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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: haney on Wednesday 09 December 20 20:04 GMT (UK)
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Hi Everyone I'm trying to find out some more details on the above Sidney G. BLANK and his family in Devonshire. I have just received his marriage certificate 1914 for here in NSW and his parents are Henry Stockman Blank (deceased) and Alice Petherbridge (deceased).
Sidney's father was a Plasterer and Sid was 34 in 1914 according to the information on his marriage certificate. It seems that Sid and Beatrice did not stay together too long as they both moved on to other partners. I have not been able to find him on the census's in England as yet or any details on his parents deaths etc or his immigration to NSW. Thanks for any additional information. Kindest regards Dianna
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Births Jun 1861 BLANK Henry Stockman Newton A
BLANK, HENRY STOCKMAN STOCKMAN
GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 169
BLANK, JESSIE ELENA STOCKMAN
GRO Reference: 1863 S Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 137
BLANK, (female) STOCKMAN
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 160
Family tree https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/17608370/person/182191037921/facts
So Given 1881 information about the father as unwed.
PETHERBRIDGE, SIDNEY GEORGE -
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 145
Sydney George Petherbridge is a Nurse Child in the 1881 England Census
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his father appears to have emigrated to Australia in 1883, so you're probably looking for a death over there
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Hi Thanks for your reply and information, unfortunately I cannot access link you have sent!! Need an ancestry sub.
I do have his death certificate here but it does not have too much relevant information.
That is why I could not find Sidney's birth, as you have pointed out! He is illegitimate is that correct.
Will be interesting to see if he was just using the BLANK surname or if his parents eventually married?? Would be interesting to see Sidney's birth certificate. Kind regards Dianna
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Hi I can see the 1881 Census with Sidney as a Nurse child, any clue what that means and where is his mum/dad. This is strange. LOL. Thanks Dianna
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HI again Pauline I see Henry Stockman Blank is living with his parents aged 19 on the 1881 Census. The plot thickens. I'm just chasing up his immigration record, from memory he was 23 ish and single. So perhaps trying to run away from the situation over there. Very interesting. Dianna
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1881 census Henry Stockman Blank
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-Y6YC
And in 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5T9-RZ4
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In your first post you have Alice Petherbridge, and then you call her Beatrice in the next paragraph.
What is the correct name, please?
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Beatrice (surname not given) is the wife , alice petherbridge was stated to be his mother.
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Hi I can see the 1881 Census with Sidney as a Nurse child, any clue what that means and where is his mum/dad. This is strange. LOL. Thanks Dianna
A nurse child was a bit like a foster child, possibly placed in the household on paying basis by the mother, whilst she worked somewhere, or by the local poor law union as an alternative to the baby being in the workhouse
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Hi So sorry. Beatrice AVES is the wife of Sidney G. BLANK, married here in NSW 1914. Alice Petherbridge is Sids mum on his marriage certificate and Henry Stockman BLANK is the father.
Looks like Henry S BLANK died in Jerilderie NSW. in 1896, cannot find a death notice. Dianna
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Arrival?
S. BLANK
Birth Year abt 1881
Age 23
Port of Departure Devonport, Tasmania
Port of Arrival Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date 18 Apr 1904
Vessel Name Karori
ADDING
This vessel was a coastal steamer so only local.
Therefore not the original arrival from England of this passenger
Sue
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I have been looking for possible Alices. This one in 1881 is living very close to Newton Abbot and Torquay. Note her name in later census is “Pethybridge”. She never seems to marry, nor is she listed as having an occupation, (in the transcipts at least)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-BV8Y
Note added - her mother's name is Mary George Pethybridge. Not sure if the second name GEORGE is significant or a red herring.
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1883 arrival.
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Looks like Henry S BLANK died in Jerilderie NSW. in 1896, cannot find a death notice. Dianna
1896 death record.
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Looks like Henry S BLANK died in Jerilderie NSW. in 1896, cannot find a death notice. Dianna
1896 death record.
Aged 36: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150845013/henry-blank
Jamjar
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Wow this story just keeps getting sadder by the minute. If this is Sidney's father dying at only 36 years of age. I'm surprised Sid knew his parents names at all! I'm beginning to wonder if he came to Australia using another name! How long was he with that family from the 1881 Census.
Sounded like no one was interested in claiming him!! Unless Alice died in child birth or was in the workhouse. Sad really. Thanks everyone for their input, it's great. Dianna
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I have been looking for possible Alices. This one in 1881 is living very close to Newton Abbot and Torquay. Note her name in later census is “Pethybridge”. She never seems to marry, nor is she listed as having an occupation, (in the transcipts at least)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-BV8Y
Note added - her mother's name is Mary George Pethybridge. Not sure if the second name GEORGE is significant or a red herring.
Sep 1848 Totnes 9 566
PETHYBRIDGE William
ANGEL Mary Grace
Deaths:
PETHYBRIDGE, MARY GRACE 87
GRO Reference: 1906 S Quarter in TOTNES Volume 05B Page 90
PETHYBRIDGE, ALICE 89
GRO Reference: 1945 M Quarter in TOTNES Volume 05B Page 302
1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJ9-MX4
1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5TR-64F
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WCKB-5MM
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSWC-QMP
PETHYBRIDGE, MARY ANNA mmn ANGEL
GRO Reference: 1849 M Quarter in TOTNES Volume 09 Page 589
PETHYBRIDGE, PHILIP mmn ANGEL
GRO Reference: 1850 S Quarter in TOTNES Volume 09 Page 509
PETHYBRIDGE, JOHN mmn ANGEL
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in TOTNES Volume 09 Page 511
PETHYBRIDGE, HARRIETT JANE mmn ANGEL
GRO Reference: 1854 M Quarter in TOTNES Volume 05B Page 151
PETHYBRIDGE, ALICE mmn ANGEL
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in TOTNES Volume 05B Page 143
PETHYBRIDGE, WILLIAM mmn ANGEL
GRO Reference: 1857 J Quarter in TOTNES Volume 05B Page 147
Jamjar
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Unless Alice died in child birth or was in the workhouse.
I looked for deaths for Alice around the time of Sid’s birth, but could find nothing registered, which is why I looked at other possibilities.
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Thanks! So Sid should be on the 1891 Census?? Still in England maybe!! As an 11 year old! I wonder is he still a Pethybridge OR a Blank. Curious! Many thanks Dianna
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Thanks! So Sid should be on the 1891 Census?? Still in England maybe!! As an 11 year old! I wonder is he still a Pethybridge OR a Blank. Curious! Many thanks Dianna
I can’t see him as either.
He’s not will Alice, or Mary Grace.
Jamjar
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So frustrating, can't pin Sid down. Looking at his death certificate doesn't help much as the informant was Sergeant of Police at Redfern. Unknown parents, living at 13 Vessey St. Waterloo (which is the same address as Miriam Campbell (Blank) unmarried) 28 Jan 1937 aged 59, born England and 58 years in NSW. As there is no marriage for Miriam and Sid, I have even less information.
They had 4 children together Joyce, Sidney George, May and LLOYD BLANK. Wonder where Sid was in 1891??? Dianna
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Wonder if he is/was still with the Hawkins family. Wonder how they fit into this story. Dianna
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Wonder if he is/was still with the Hawkins family. Wonder how they fit into this story. Dianna
You might want to see if the Hawkins brought him to Australia with them. I can’t see the Hawkins family on censuses after 1881. Maybe someone else can locate them.
I can’t see John Neck either.
NECK, JOHN -
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 139
Jun 1871 Newton A. 5b 303
HAWKIN Joshua
LEGG Mary Jane
HAWKINS, AGNES MARIA mmn LEGG
GRO Reference: 1873 J Quarter in NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 151
Jamjar
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And what about Sarah Kelly living in the house? She surely is the wet nurse to the 2 boys.
I wonder if she adopted one or both.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-YX7R
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One possible death of Joshua Hawkins aged 49 in Newton A. in 1889. So doesn't look like he came here with Sid! Regards Dianna
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I have run out of ideas at the moment. I have looked at every possibility i could think of, without making progress. You could say i have come up with “blanks”. ;D
Perhaps new eyes will find a new angle.
I would get Henrys death certificate and see if there is anything on it that will shed some new light.
On Sid’s marriage or death record, does it say how long he has been in Australia?
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HI yes on the death certificate it say's he was in NSW 58 years, doesn't make sense to me. LOL Regards Dianna
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Just looking at Sid's marriage certificate it states he was 34 in 1914 married in the Methodist Church WAGGA WAGGA Reigion:- Presbyterian?? Don't quite understand that. Sid's marriage just states that he was born in Devonshire, England a laborer aged 34!! He must have been told about his parents by someone!! Yes I'm coming up Blank here too. Oh well we can't always find everything we want with our research (sad!). No immigration for Sid (to Aus) no children on his death certificate and I'm unable to order the certificates of his 4 children. Seeing as they were illegitimate there is usually very little information on them anyway! Just keep plugging away I guess. Many thanks Dianna
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Are you aware there are death certificates for 2 Blank children, parents Sidney George, and Miriam.
May Blank in 1928 and Sidney George Junior in 1943.
You will be able to order those.
Also maybe looks like his “wife” Miriam Blank died 1941.
When you get his father’s death certificate it might give you new leads.
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Hi Again. I have just received this bit of information and I'm trying to follow up on it at the Aus end! Just wanted to share it with you as you have all been very helpful with this request re Sid.
"I think you have the right birth reg.
You can order a PDF certificate from the GRO which can be downloaded and saved.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
I think his mother was Mary Maria ALICE Pethybridge/Petheridge born in Holne, in 1852.
Findmypast has the transcription of a Newton Abbot workhouse birth:
born on 01/04/1880 a MALE child to MARY PETHERBRIDGE of TORMOHAM baptised on 29/04/1880 a child called SYDNEY GEORGE
I also found a newspaper report of a Mary Maria Alice Pethbridge in 1877, alleging that one William Uglow had not been paying maintenance for his child by her. This is obviously not Sidney, but possibly a daughter b c1874 (from another newspaper report).
There is then the marriage of one Mary Maria A Pethybridge to William Henry Kinch in 1882 (I traced the other couple on the index on the 1891 census).
This is probably William Henry Kinch born in Torquay in 1852, joins the Navy.
A Sidney Kinch b c1880 arrives in Queensland 6 Nov 1883, as does a Mary Kinch b c1857.
This is all conjecture on my part and would need checking out, obviously." Don't know if it will pan out but will follow up on it. Regards Dianna
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Some interesting progress. From a quick look I have found this
Queensland Death
William Henry KINCH
Event type: Death registration
Event date: 14/05/1914
Mother: Thirza Jane Kinch
Father/parent: Wiliam Robert Kinch
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Hi Neale Well that's interesting. Hope I'm on the right track here. Thanks for that. Will see what else comes up with this William KINCH immigrating perhaps. I couldn't find a death of Mary/Alice KINCH in Queensland as yet. The plot thickens. LOL. Thanks Dianna
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No I could not find a death or a second marriage for Maria/Alice Kinch in either QLD or NSW.
There is an Alice Kinch (possibly daughter) who married about 1916 and then lost her husband soon after in the war.
What was the ship that they arrived on to QLD? - I could not find immigration for them
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Guess it may be an idea to look for a death of WILLIAM HENRY KINCH in England! As this Mary came to Qld by herself with Sidney George? I've made enquiries in Qld to see if there are anymore details on Ms. KINCH! Sometimes on the assisted immigrants list there are birth places mentioned and parents. KINCH, Mary aged 26 arrived in Qld 6 November 1883 on the DUKE of BUCCLEUCH as an assisted immigrant with Sidney KINCH born c 1880. I will check that WW1 Record for Alice's husband. Anything is worth trying
Could be helpful. Regards Dianna
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If you send me a PM, I can send you the passenger list for DUKE of BUCCLEUCH arriving Nov 1883.
I find it extremely difficult to read, but could not see the name Kinch.
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Hi Neale I just sent you a PM with my email address. Many thanks Dianna
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In 1883 passenger list Mary nee Petherbridge is 26, therefore born about 1857.
I wonder if this is her birth? - no mothers maiden name
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Just a note regarding William Henry Kinch's death.
His burial was 15-05-194 in Toowong Cemetery. In the same grave plot was buried a "Namoi KINCH" on 12-8 1935, age 70 yrs.
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Hmmm! I did see that Naomi on the Qld deaths!
With the birth of Mary Petherbridge, wonder where the name ALICE comes into it. Or has it been shortened to just Alice. There are no middle/extra names on Sids marriage certificate. Now the question is was there a MARY MARIA Petherbridge on any census". She should be on the 1861, 1871 etc. Maybe the same person with three names!! Therefore she would be about 4 ish on the 1861 Census. Will have to go over this again I think
So William Henry Kinch and Namoi (Naomi?) looks like a married couple. So not connected to MARY!! Wow this is a tricky one isn't it!! Dianna
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There’s a death of a William Henry Kinch 15/3/1914 in trove articles, Queensland. Just thought I would throw that in. I hope that the Newton Abbot poorhouse will have more on this Mary/Alice Petherbridge so I can hopefully marry all of this up.
And who is this other child
"I also found a newspaper report of a Mary Maria Alice Pethbridge in 1877, alleging that one William Uglow had not been paying maintenance for his child by her. This is obviously not Sidney, but possibly a daughter b c1874 (from another newspaper report)." Was this child born under Petherbridge or Uglow??? So many questions, I know. Regards Dianna
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Naomi/ Namoi must be related somehow. Maybe his sister, or could be Mary with a name change?
I think you need some certificates to answer questions. To start with the Petheridge-Kinch marriage and Henry Blanks death, should give you more detail to work with.
Finding Mary in the census is tricky without knowing who her parents were.
The name Alice could have been a simple mistake. If Sid had not been living with his mother for most of his life, he may not have been sure what her name was.
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There’s a death of a William Henry Kinch 15/3/1914 in trove articles, Queensland.
Yes, the snips I posted came from Trove.
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If you send me a PM, I can send you the passenger list for DUKE of BUCCLEUCH arriving Nov 1883.
I find it extremely difficult to read, but could not see the name Kinch.
I cannot see the original document, but the transcription on Ancestry is surname KENCH
Mary, Wm and Sydney.
Sue
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It is extremely difficult to read.
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William Henry Kinch born 1852 Newton Abbot
The names of his parents on his birth, and the 1861 census, are the exact same as recorded on his QLD death certificate.
Added: interesting to note his father's occupation is also a plasterer.
His marriage record will confirm, but should give you some background to Mary Maria
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Although the marriage between Naomi PARSONS and William Henry KINCH was in 1903 as mentioned, their daughter was born well before that.
Beatrice Naomi PARSONS
Event date 17/08/1899
Reg1899/C/7162
Mother Naomi Parsons
Suggests to me that there was an obstacle to an earlier marriage and that may well have been the existing marriage to PETHERBRIDGE.
Sue
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Hey, good find Sue :)
So I see now that William Kinch marries Naomi Parsons in Brisbane on 22- 8-1903.
That means that wife no.1, Mary was out of the picture by then - where? dead? divorced? run off to find Henry Blank in NSW?
We need that death cert. for Henry
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Thank you everyone. So do we think that the ALICE Pethybridge on the various census and other records, daughter of Mary Grace Pethybridge, who remains a spinster throughout her life IS not the mother of Sydney George Blank-Pethybridge!! as that Alice died in 1945 okay.
Now we have the possibility of Sidney (no middle name on immigration record) being the stepson of William HINCH and son of Mary Maria A?? PETHYBRIDGE.
I looked for a birth of a Sidney/Sydney George KINCH just to be sure there was only one on the free BDM site I use from here, no connection that I could see.
The only connection I can make to the Blank surname is from Sids marriage record! No confirmation from any other source.
I imagine that there would be NO mention of the BLANK surname on Sids birth certificate!
"Findmypast has the transcription of a Newton Abbot workhouse birth:
born on 01/04/1880 a MALE child to MARY PETHERBRIDGE of TORMOHAM baptised on 29/04/1880 a child called SYDNEY GEORGE"
Question:- Where does Findmypast copy their transcriptions from re the workhouse?? I will have to contact someone to see if there is any more information on this MARY Petherbridge. Then Sid was given to the HAWKINS family according to the 1881 Census.
Are there any details of Mary's other child to the other man?? Wow this is a head spinner for sure.
Possibly William Henry and Mary/Alice ??? split up around the time that the Beatrice PARSONS was born to KINCH is that correct. So Petherbridge has died or moved to NSW with Sid, that's all I can come up with at the moment. LOL. Thanks very much for all the input and ideas. Dianna
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So do we think that the ALICE Pethybridge on the various census and other records, daughter of Mary Grace Pethybridge, who remains a spinster throughout her life IS not the mother of Sydney George Blank-Pethybridge!! as that Alice died in 1945 okay.
No this person is not anything to do with the family.
I believe Sid's mother is Mary Maria A Petherbridge. You need to get his birth registration.
I believe his father is Henry Blank - you need to get Henry's death certificate.
Mary Maria married William Kinch ( you need the marriage cert.), and they come to Brisbane with Sid in 1883.
Kinch remarries in 1903, so Mary and Sid are gone. We don't know yet what happens to Mary and Sid, until we find Sid's death in NSW.
Are there any details of Mary's other child to the other man?? Wow this is a head spinner for sure.
I hesitate posting this - 'cos it might just add to the confusion or be red herring -- but you asked so here goes ......
There was a “Sydney Alfred Petherbridge” born 28-11-1876 in the St Marys Union Workhouse Plymouth.
His death is registered in Jan 1878 Plymouth – just over 1 year old.
Sydney Alfred’s baptism on 27-12-1876 gives parents as John and Mary. The father is “a gentleman”, but the address is Saltram Villas, Laira, Plymouth – and drilling down this appears to be the Pymouth Union children’s home.
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Hi Neale thanks for all of that LOL. I guess I'll start with Henry Blanks death certificate or find other details on him if possible here. It might not say much on it though as there may be no relatives here to give the necessary details. Unless Sidney pops up to help.
With Sid's birth it may not help much if he is illegitimate right!!! No Dad will be mentioned!
On an English marriage certificate only the father of the bride and groom are mentioned aren't they not the mother.
So why is there NO Mary Maria "A" PETHYBRIDGE on any census or did I miss something. So Sid know's his mother as ALICE!!
Okay time to take a break I think. Thanks so much. Talk later I'm sure. Dianna
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There is a baptism at Holne in 1856 for a Mary Maria Alice PETHERBRIDGE, dau of Frances Henday PETHERBRIDGE (born 1823). The 1861 census shows Mary Alice Maria PETHERBRIDGE, granddaughter of William & Mary PETHERBRIDGE, living in Holne. Their single dau Frances is also shown, aged 38 b. Cornwood. Frances married Richard MILLS in 1863. In 1871, Richard & Frances MILLS are shown in Newton Abbot with a 14 year old daughter Mary P. MILLS, b. Holne. Does the P stand for Petherbridge?
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There’s a death of a William Henry Kinch 15/3/1914 in trove articles, Queensland. Just thought I would throw that in. I hope that the Newton Abbot poorhouse will have more on this Mary/Alice Petherbridge so I can hopefully marry all of this up.
And who is this other child
"I also found a newspaper report of a Mary Maria Alice Pethbridge in 1877, alleging that one William Uglow had not been paying maintenance for his child by her. This is obviously not Sidney, but possibly a daughter b c1874 (from another newspaper report)." Was this child born under Petherbridge or Uglow??? So many questions, I know. Regards Dianna
Think you have a choice - neither have a mother's maiden name listed, suggested born out of wedlock
PETHEBRIDGE, MARY ELIZABETH
Q1 1873
NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 147
PETHBRIGE, ANNIE GERTRUDE
Q2 1875
NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 127
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I hesitate posting this - 'cos it might just add to the confusion or be red herring -- but you asked so here goes ......
There was a “Sydney Alfred Petherbridge” born 28-11-1876 in the St Marys Union Workhouse Plymouth.
His death is registered in Jan 1878 Plymouth – just over 1 year old.
Sydney Alfred’s baptism on 27-12-1876 gives parents as John and Mary. The father is “a gentleman”, but the address is Saltram Villas, Laira, Plymouth – and drilling down this appears to be the Pymouth Union children’s home.
PETHERBRIDGE, SYDNEY ALFRED
mmn BUDGE
Q4 1876 D Quarter in PLYMPTON ST. MARY UNION Volume 05B Page 226
There's also a daughter born to this couple in the first quarter of 1876 and they can be found on the 1881 census
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Mary Elizabeth PETHERBRIDGE bapt 24 Apr 1873 at Wolborough, dau of Mary of Union House.
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Hi My head is spinning a bit really. LOL.
To recap! On the 1881 Census I'm looking at now there is RICHARD Mills with wife Frances nee Petherbridge and Granddaughter Mary Elizabeth Petherbridge! Correct!
So does that possibly mean that the mother of this child baptised 24 April 1873 is the SAME mother to Sidney George Petherbridge (Blank) who was born/baptised in the Workhouse also in Devon in 1880, who came to Australia possibly as KINCH.
Does Mary P? MILLS show up in the 1881 Census as Mills/Pertherbridge as she married the guy William Henry KINCH in 1883. Hope we can sort this out, really twisted isn't it!!
Thanks everyone for your help. Kindest regards Dianna
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Timeline so far:-
Mary Maria A Petherbrige b 1856 to Frances Petherbridge
1861 Census Mary Alice Maria P aged 4 G.Daughter of Mary and William 14 People in the home
1863 Frances married Richard MILLS
1871 Census Richard, Frances and Mary P? MILLS living together
1874 Mary Elizabeth PETHERBRIDGE bapt 24 Apr 1873 at Wolborough, dau of Mary of Union House.
1877 Newspaper report re William UGLOW not paying child support! Re Mary/Alices daughter
1880 Sidney George Petherbridge b in Newton Abbot Workhouse
1881 Census Sidney with the Hawkins family as a Nurse child
1882 William H. KINCH and Mary/Alice marry!
1883 Emmigrate to Australia
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PETHBRIGE, ANNIE GERTRUDE
Q2 1875
NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 127
I think this might the child - I looked for her birth yesterday but missed it with that spelling.
This child Annie dies in Sept quarter 1876, age 1+ in Newton Abbot
We know that Mary came to Australia in 1883 with only 1 child, so it is probable that the other was either dead or living elsewhere. You would think if an 8 yr old child was living it would be with her.
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PETHBRIGE, ANNIE GERTRUDE
Q2 1875
NEWTON ABBOT Volume 05B Page 127
I think this might the child - I looked for her birth yesterday but missed it with that spelling.
This child Annie dies in Sept quarter 1876, age 1+ in Newton Abbot
We know that Mary came to Australia in 1883 with only 1 child, so it is probable that the other was either dead or living elsewhere. You would think if an 8 yr old child was living it would be with her.
The newspaper item was dated 1874 regarding William UGLOW owing child support, so an 1875 birth registration cannot be correct. The child MAry Elizabeth may have been shown in 1881 with her grandparents Richard & Susan UGLOW in Denbury, Newton Abbot. The UGLOWs had a son William showing in the 1871 census.
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HI Thanks I have the newspaper item dated 1877 re Uglow. I will see if I can find the actual details of that item in the newspaper. Also I agree the other child should be with Mary and William KINCH you would think if alive!! I will see exactly which paper that item was in and details if I can. Dianna
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Great, I don't have access to any British newspapers to see 1874 or 1877 reports.
If the missing child is Mary E Uglow - looks like she kept that name, and was adopted by the Uglow family
1911 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW67-XBT
death 1955 Canterbury Kent
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Hi
I will just add these snips to the mix in case they have future relevance.
I doubt they are very helpful
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/
Item: KINCH, William Henry (archivessearch.qld.gov.au)
Wm Henry insolvent as a plasterer in 1889
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/
Item: BLANK, Sidney George (Criminal) (shorthand) (archivessearch.qld.gov.au)
Sidney George BLANK had a court appearance in Qld in March 1929.
I include this death because perhaps Alice/Mary/Maria, if travelling with her son may revert to the same surname as his and the one he continued to use.
Death
Alice BLANK
b. about 1857
Died at Yarrawonga, Victoria in 1899
Reg. 7981
Yarrawonga is on the Vic/NSW border. Probably about 200 kilometers south of Wagga Wagga where Sid's first marriage was.
Sue
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Hi Sue thanks very much for the extra information. I will follow up on this, hopefully something comes of it. I have S.G. BLANK living in Bankstown NSW from 1928-1933 on the Sands directory, if that is SIDNEY GEORGE I'm not sure. I have to get his son Lloyds birth certificate as he was born in 1930, pretty sure in/around Bankstown. No father on Lloyds birth certificate I was told, will follow up on that too.
Very interested in the Court appearance though, there cannot be THAT many Sidney George BLANKS around surely. Kind regards Dianna
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Hi again Sue, what does the shorthand in brackets refer to?? Thanks Dianna
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Hi Sue I found the court case for Sid in Trove, doesn't seem to be him I don't think! Will this link work for you??
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/118472961?searchTerm=sidney%20george%20blank%201929
Dianna
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https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/
Item: KINCH, William Henry (archivessearch.qld.gov.au)
Wm Henry insolvent as a plasterer in 1889
https://www.archivessearch.qld.gov.au/
Item: BLANK, Sidney George (Criminal) (shorthand) (archivessearch.qld.gov.au)
Sidney George BLANK had a court appearance in Qld in March 1929.
YEs I noticed those too.
The court case is for a lad of 18 years - so I discounted it.
Death
Alice BLANK
b. about 1857
Died at Yarrawonga, Victoria in 1899
Reg. 7981
I think that death in Vic is interesting and something for Dianna to follow up on.
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Dianna , do you mind telling us the names of the witnesses on the Wagga Wagga marriage certificate?
Sue
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The witness's are Samuel John CASTLE and E.S.ROACH. I don't know what I have already mentioned about the Marriage cert but it say's that Sidney George BLANK'S father was a Plasterer, both Alice and Henry Stockman Blank deceased. Both Sid and wife Beatrice were residents of WAGGA WAGGA. Sid born Devonshire, England
Dianna
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Some rambling thoughts here.
Burton and Gertrude AVES the parents of Beatrice AVES were in Wagga in 1911 when a son was born there. Arthur.
The following and previous births had been in other parts of NSW.
Beatrice would be 15/16 at that time and possibly stayed behind in Wagga when her parents moved on.
Their next child seems to be born at Manilla.
Sue
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Hi everyone received this today and I'm now just waiting for Henry S. BLANKS death certificate:-
Mary Maria Pethybridge made complaint that William Uglow, who had been adjudged the father of her little girl and ordered to pay 2s 6d per week towards its support, had failed to do so for 36 weeks, and in addition to that there was a balance due of 2s 6d towards the costs. Defendant did not then appear, but a warrant was issued and before the court rose he was present, having been fetched from his work, and was sent to prison for 6 weeks.
The newspaper is Western Times 26 June 1874. Will keep you posted.
ALSO:- Mary Elizabeth b 1873 is with her grandparents in 1881 (the Mills).
I think that in 1891, she is 'Bessie' with 2 daughters: Alice Maud b 1889 and Ellen b1890.
Ellen is registered with the middle names 'Lavinia Venus' and there is a marriage in 1898 of a Mary Elizabeth Petherbridge to a John Albert Venus. Regards Dianna
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Well I never expected this! Unbelievable. Where does this leave the "Kinch" situation??? Wow
Registration Number 06536
Date of Death 7 MAY 1896
Place of Death HOSPITAL, JERILDERIE
Name HENRY STOCKMAN BLANK
Occupation LABOURER
Sex MALE
Age 36
Cause of Death PULMONARY PHTHISIS, ASTHENIA
Duration 9 MONTHS
Medical Attendant/Last Seen A.C. ROBINSON 7 MAY 1896
Father CHARLES BLANK
Father's Occupation CAB PROPRIETOR
Mother - Maiden Name MARY JANE STOCKMAN
Informant ALICE BLANK, WIFE, BOLTON STREET, JERILDERIE;
REGISTERED 27 MAY 1896, JERILDERIE
When Buried 8 MAY 1896
Where CEMETERY, JERILDERIE
Undertaker E. BROOKS
Minister JOHN DYKES
Religion PRESBYTERIAN
Witnesses GEORGE HIRD, F. BROOKS
Where born TORQUAY, ENGLAND
Length of time in Colony 3 YEARS QUEENSLAND, 2 YEARS VICTORIA, 8 YEARS NSW
Place Married NEWTON ABBOT, ENGLAND
Age at Marriage 21
Spouse ALICE PETHERBRIDGE
Children of Marriage SYDNEY GEORGE 15, LIVING.
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Yippeeee! :D
I have had a feeling we were going to get some information from his death certificate.
So I am thinking the death certificate for Alice Blank in Victoria should be your next investment.
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I think it would be useful for someone with access to Ancestry to trace Henry Blank (and Alice) through the PO directories and electoral rolls to try to pin point where and when they were in QLD, NSW and VIC.
My imaginings: Henry comes up from NSW to Queensland in search of his son Sid and Mary Alice Kinch. The three of them eventually go off together, running away to Victoria (and eventually NSW), and Mary changes her name to Alice so she could not be traced so easily. She could not marry Henry Blank as she was already married to William H. Kinch. They would however behave as if they were a married couple, and she called herself Alice Blank. As William Kinch had been abandoned by his wife, he partnered with Naomi Parsons, had a child with her, and finally married her once he knew his wife Mary Alice had died.
What a great movie this would make!
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Wow that's a great scenario. Hope theres a book deal in it somewhere. LOL. What I really need to find back in Devon at the moment is the actual baptismal record of either/both Sidney George Pethybridge (Blank) to see if the mothers middle name "Alice" is mentioned at all. Or Mary Maria A PETHERBRIDGE'S baptismal record is listed with the middle name added "Alice" with the mum Frances Petherbridge.
I have looked on familysearch but can't find any baptismal records there. I could be really helpful.
As to electoral rolls here they begin on ancestry in 1903! If Alice died before 1901 when women could vote, well I'm out of luck there. At least I have an really good clue as to where she was living. Which is amazing. So far HENRY S. BLANK has arrived in NSW in 1883 as a single man, so Alice has told some little white lies on his death but that's okay. So tracking his movements may not be easy but will see what is out there!! He may have gone to Victoria on the gold fields?? Who knows. Will see what I can find from local resources here. So much fun chasing these people around. Regards Dianna
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I broadly agree with the possibilities in Neale's hypothesis.
I note also that both Henry Stockman and Alice died young and the cause of Henry's death was wasting away due to tuberculosis.
Makes me think they were both stricken with the same cause of early death.
Sue
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1856 baptism at Holne Parish Church: 14 September - Mary Maria Alice dau of Frances Henday PETHERBRIDGE of Staddicombe.
Frances Handay PETHERBRIDGE bapt 5 Jun 1823 at Cornwood, dau of William & Mary.
Frances HENDAY PETHERBRIDGE had banns called in 1846 to a Robert PORTEOUS but didn't marry him. However, in 1863 she married Richard MILLS at Holne.
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Hi Everyone I have just received the death certificate for the ALICE BLANK that died in Victoria and it is really useless. Well at least I know. No parents, child, husband, place of birth. Grrrrrr! Let's hope that's NOT the Alice I need. Moving right along.
I found out a little bit more on the "BLANKS" Devon. Looks like the Grandfather of Henry Stockman Blank is George possibley b c 1807 in Slatpton, Devon wife Mary Ann! George seems to be deceased by the 1861 Census as Mary Ann Blank is a widow. When you look at the 1861 Census I can see name patterns and the occupation of Plasterer seems to be common with the family.
Also with the other side. Bishops transcripts have a WILLIAM PETHERBRIDGE marrying a MARY ANN HENDY in 1806. Frances Hendy Petherbridges parents. Mum to Mary Maria Alice P.
Just looking and comparing the 1881 Census with the occupation of Charles John BLANK as a Coachman! how does that compare with Cab Proprietor on Henry's death certificate.
Another thought, if I did order the marriage of Mary M.A Petherbridge to William Kinch, if Mary did not know here father??? What would be possibly on her marriage certificate. Richard MILLS the stepfather????? Not sure.
Alice must have known a lot/enough about her "Hubby" Henry to be able to give the information for that death certificate which is very thorough. Some progress with the tree BUT have gaps to fill if not will just have to put "probable and possible" in the tree. LOL hope everyone is well! Kindest regards Dianna
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I do think that death certificate for Alice will be right - but unfortunately when she died there was no-one who knew her family background to give the detail for the death record.
I had a look at the Blank family too - see if mine below tallies with yours. Note that Charles John Blank was a coachman in early census but had changes to cab proprietor in later ones.
William BLANK (b. 1757 Chivelstone - parents are Joseph and Jane; d.1825) and Johanna MORTIMORE (b.1762; d.1849)
married 27 Aug 1782 Slapton Devon
• William BLANK 1782 Blackawton
• Jane 1784 Blackawton
• Richard 1785 Blackawton
• Joanna 1787 Slapton
• Thomas BLANK 1790 Slapton
• Sarah BLANK 1792 Slapton
• Mary Ann BLANK 1794 Slapton
• John BLANK 1796 Slapton
• Joseph BLANK 1798 Slapton
• Nicholas BLANK 1800 Slapton
• Elizabeth BLANK 1802 Slapton
• Betty BLANK 1803 Slapton
• George BLANK 1807 Slapton/Blackawton
George BLANK (Servant / post boy) bapt 13 Sept 1807 Slapton/Blackawton & Mary Ann ?Parsons?
Married 1 March 1836 Exeter
• Lydia J. BLANK 1851 Torquay
• Robert P. BLANK 1849 Torquay
• Frederick W. BLANK 1847 Torquay
• Henry A BLANK 1844 Torquay
• Matilda E BLANK 1842 Torquay
• George Nicholas BLANK bapt. 18 Nov 1838 Teignmouth; d. 1914; mar. Louisa EARL
• Charles John BLANK (coachman / cabdriver) bapt 26 Feb 1837 West Teignmouth Devon; d.1901 Plymouth
Charles John BLANK
1860 Newton Abbot - Married to Mary Jane STOCKMAN b. abt. 1843 Torquay
o Harry Stockman BLANK 1861
o Jessie Elena BLANK 1863
o ? Female 1866
o Bertie BLANK 1869
o Frank BLANK 1872
o Charles BLANK 1874
1871 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5T9-RZ4
1901 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSWV-99S
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Wonderful!! Thanks for that. I assume that the William BLANK and family is from the 1841 Census. I never got that far, so thanks for that!
Wow the exact description of Cab Proprietor is on the Census for Charles J. BLANK. Even though that is the 1901 Census and Henry died in 1896. I think that the families may have had some contact with each other between Devon and Australia. I think I can add William and Johanna MORTIMORE to the tree with confidence!!
When I saw the surname PARSON'S re possibly Mary Ann Parson's my first thought was the NAOMI PARSONS here in Qld, that William HINCH married. I thought don't tell me they are connected. LOL I'm sure Parson's is a fairly common name though. Many thanks again. Dianna
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Dianna,
Would you mind typing up all the details of the DC of Alice BLANK.
I do understand it offers you no useful information, but we would still be interested in all the small details please.
It sounds almost as if she sort of wandered in to Yarrawonga!
Sue
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Found a few baptisms to William and Johanna here.
www.our4bears.net/parishes/Blackawton/Blackawton_bap.htm.
Hi Sue yes I will type it all up. No worries. I don't think I can just copy it here! All good. Thanks
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That's right.
Whole documents are not permitted in postings, but where there are questions of deciphering, snips are allowed.
Sue
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When and where died:- 21st June 1899 Yarrawonga Shire of Yarrawonga County, looks like Moira?
Name and Surname/Profession:- Alice BLANK Domestic Servant
Sex and Age:- Female 42 years
Cause of Death etc:- Pneumonia, Cardiac Arrest, 5 day's, S? A HEPWORTH medical attendant saw her on the 21st June 1899
Mother and Father:- Not Known
Informant:- Stephen J. BOWLES Authorised (?) Yarra (?)
Registrar:- John Maxwell McKay 22 June 1899 Yarrawonga
When and Where buried:- 23 June Yarrawonga Cemetery
Buried by/Undertaker S.J. BOWLES
Reverend G SWAN, minister, Church of England
Where born:- NOT KNOWN
If deceased was married:- NOT KNOWN.
No provision on this certicate for mention of any children. Not helpful at all.
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MOIRA is the county! Just thinking about this death certificate now! Why didn't Sid give the information?? Where was he?? How did the S J BOWLES know Alice was a 42 year old Domestic Servant?? OR did that piece of information come from the doctor!!
Did Alice die in the home she was a D. Servant in??? No address just Town!!! Who was she working for. The doctor must have seen her somehwere!! Her home??? Grrrrrr! Will send an email to Yarrawonga, there maybe something in a newspaper that is not available on TROVE, I doubt it BUT you never know. Should be doing this housework but this is too much fun. Dianna
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A couple of thoughts...
Sid would have been 19 at this stage, so off on his own working, maybe not even living near his mother.
S J Bowles is both the informant and undertaker. He probably didn’t know her, he was just doing his job.
She may have been employed as a live-in domestic.
Someone knew just her age and her employment - possibly her employer, so maybe she had not been long in the area.
I feel the post office directories might answer some questions. I don’t have Ancestry at the moment or I would be looking through the directories.
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Hi Thanks so much for your thoughts. Will try and find more information, maybe not much else out there. Shame she would not be on any electoral rolls etc. Too early. Anyway onwards and upwards. Dianna
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No provision on this certicate for mention of any children. Not helpful at all.
The section children of deceased is the last column on the document.
Do you mean to say that column is missing?
Sue
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I think it may be worth a call or email here to the Yarrawonga Cemetery Trust.
You have her exact death date which may make a search of records, if they exist, a bit easier.
There are costs involved in burial and there may be an indication of who paid and from whence the remains were collected.
She had been ill for days. Where? :-\
https://australiancemeteries.com.au/vic/moira/yarrawonga.htm
Sue
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".. It seems that Sid and Beatrice did not stay together too long as they both moved on to other partners..."
What do you know about Beatrice after the 1914 marriage....where do you see her next?
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Hi Sorry I made a mistake yesterday with the "Column" for the child/children of marriage. It is there on her death certificate BUT of course. No Sid there. Yes that would be a good idea to contact the cemetery. Someone had to pay for the funeral didn't though, even a very simple funeral costs money.
With Beatrice Aves/Blank/Fisher. I will gather what I have this morning.
Just another little snippet of information sent to me this morning:-
Frances Hendy Petherbridge:
Baptism 05 Jun 1823
Bastardy order against Henry Parkhouse 11 April 1857
Marriage with Richard Mills 17 Nov 1863
Could this Bastardy order have something to do with the birth of Mary M. Alice Petherbridge! Hopefully will find more detail on this. Many thanks Dianna
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Re Beatrice and Sid:-
Sydney George BLANK on the 1913 Electoral Roll in Old Junee/Cootamundra labourer.
1914 Marriage Wagga Wagga
BLANK George Frederick John baptised 21 February 1916, parents: Sydney George & Beatrice, Junee Register. * This child is not on the NSW BDM for birth or death. I've had to send an email to Canberra where the record is apparently held.
I looked on Electoral rolls for Beatrice BLANK. Nothing found as yet
1921 Joyce Blank born 1st June Paddington NSW parents/details on birth certificate:- Father Sidney George BLANK and Miriam CAMPEL. No marriage details on this!
1923 Sidney Henry George born May to Sidney George BLANK and mother?? BEATRICE MURIEL AVES??? and on this birth certificate Sid as the informant has put the details of the marriage here! As appears on the actual marriage certificate. Living at 2 Amelia St. Waterloo.
Strange! I think Sid has just put her name as mother! As I can't see he and Beatrice having a child together when he has just had a child in 1921 to Muriel. * Death record for this boy as Sidney George Blank in 1943 has parents Miriam and Sid, they are all buried together.
1928 May born in Bankstown, the mother Miriam gave the information. She stated that her and Sid were married 25th May 1920 in Wagga Wagga NSW. Previous issue, Hazel (this is Joyce it seems) and Sidney. Living in Bankstown.
The Sands Directory has BLANK S.G. living in Bankstown 1928-1933.
Beatrice BLANK married Frederick Nathanial FISHER in 1942 as a "Widow", she died in 1949. Sydney Morning Herald Jan 5 notice was in the paper.
Beatrice FISHER died Jan 3 1949, beloved wife of Frederick and dear mother of Frederick John etc. No other children mentioned here.
So it looks like the Split up was between 1916/17-1920 as Joyce Blank was born JUNE 1921, Sid and Miriam would have been together in c1920!
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The full bastardy order transcription reads!!!! Hope this works, trying to remove the message with full transcript. Blimey. Sorry Dianna
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Looks like you may have a father for Mary Maria Alice.
Bastardy Bonds: Once the parish officials had the name of the presumed father then they would pay him a visit and put him under pressure to marry the mother. If he refused to wed, or could not marry the woman, then he could agree to pay a weekly maintenance for his child, or hand over a lump sum having admitted paternity of the boy or girl. The documents generated in these cases are known as bastardy bonds. There was usually a guarantor required to countersign the bond who would become liable if the father defaulted or ran off. This person was often a relative with money or assets behind them or it may have been the father's employer. (From “The Genealogist”)
Bastardy Bonds: This bond of indemnification or bastardy bond ensured that the father was responsible for the child. The bond indemnified or compensated the parish against any future costs until the child was thirteen years of age or had been apprenticed out. Few men could afford to pay the bond from their own resources, therefore most would have friends or relatives sign as surety on the bond. (From “Kindred Past”)
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Hi Everyone just a little follow up on the whole "Blank/Campbell/Petherbridge research
BLANK George Frederick John baptised 21 February 1916, parents: Sydney George & Beatrice, Junee Register. * This child is not on the NSW BDM for birth or death. I've had to send an email to Canberra where the record is apparently held. This is what has been sent to me:-
Baptised: February 21 1916
Born: June 10 1915
Parents Sydney George and Beatrice
Abode: Old Junee
Profession: Labourer
So! What I'm thinking now is that this George Frederick John BLANK, becomes Frederick John FISHER, son of Beatrice (Aves/Blank/Fisher) and step son of FREDERICK NATHANIEL FISHER. This Frederick died in 1964!! (The son!)
Also I have just been given the birth certificate of LLOYD BLANK. His wife and daughter in law just handed it to me. LOL.
It all connects up as far as I can see really.
Now as for this Frederick Nathaniel FISHER he killed his sister in law in Etheline Adeline NEALON (married name) 1916 and shot his (first!) wife Christina DUNN-FISHER. I couldn't find a marriage for this couple supposedly in PARKES NSW in 1908-10.
They did have a son though. Frederick was committed to 7 years imprisonment at Long Bay Gaol. I don't know if he served the whole sentence though.
Such an interesting story with all it's plots and turns. Hopefully somewhere down the track more will turn up so I can connect the whole William Henry KINCH to Alice BLANK (and Sydney George Blank-Petherbridge).
Also I wanted to wish all of you a wonderful Christmas even though it will be a difficult one with all the restrictions. Stay safe and well!! Kindest regards and MANY thanks for all the wonderful help I have received it has been fantastic. Dianna
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Hi Sorry forgot to add this little bit:- George Frederick John BLANK was christened St Luke's Anglican Church, Junee NSW Baptisms.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37599165?searchTerm=FREDERICK%20NATHANIEL%20fisher%201916
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/15636238?searchTerm=FREDERICK%20NATHANIEL%20FISHER
A little light reading for you!! Regards Dianna
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Hi Dianna. Thanks for the up-date.
It was all making sense, until you mentioned Lloyd Blank - who does he belong to, when born?
By the way, are you aware there are 3 files for Frederick Nathaniel Fisher in the NSW Sate Archives - including one with photos. Looks as if he also used the name "Joseph Francis Fisher".
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Hi. Sorry wasn't sure if I mentioned Lloyd Blank before. He is the last son born to Sidney George BLANK with Miriam Campbell. Grandson to Henry Stockman Blank and Alice etc. PETHERBRIDGE (KINCH???) I will look at that again re Joseph Francis Fisher, I didn't see that.
Saw the photos though re the gaol conviction. Wish there were more records around like that for the rest of the family. LOL. Many thanks Dianna
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Hi Dianna,
I think you are probably correct on the story of George Frederick John (Nee BLANK) and his name change.
He is buried at French's Forest Cemetery aged 47/8 so giving the same birth date as the son of Beatrice and Sidney.
Interesting a Anglican baptism and a Roman Catholic burial.
Sue
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Hi Everyone and a Happy New Year!! Like to keep everyone updated on the BLANK research LOL. I've decided to firstly order the birth certificate of SIDNEY GEORG PETHERBRIDGE in Newton Abbot. May be interesting to see what it say's.
He is the only logical candidate that I can see to link up with the Sidney here in NSW.
From there may order the marriage of the KINCH'S William Henry and Mary Petherbridge just to see (out of curiosity) what it say's.
I've contacted by email the Devonshire Family History society just in case they have some records on the family but have received no replies as yet. Anyway onwards and upwards and will let you know what I find out. Thanks to everyone for all of your help. Kindest regards Dianna
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Thank you for the update.
While you are waiting for certificates, I wonder if you might follow my suggestion in Reply#86 .
Contact the Yarrawonga Cemetery Trust
https://australiancemeteries.com.au/vic/moira/yarrawonga.htm
There just might be another clue on their records. ;)
Sue
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Hi Sue thanks, I did as you suggested and contacted the President of the society, there are no more details held on Alice BLANK re burial/funeral Maybe no one knows where to look!! So annoying that Alice BLANK has me stumped!! The reply I received as follows:-
Hi Dianna,
Sorry I can add no further information. There is no headstone on her grave and she is not buried with anyone.
Regards
Jan Parker
PS: I am also Secretary/Treasurer of the Yarrawonga & District Cemetery Trust (end of emai)
Wish there was something else I could try. I thought of purchasing the death or marriage certificate of her hubby William KINCH to see if she was mentioned!!! Many thanks Dianna
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I thought of purchasing the death or marriage certificate of her hubby William KINCH to see if she was mentioned!!! Many thanks Dianna
That might be worth a shot, Dianna.
I am not surprised there was nothing forth coming from the Cemetery Trust. There was no grave marker/ headstone showing on the Find-a-grave-site which appears to have photographed that cemetery. I'm afraid she died in a place where she was unknown, and the cheapest burial possible was arranged - so no headstone.
Look forward to hearing what comes of the English registrations when they arrive.
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I am not surprised there was nothing forth coming from the Cemetery Trust. There was no grave marker/ headstone showing on the Find-a-grave-site which appears to have photographed that cemetery. I'm afraid she died in a place where she was unknown, and the cheapest burial possible was arranged - so no headstone.
Look forward to hearing what comes of the English registrations when they arrive.
Hi
In my experience, the records held by cemetery trusts do frequently entail more than is available online. The particulars are often in hand-written ledgers which are not part of any digitisation process. I have had more than one time when the trustee turned the pages as I waited in the phone!
Absence of headstone is not an indication that there are no further details available. The commissioning of a headstone was a very expensive exercise.
Bad luck on this occasion, but one needs to delve wherever possibilities lie.
Sue
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Hi
Sue I will try and think of someone (somewhere) else I can contact re Alice BLANK. I may give the Victorian State Archives/library etc a go. As you say it is best to check absolutely every resource. Just because Jan Parker does not have further information does not mean that there isn't any, I agree.
Will do some more digging so to speak and really need to find out more information on Alice if and where possible. Poor thing seems to have just been forgotten. Anyway thanks for the constant encouragement and advice. Much appreciated with this twisted tale.
Also while I am on the subject of the Blank family where if (anywhere) would it be possible to find the baptismal record for Sidney George BLANK b 1880 in Newton Abbot (workhouse).
Cant wait to see his birth certificate I know it may have very little information especially re his Dad but anything is better than nothing I guess. I may be here until Christmas 2021 trying to sort this out. LOL
Dianna
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Absence of headstone is not an indication that there are no further details available. The commissioning of a headstone was a very expensive exercise.
Bad luck on this occasion, but one needs to delve wherever possibilities lie.
Sue
Sue, I thought you offered very good advice (as always). It was not my intention to dismiss it, and I am sorry if my last post read that way. That was not my intention. After seeing what was on the death cert, I was not holding out a lot of hope that the cemetery would answer Dianna's questions.
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Hi All,
No problems Neale :)
The local historical Society at Yarrawonga looks to be fairly active.
I wonder if there might be a local Yarrawonga and surrounds newspaper from the era which may mention Alice's death.
It would be a fairly simple search for someone as you have the dates.
https://www.historyvictoria.org.au/directory/listing/yarrawonga-mulwala-historical-society-inc.
I would also inquire about funeral director Records.
Sue
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Hi it looks like the yarrawonga-mulwala hist. soc. opens again on Jan 11.
Will send them an email as you say they may have local information especially newspapers that have not been digitised or available through Trove. Worth a shot I guess.
I will have to study the local area as well to see what properties/industry etc were around the district. If Alice was buried in Yarrawonga she most probably worked on/for one of the local families. Could have been miners/farmers.
I need to back track to Jerilderie as well as Alice was living there then in Bolton St. as the "wife" of Henry S. Blank. How/why she ended up in Victoria is a mystery. Will keep digging away I guess. Thanks Dianna
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"Even before the coming of the railway in 1886, Yarrawonga township had two banks, four hotels, three churches, several stores, a school (1876),a newspaper and two flour mills. The district boasted that it grew some of the best wheat in Australia. In 1891 a second newspaper was published, hotels numbered six and town water was reticulated."
Seeing as Alice died in 1899 there maybe a snippet somewhere in these newspapers somewhere. she and Henry could have been back and forth between there and Jerilderie/NSW he died in 1896 and she in 1899. Hmmm! See what comes of an enquiry to the historical society because I have only been speaking with the Yarrawonga Family History "Group" not the society. D
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Hi Everyone I have just received this morning the birth record of Sidney George Petherbridge (aka Blank). Of course there is NO father listed (as to be expected) and it say's that the mother is Mary Maria Petherbridge (name Alice not included) and she was living in the Newton Abbot Union Workhouse. Sidney was born First April 1880 and registered on the Thirtieth of April so Mary M. A? was there for at least that time.
I've contacted the Devon Archives and they said that they would not be able to take on the research until March because of the lockdown.
The below in response to my email to the Archives
"We do have the register of births for Newton Abbot workhouse for the period in which you are interested (reference: 6223A/UR/2)
We also hold the Newton Abbot Bastardy order book (reference: R2361A/0/Z/1)."
Hopefully they will be able to find some more details on Mary M. Petherbridge whilst she was there, when did she leave??? Was there any details as to why she was there?? Anyway will have to wait and see I guess!! Thanks Dianna
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Thanks for the update. March is not too far away. :)
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Hi Everyone
I finally decided to order the KINCH/PETHERBRIDGE marriage certificate. I realise it may not contain the information I need but feel I need to have it just in case. It wont be sent until the 14th of December from the UK.
Also does anyone know if there are volunteers who look at records in the Devonshire records office for
Register of births for Newton Abbot workhouse for the period in which you are interested (reference: 6223A/UR/2) WOULD I NEED THIS IF I ALREADY HAVE SIDNEY PETHERBRIDGES BIRTH CERTIFICATE??
The Newton Abbot Bastardy order book (reference: R2361A/0/Z/1). THIS COULD BE INTERESTING RE THE WILLIAM UGLOW STORY???
Would it be worthwhile following his story/information at all??
There costs are 37 pounds for an hours research!! Hmmm! Not sure if I can afford to do that just now.
I have the 4 newspaper reports which is great BUT need more details on hopefully Mary Alice PETHERBRIDGE and what was the outcome?? Where there court appearances for those years between 1873-7.
Anyway thought I would just touch base with everyone. Hope this finds you all well! Kind regards Dianna
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HI Everyone
Just to finish off! I have just received the long anticipated marriage record for Mary Maria Alice PETHERBRIDGE and WILLIAM HENRY KINCH on the 16th of JULY 1882, she is a 25 year old Spinster living in Temperance Street Torquay FATHER:- William PETHERBRIDGE, Occupation FARMER, deceased. This would be her Grandad, Father of her mum Frances Hendy Petherbridge.
William Henry Kinch was a 29 year old Plasterer also living in Temperance St Torquay. So from here I'm not sure what else can be checked! Was Mary using the name KINCH before she married him, where they living together. Not sure anyway that's that I guess. Been a lot of fun. Many thanks Dianna
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Thanks for coming back to finish off with last bit of detail - of interest for those who remember this thread started over a year ago.
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Hi Neale Thanks it has taken some time hasn't it! All good though. I may do some more checking on Aunts and Uncles of Mary Alice Petherbridge, there sure were a few of them. Take care. Best wishes to all on this thread. Dianna