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Independent Islands => Isle of Man => Isle of Man Lookup Requests => Topic started by: margaret1 on Sunday 13 December 20 06:55 GMT (UK)
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I have a baptism for Thomas Nelson 6 Nov 1796 Rushen with parents Thomas Nelson and Anne Mylvaarntyn.
https://www.imuseum.im/search/agent_record/view?id=mnh-agent-866317&type=agent&tab=all&from=0&term=Mylvaarntyn
The problem is I can't find a marriage for Thomas and Anne nor can I find a baptism for Anne
The only other child I can find for this couple is Jane Nelson Bapt. 16 Jun 1799 Rushen with parents Thos Nelson and Ann Mollyvaartyn.
https://www.imuseum.im/search/agent_record/view?id=mnh-agent-866697&type=agent&tab=all&from=0&term=Mollyvaartyn
Margaret :)
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In 1821 Thomas Nelson (1796 - 1865 Rushen) married Catharine Crebbin (1795 - 1873 Rushen)
They had 6 children all born in Rushen.
Ann Nelson 1824
Catharine Nelson 1826 - 1896 married John Coole 1818 - 1889 (this is my husband's line)
Thomas Nelson 1829 - 1909 married Jane Kermode 1829 - 1909
John Nelson 1833 - 1871 married Ann Stytch 1834 -1900
Jane Nelson 1836 - 1887 married William Sayle 1833 - ?1915
William Nelson 1840 - 1908 married Margaret Corrin 1844 - 1937
Margaret :)
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Could she be Ann MARTIN??
F/S has a Marriage
13 Aug 1791 Patrick Isle of Man
Thomas NELSON to Ann MARTIN
Thomas of Trinity Rushen Parish and Ann of this Parish
Bachelor/Spinster
(image on F/S.Org)
I see the 2 christenings you mention but there are also these also Rushen to THOMAS/ANN-e Nelson;
JANE 1 April 1793, buried 6 July 1793, Mother as Anne MAKIN
ANN 13 Jan 1805 Mother Ann MAARTON
Trish :)
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Hi Trish,
Thanks so much for your help - the 1791 marriage would certainly fit as would Ann b 1805 Mother Ann Maarton.
I'll dig a bit deeper using this information and post any results.
Margaret :)
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Looks pretty good to me Margaret. Yes let us know what you find :)
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...Possible baptism (F/S) for Thomas Nelson in Rushen 15 May 1769 with parents Thomas Nelson and Isabel Gawn . The witnesses to Thomas and Ann's marriage were John Gawn and John Radcliffe.
Margaret :)
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I'm a descendant of Jane Nelson born 1799. That Mollyvaartyn or Martin surname is still a mystery to me. I haven't done much on this line I've been focused elsewhere but someone sent me the following information:-
Isabel Kermod & Harry Gawn m 14 Nov 1710 Rushen
Isabel Gawn c Sep 1727 m Thomas Nelson 23 May 1747 Rushen
Thomas Nelson c 15 May 1769 Rushen
Blue
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Thank you Blue, I'll research this information further and post the results.
You may be related to my husband - Jane Nelson b1799 was his 5th great aunt. 8)
Margaret :D
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On F/S I found the marriage for Isabel Kermod(e) and Henry (Harry) Gawn and baptisms for 9 children including Isabel Gawn (Bap 17 Sept 1727) plus burial records for Isabel Kermod/Gawn 15 Aug 1745 and Henry Gawn 7 Nov 1751 both Rushen.
I also found the marriage for Isabel Gawn and Thomas Nelson (bap 13 Mar 1725 - parents Thomas Nelson b 1695 and Joney Quark b 1683 Rushen) plus baptisms for their 7 children incl. Thomas Nelson bap 15 May 1769 Rushen.
I'm satisfied that these are the parents and grandparents of our Thomas Nelson, husband of Ann(e) Mollyvaartyn/Mylvaarntyn/Maarton/ Martin.
F/S has baptism for Anne Martin 16 Sept 1764 Patrick IOM with father's name Thomas
Marriage of Thomas Martin and Esther Gell 23 Feb 1754 Patrick
Esther Martin widow of Thomas Martin died 1817 Patrick and left a will dated 12 Dec 1815 naming Ann wife of Thomas Nelson.
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/famhist/willsums/pk1800.htm
Thanks again Blue and Trish .
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Good work. I wonder if the Molly part in Ann Martin's name is a middle name or nickname? Perhaps they thought Molly was like the Manx prefix Myl etc and they sometimes wrote it down as a surname.
Blue
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What a fantastic result by finding that Will.
I am glad I was some help with the confusion over Anns maiden name..
Trish :)
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The images for the Esther Martin of Patrick will are available on Family Search. Text says, "I leave and bequeath unto my daughter Ann wife of Thomas Nelson of KK Christ the sum of ten pounds Manks". Kirk Christ is Rushen so it's definitely right:-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSND-G9F2-Z?cat=233934
Blue
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Good work. I wonder if the Molly part in Ann Martin's name is a middle name or nickname? Perhaps they thought Molly was like the Manx prefix Myl etc and they sometimes wrote it down as a surname.
Blue
Blue, this is an interesting read:
Taken from Manx Surnames by A. W. Moore 1885
"Where the syllable Mac was prefixed to personal names beginning with Giolla (" servant of"), the initial syllables have been frequently contracted into .Myl, the surname MAC GILCHRIST, for instance, becoming MYLCHREEST. Early in the 16th Century the prefix Mac was almost universal; a hundred years later it had almost disappeared."..........A. W. Moore
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v02p044.htm
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v03p083.htm
Below could also be relevant to the surname Martin...
...."MYLVORREY, contracted from MacGiollavorrey, 'the son of Mary's servant,' is also Anglicised into MORRISON, but the original name still survives, though not so common as formerly. Its spelling has proved a great puzzle to the keepers of the Parish Registers, as will be seen from the great variety of forms given below-
...........*MOLLYVORREY [1685], MYLEVOREY [1713], * MOLLYVERREY [1717], *MOLLEYBOIREY [1721], -*MOLLEVORY [1725], MYLWOIREY [1737], *MOLLEBORRY [1740],MYLEVOIREY [1762], MYLVORREY [1763], MYLVOREY [1782], MYLEVOIRREY [1786]."
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v04p130.htm
Margaret
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The images for the Esther Martin of Patrick will are available on Family Search. Text says, "I leave and bequeath unto my daughter Ann wife of Thomas Nelson of KK Christ the sum of ten pounds Manks". Kirk Christ is Rushen so it's definitely right:-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSND-G9F2-Z?cat=233934
Blue
Great find - thanks for posting the link.
Margaret
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Good work. I wonder if the Molly part in Ann Martin's name is a middle name or nickname? Perhaps they thought Molly was like the Manx prefix Myl etc and they sometimes wrote it down as a surname.
Blue
Blue, this is an interesting read:
Taken from Manx Surnames by A. W. Moore 1885
"Where the syllable Mac was prefixed to personal names beginning with Giolla (" servant of"), the initial syllables have been frequently contracted into .Myl, the surname MAC GILCHRIST, for instance, becoming MYLCHREEST. Early in the 16th Century the prefix Mac was almost universal; a hundred years later it had almost disappeared."..........A. W. Moore
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v02p044.htm
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v03p083.htm
Below could also be relevant to the surname Martin...
...."MYLVORREY, contracted from MacGiollavorrey, 'the son of Mary's servant,' is also Anglicised into MORRISON, but the original name still survives, though not so common as formerly. Its spelling has proved a great puzzle to the keepers of the Parish Registers, as will be seen from the great variety of forms given below-
...........*MOLLYVORREY [1685], MYLEVOREY [1713], * MOLLYVERREY [1717], *MOLLEYBOIREY [1721], -*MOLLEVORY [1725], MYLWOIREY [1737], *MOLLEBORRY [1740],MYLEVOIREY [1762], MYLVORREY [1763], MYLVOREY [1782], MYLEVOIRREY [1786]."
http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/manxnb/v04p130.htm
Margaret
It's strange that the funny spelling doesn't go back in time I had previously thought it was a Myl or Moll prefix surname but it may be a case of her being Anne Molly Martin and the Molly has been mistaken for part of the surname? My main Manx surname is Mylchreest so I always presumed Molly was a prefix. It's still a bit of a mystery how they came to write that down but I'm happy with Martin being the real surname.
Blue