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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: swissancestor on Saturday 12 December 20 15:41 GMT (UK)
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I'm trying to find the birth records for James Wood. He was a coal miner in New Hartley Northumberland who was born born between 1830 and 1833. The census records for New Hartley between 1851 and 1891 show his birthplace as Scotland but no more detail than that. He was married in 1861 to Mary Anne Lloyd, his fathers name is given as Robert Wood. I've looked at the Scottish census information and the few matches I've found show the individuals have either emigrated to the USA or have remained in Scotland. The closest match is for a family in Ayton Berwickshire, or a family in Roxborough but in both cases the individuals seem to be in Scotland in 1851 when James Wood is first recorded in the New Hartley census. I'm wondering if its possible that the family still registers James Wood as living in Scotland even though he has moved to England.
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There are three with those characteristics bpt 1829-1834
14 April 1832, Ayton
James son of Robert Wood and Sarah Forrester **** you have this one
30 July 1833, Old Machar (Aberdeen)
James son of Robert Wood and Agnes Smith
1 Dec 1833 Melrose
James Wood son of Robert Wood and Jane Drummond
Of these, I would think that the ones from Aytoon or Melrose would be the most likely
What were the names of any children?
Gadget
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I assume the Melrose baptism is the Roxburgh one
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Just one small point the one from Melrose had a middle name.
JAMES ROBERT WOOD
ROBERT WOOD/JANE DRUMMOND
01/12/1833 Melrose
Colin
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Extending the dates, there are 3 more :
6 March 1836 Newton on Ayr - was once a coal mining area
son of Robert Wood and Charlotte Douglas
23 Dec 1838 Wemyss
son of Robert Wood and Jean Davidson
add - ColC - I think the OP has discounted the Melrose one
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He was married in 1861 to Mary Anne Lloyd
Should this be Mary Ann Laws ?
Looking at FreeBMD and the 1861 Census James is with a Laws family(with a Mary Ann Laws age 22) ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7VK-MB9
ev
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Swissancestor - what occupation was given for Robert on the Marriage cert?
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Marriage ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6G2-KXK
ev
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One tree on Ancestry suggests he was born in Ayton, Berwickshire. He is on the 1841 census there age 9, with his mother Sarah age 35 and 5 siblings but no Robert senior. However James age 18 is still there with his mother and sister Fanny. So it is unlikely to be the correct James.
Colin
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Marriage ?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N6G2-KXK
ev
Swear words the St Nicholas records (full entry) only go to 1855 on FS
Add - must be Laws, ev, as he's lodging with the Laws family in 1861
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1841 Clackmae, Melrose, Roxburghshire
WOOD Robert 45 Farmer OUC
WOOD Jane 40 OUC
WOOD Euphemia 20 OUC
WOOD Jane F 20 OUC
WOOD Mary F 15 OUC
WOOD James 7 ROX
Colin
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Colin - did you not see this?
The closest match is for a family in Ayton Berwickshire, or a family in Roxborough but in both cases the individuals seem to be in Scotland in 1851 when James Wood is first recorded in the New Hartley census. I'm wondering if its possible that the family still registers James Wood as living in Scotland even though he has moved to England.
Add - family on the 1851 census - Clackmae, Melrose
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Yes sorry Mary Ann Laws is correct married at St Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne 6 May 1861. Unfortunately I don't have his Fathers profession.
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Colin - 1851 for James is HO107/2412/395/17
swissancestor - could you obtain the marriage cert. It might give the info that you need.
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Yes regard marriage certificate should narrow things down. As James is shown in the New Hartley census for 1851 I was hoping to narrow down the options, I'm assuming the Scottish census was taken at a similar time ?
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I've just checked up on the Newton on Ayr one but he's also there in 1851 and 1861.
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This James is also with his family in 1841 & 1851
30 July 1833, Old Machar (Aberdeen)
James son of Robert Wood and Agnes Smith
Colin
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"The census records for New Hartley between 1851 and 1891 show his birthplace as Scotland"
Try as I might I cannot find the 1851 census mentioned above?
1861 as posted before no problem.
Colin
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Try as I might I cannot find the 1851 census mentioned above?
Colin
It's there, Colin. Cowpen Square, Cowpen. Household of a Robert Smith
1851 for James is HO107/2412/395/17
Add - not exactly New Hartley but close by.
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Yes , that was the one I had looked at -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG63-VVT
Swear words the St Nicholas records (full entry) only go to 1855 on FS
Gadget , I'm sure I've used them all over the years ;D
ev
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Just a thought ~
I see that the head of household was a Robert (Smith). If James was possibly illegitimate, might he give a name that he knew. The vicar/clerk would have probably asked 'father's name? and he might have just replied Robert.
I've seen this a few times but there's no real name of proving it :-\
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There's a family in Tranent, Haddington/East Lothian that might be him
Robert Wood, 55, b. Ireland
Elisabeth, 34, b. do
James 11, b. East Lothian
Salley, 7, b do
John, 4, b do
Thomas, 1, b. do
James is not with the family in 1851. They are living Coal Nook (?), Tranent. Robert given as a Hawker, earthenware
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It is probably Coal Neuk Tranent as there is a street called Coal Neuk Court there today.
suzilad
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https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59030596e9379091b147053d/thomas-wood-1861-east-lothian-tranent-1841-?locale=en
Not sure if this is the same family in 1861 that Gadget found , but note Thomas(son) is a coal miner.
ev
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It looks like the same family, ev. This is them in 1851. It looks as if Elizabeth became Bridget between censuses!
https://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=bridget
1851
Coal Nook/Neuk, Tranent
Robert Wood, 60, Hawker, earthenware b. Ireland
Elisabeth, 48, b. do
Sarah,16, b Tranent
John, 13, b do
Thomas, 11, b. do
Gadget
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By 1871 Thomas is married
Tranent
Thomas Wood, 29, coal miner, b Tranent
Ann, 30, wife, b. do
and in 1881 they are in Fowler Street, Tranent
Gadget
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I do hope this might be the family!
Marriage 4 Nov 1864 Church of Scotland, Tranent
Thomas Wood, 23 or 25, coal miner, father - Robert Wood, china merchant , mother - Elizabeth Wood, MS Dailly (dec)
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Ann MacLean, 30, servant and outworker, father ?MacLean, Ag Lb, (dec) , mother [ Elizabeth ?Copp
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Death - 22 March 1863, Tranent 6.30 pm
Elizabeth Wood, 61, married to Robert Wood, china merchant
father - John Dailly, ag lab (dec), mother - Mary Dailly MS Dailly, (dec)
Cause - dropsy, 3 weeks, certified
Informant - Sarah Wood, daughter
Gadget
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Thanks for the inputs, really interesting ideas and another option to look at. I've ordered the marriage certificate so should find Robert Woods profession and hopefully make a connection.
Thanks for all the input, will keep you posted