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Title: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: huddy on Tuesday 08 December 20 01:22 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I am seeking information about Mary Ann Knight who married John Huddy Retallack at Ladock, Cornwall, on 7 October 1826. I have a lot of ancestor info on John, but Mary is a mystery. She is shown as 'My An Knight' in the England Marriages.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: CaroleW on Tuesday 08 December 20 01:55 GMT (UK)
Have you found her on a census? Where & when was she born?
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 08 December 20 03:05 GMT (UK)
The marriage record says both bride and groom were of this parish (Ladock)
Witnesses were Walter Puckey and Selina Puckey

Added : looks like the Puckeys are related through the Retallack side of the family.
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 08 December 20 03:18 GMT (UK)
There is a Mary Ann NIGHT (illegitimate) baptised 1809 in Ladock, mother Mary Night.

I have not yet found a death for your Mary Ann. She is still alive in 1871 census, in Truro with her son. It might be her death in Falmouth Union in 1886??

However, the census says she was born in St Stephen, so this might not be her.
But, I found NO other birth records that would fit for Mary Ann. St Stephen is only about 5 miles from Ladock.

John Huddy Retallack (illegitimate) born 1806 in Ladock, mother Catherine
John Huddy Retallack died 1865 in Ladock age 61.
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 08 December 20 03:28 GMT (UK)
Mary NIGHT also had 2 other illegitimate children that I could find:
James NIGHT baptised Ladock 1796
Susannah KNIGHT baptised Ladock 1799

Mary KNIGHT (I assume the same one), died 1849 in Ladock age 82 ( therefore born about 1767)
 
Note the surname spelling tends to vary.
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 08 December 20 12:26 GMT (UK)
1861 Census unm Aunt Sarah Retallack is living with them.
Marriage;
Catherine BELE or
Francis RETALLACK 13 Dec 1767, St Ladoca, Ladock

FreeREG Bapt Ladock;
JOHN 12 Aug 1769
FRANCIS 1773
CATHERINE 14 Oct 1774*****
JAMES 09 Jul 1776
JAMES 18 May 1780
SARAH 06 Jul 1777*** (Aunt on Census)
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 08 December 20 21:29 GMT (UK)
does your info about John's father include his will? it's on FamilySearch

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q3s/

Daniel's sister, Rebecca, is one of my direct ancestors.

 :D
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: osprey on Tuesday 08 December 20 21:41 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q3t/

copy of the parish entry for the marriage, Walter Puckey was the parish clerk of Ladock at the time and witnessed many marriages.
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 08 December 20 22:05 GMT (UK)
Walter Puckey was the parish clerk of Ladock at the time and witnessed many marriages.

Walter Puckey married Ursula Retallack 1790 Ladock (witnesses were members of the Huddy family)
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 08 December 20 23:18 GMT (UK)
A bit more detail:
Mary Ann NIGHT (illegitimate) baptised 25 Sept 1809 in Ladock, mother Mary.
Mary KNIGHT (the mother) burial 22 May 1849 in Ladock age 82 (therefore born about 1767, but cannot find a birth for her)
Mary NIGHT also had 2 other illegitimate children that I could find:
James NIGHT baptised Ladock 7 Oct 1796 (also says born St Stephen in census)
•   Married Grace STANNAWAY in St Michael Penkevil 1821
•   1841 census   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBS-RBZ
•   1851 census    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKF-ZKB
•   1861 census    https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7CL-CDK
Susannah KNIGHT baptised Ladock 26 Dec 1799; (also says from St Stephen on her marriage) died before 1851 census?
•   Married John HENWOOD in Newlyn East 1820
•   1841 census   https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQB3-2WQ
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 08 December 20 23:40 GMT (UK)
Children of John Huddy RETALLACK and Mary Ann KNIGHT
  The family lived / farmed at “Higher Trelassick”
•   Catherine Huddy RETALLACK baptised 4 Jan 1829; Married to James STAPLE in 1852 Ladock
•   Mary RETALLACK 1830
•   Daniel RETALLACK 1831; emigrated to Australia in 1856
Bit of a gap here - so may be missing a child/ children that died as infant
•   James RETALLACK 1838; married to “Phoebe” (1871 census with 3 children)
•   John RETALLACK 1841
•   Charles RETALLACK 1843 married to Catherine HOOPER in 1866 Ladock
•   William RETALLACK 1846
•   Cornelius RETALLACK 1849 ; married to Emma CORNICK in 1869; died 1874 Truro age 25

1841 Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBM-LFB
1851 Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKN-XZW
1861 census  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7C6-K41
1871 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ8-Y7G
In 1871 Mary Ann, the mother, is with the family of her son Cornelius. He dies in 1874 and Emma, his widow, remarries. I don’t know where mother Mary Ann goes to. I cannot see her in 1881 census.
I can see 2 possible deaths: 1883 in Redruth (age 73) or 1886 in Falmouth (age 75) – but it is possible that neither is right.
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: osprey on Wednesday 09 December 20 16:07 GMT (UK)
Yes, Walter Puckey married Ursula Retallack but probably witnessed the marriage because he was parish clerk. It was common practice. His burial in 1847 notes that he was parish clerk for 53 years.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q3w/

 ;)
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: huddy on Wednesday 09 December 20 22:52 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Trish.
Catherine Bele and Francis Retallack are my direct ancestors.

Catherine 14 October 1774 is my direct ancestor Catherine Retallack. She had an illegitimate son, John Huddy Retallack, to her cousin Daniel Huddy (Junior). Daniel was born 15 Sep 1766.

Sarah 6 July 1777, is Catherine's sister, who also had an illegitimate son, James Huddy Retallack, to her cousin Daniel Huddy Junior. Daniel's will names both boys as his sons.

I have a lot of info on those generations of Huddy and Retallack, but I hit a brick wall with Mary Anne Knight wife of John Huddy Retallack. As you will see revealed elsewhere on this thread, she too was illegitimate and her name had spelling variation of 'Night'.  :o
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: huddy on Wednesday 09 December 20 23:07 GMT (UK)
Children of John Huddy RETALLACK and Mary Ann KNIGHT
  The family lived / farmed at “Higher Trelassick”
•   Catherine Huddy RETALLACK baptised 4 Jan 1829; Married to James STAPLE in 1852 Ladock
•   Mary RETALLACK 1830
•   Daniel RETALLACK 1831; emigrated to Australia in 1856
Bit of a gap here - so may be missing a child/ children that died as infant
•   James RETALLACK 1838; married to “Phoebe” (1871 census with 3 children)
•   John RETALLACK 1841
•   Charles RETALLACK 1843 married to Catherine HOOPER in 1866 Ladock
•   William RETALLACK 1846
•   Cornelius RETALLACK 1849 ; married to Emma CORNICK in 1869; died 1874 Truro age 25

1841 Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQBM-LFB
1851 Census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKN-XZW
1861 census  https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7C6-K41
1871 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJ8-Y7G
In 1871 Mary Ann, the mother, is with the family of her son Cornelius. He dies in 1874 and Emma, his widow, remarries. I don’t know where mother Mary Ann goes to. I cannot see her in 1881 census.
I can see 2 possible deaths: 1883 in Redruth (age 73) or 1886 in Falmouth (age 75) – but it is possible that neither is right.

Thanks again, Neale1961!!!!
Title: Re: Mary Ann Knight of Cornwall
Post by: huddy on Wednesday 09 December 20 23:11 GMT (UK)
Thanks to all for your information and assistance. I am amazed at how quickly my question was answered, and the depth of those answers. Excellent!!!! :D