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William Coltman Neal was born illegitimate 1866 (thus named on his father's will 1871). I assumed William Coltman and Anne Neale were his parents as they married shortly after his birth and had more children. Possible freebmd entry William C Neale Ashby de la Z. There is no birth entry for a likely William Coltman around this time and I have struggled to crack this one and his birth info is lost to time.
On all records 1871 through 1911 he is down as William Coltman, married as William Coltman etc. Could he legally change his surname back in the 19th century and are there any historic records available if so? If not he's lied on official records which is naughty. I think he did lie otherwise he would be called William Coltman on his dads will. He's my gr.gr. uncle. Thanks. Regards Andrew
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William Coltman Neal was born illegitimate 1866 (thus named on his father's will 1871).
I assumed William Coltman and Anne Neale were his parents as they married shortly after his birth and had more children.
Possible freebmd entry William C Neale Ashby de la Z. There is no birth entry for a likely William Coltman around this time and I have struggled to crack this one and his birth info is lost to time.
GRO indexes shows middle name, mother’s maiden left blank
NEALE, WILLIAM COLTMAN -
1866 M Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH UNION Volume 07A Page 102
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He didn't lie, and it wasn't illegal ;D
Under the laws of England & Wales, a person can call themselves anything they like, just long as it isn't for the purposes of fraud or deceit.
A Deed Poll isn't necessary.
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Is this their marriage?
William Coltman Age: 52
Marriage 4 Sep 1866 Knighton, Leicester, England
Father: James Coltman
Spouse: Ann Neale age 30 father Edward
Is this them on the 1871 census surname as transcribed Cottman?
Piece: 2085 Folio: 51 Page Number: 21
William Cottman 59
Ann Cottman 36
George Cottman 4
Ann Cottman 3
Richard Cottman 1
Elizabeth Neale 10
Lizetta Foster 22
William Cottman 5
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Wow. Thank you Ladyhawk. Same entry at freebmd doesn't list his middle name even on the original sheet I downloaded.
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Thank you for the info KGarrad.
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Here are some other births from GRO indexes mn Neale
COLTMAN, - NEALE
1870 J Quarter in BLABY Volume 07A Page 41
COLTMAN, GEORGE GOODWIN NEALE
1867 J Quarter in BLABY Volume 07A Page 39
COLTMAN, RICHARD HENRY NEALE
1869 J Quarter in BLABY Volume 07A Page 35
COLTMAN, ANNE LAURA NEALE
1868 J Quarter in BLABY Volume 07A Page 36
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That's them Ladyhawk thank you. He had TB and I think they went down to Torquay for the airs. Didn't help though as he died April 18, 16 days after the census. Where are the GRO indexes that show middle names please?
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Did Ann have more children?
COLTMAN, WALTER EDWIN CALLOW -
1876 J Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 244
COLTMAN, ARTHUR CALLOW -
1879 M Quarter in LEICESTER Volume 07A Page 201
1881 c Piece: 3160 Folio: 41 Page Number: 36
Ann Coltman 43 wid.
Walter Coltman 5
Arthur Coltman 2
Joseph Callow 48 Mar.
1891 census RG12; Piece: 2203; Folio: 30; Page: 14;
Ann Coltman 54
William Coltman 25
George G Coltman 24
Richard H Coltman 21
Walter E Coltman 14
Arthur Coltman 12
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Where are the GRO indexes that show middle names please?
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
You need to register it’s free to search
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Thank you Ladyhawk. I think they went down to Torquay for the airs because he died of TB 18th April, 16 days after the census. GG Coltman is my gr. granddad Richard and Laura are GG's bro and sis. The 1870 birth was fathered by William, a girl but she only survived two days. Any children born after William's death are fathered by Joseph Callow 5 or 6 years after his death but their BC's give William Coltman as their father which is a bit naughty really but I think she was only trying to do right by her children.
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Sorry, repeated myself, didn't think my post had uploaded.