for heart failure etc.?
So many elderly are on a cocktail of drugs ,I am taking 16 currently and that is modest by comparison to my husband’s when he was alive.
If so it precludes many many people who can not stop the life saving drugs they are prescribed.
Thanks for your post , will try to digest it later.
I am 83, so not in the first age related group.
Viktoria.
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If I have read and understood the official Guidance to Clinicians properly, link posted to it all, in my Reply #14 (so have a look for yourselves if you wish), the Pfizer vaccine is not to be mixed with another medical treatment?
Mark
Is this the section that you are refering to , Mark?
The administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2should be postponed in individuals suffering from acute severe febrile illness.
Individuals receiving anticoagulant therapy or those with a bleeding disorder that would contraindicate intramuscular injection, should not be given the vaccine unless the potential benefit clearly outweighs the risk of administration.
Immunocompromised persons, including individuals receiving immunosuppressant therapy, may have a diminished immune response to the vaccine.No data are available about concomitant use of immunosuppressants.
As with any vaccine, vaccination with COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2may not protect allvaccine recipients.
No data are available on the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 in persons that have previously received a full or partial vaccine series with another COVID-19 vaccine.
Interaction with other medicinal products and other forms of interaction
No interaction studies have been performed.
Concomitant administration of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2with other vaccines has not been studied(see section 5.1).
Do not mix COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2with other vaccines/products in the same syringe.
Fertility, pregnancy and lactation
Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNAVaccine BNT162b2.Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2is not recommended during pregnancy.
For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose
I would expect the medical staff administering the vaccine to check the medical history/drugs of the patient before injection.
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I would think that this is the document that we 'recipients' might read. Too much reading of specialist reports by the non-specialist is dangerous.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/940566/Information_for_UK_recipients_on_Pfizer_BioNTech_COVID-19_vaccine.pdf
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Changed to link, regarding mixing see 4.5
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/941452/Information_for_healthcare_professionals.pdf
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Mark, you are becoming obsessive.
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Too much reading of specialist reports by the non-specialist is dangerous.
Yes!!
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So is reading reports by non-scientist journalists on ANY scientific subject. One of my rants!!
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So is reading reports by non-scientist journalists on ANY scientific subject. One of my rants!!
You mean all the information given on FaceBook and other forums isn't correct? ;D ;D ;D
What annoys me is the people who say they won't have it until it is proved 100% safe. How do they expect that proof to come? That strikes me as selfishness, they are quite prepared to sit back and let others take a risk - very slight if you read the scientific stuff. They will also probably be the first to complain if there comes a point when airlines or similar ask for proof of vaccine before allowing people to travel. I'm not saying that it should be mandatory, but if you aren't prepared to have it, don't expect the same as those who do. That's my rant over. ;)
Moderator comment: locked for me to be able to read this, consider it and the content and decide what to do. Patience, courtesy and kindness, please. ;)