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Hi there
I've found Henry BRATLEY in census records, and the 1939 Register has has birth date as 14 Feb 1868, but I can't find any birth or baptism records for him.
Can anyone help with this?!
Season's greetings
MJW
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Hi
I can see a Henry bratley born 1868 in Louth on the 1881 census.
GRO has an Albert Henry registered Louth district but it is in September quarter
Jon
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1871 has the same family but Caroline & Henry are listed as Brumpton and grandchildren of David & Mary A Bratley
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Marriage Jun qtr 1848
Bratley David
Brumpton Mary Ann
Louth 14 995
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Grandchildren are obviously related through Mary A (previously Brumpton)
John William Brumpton
Baptism 06 Dec 1863
St Mary, Binbrook
Mother Anne
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Caroline Brumpton
Baptism date 05 Mar 1866
Church St Mary, Binbrook
Mother Emma
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BRUMPTON, HENRY GRUNDY -
GRO Reference: 1868 March Quarter in LOUTH Volume 07A Page 585
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CAROLINE Brumpton Bapt 05 Mar 1866, St Mary, Binbrook, Mother EMMA
JOHN WILLIAM Brumpton Bapt 06 Dec 1863 same Church, Mother ANNE
(FreeREG)
:)
Snap Rosie, had already typed up the above :)
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Emma brumpton born 1843 Stanton.
Anne Brumpton born 1846 South Wellingham.
Taken from 1851 census.
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Deleted confused myself
Emmas possible* 1868 Marriage is in FreeREG, Father WILLIAM Brumpton a Gardener
What a confusion :D
EDIT havent checked Census to confirm this yet
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I am so confused that I am going to get off now!
I think Mary Ann was a Bratley by birth, married William Brumpton 1843 and then David Bratley 1848.
Her Father was a David Bratley also.
She was bapt 26 Feb 1826 to David/Ann, Ann likely nee LEARY married 12 Nov 1821
EDIT 1843 Marriage is on FreeREG
www.freereg.org.uk
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I can't see Henry G(rundy) Brumpton after that 1871 census. There is another Henry Brumpton born the same year bn South Willingham -parents Christopher & Eliza (nee East)
It certainly looks as though he was known as Henry Bratley after the 1871 census. I can't see a baptism in Binbrook registers for a Henry Bratley / Grundy or Brumpton. It looks as though you will need to get that birth certificate
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I agree Rosie Cert needed.
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Did he marry Frances E HIRST Dec 1896 Sheffield?
From Sheffield indexer
Henry Bratley 28 grocer & draper Father named as David Bratley grocer & draper deceased
http://sheffieldindexers.com/ParishMarriageIndex.html
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From Sheffield indexer
Frances Elizabeth Bratley 66 (wife of Harry)
Died at 89 Westbury Street buried 29 July 1940, unconsecrated ground
Grave number 746 section E, Darnell Cemetery
Frances Mary Brately (dau of Henry) age 18 buried 10 October 1918
same cemetery & grave number as her parents
Died at 114 Westbury Street
Henry Grundy Bratley age 79, Porter
Died at Queen Mary Road buried 10 June 1947
Same cemetery & grave as wife and daughter
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From Sheffield indexer
Henry Grundy Bratley age 79, Porter
Died at Queen Mary Road buried 10 June 1947
Same cemetery & grave as wife and daughter
;D. ;D
Thank you Ladyhawk, that does confirm my thoughts on the Henry Grundy Brumpton birth.
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Thanks everyone - good info'!
I have to admit the Brumptons and Bratleys of Binbrook have been driving me do-lally :)
Regards
MJW
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Emma brumpton born 1843 Stanton.
Anne Brumpton born 1846 South Wellingham.
Taken from 1851 census.
Brumpton children shown as step dau/son
1851 c Piece: 2112 Folio: 75 Page Number: 8
David Bratley 27
Mary Bratley 25
Emma Brumpton 8
John Brumpton 7
Anne Brumpton 5
Mary Ann Bartley 3
This is the only birth entry I could find for Emma :-\ FreeBMD has surname as Brumpton
BRAMPTON, EMMA Mmn FLETCHER
1843 D Quarter in LOUTH UNION Volume 14 Page 463
BRUMPTON, JOHN mmn BRATLEY
1844 M Quarter in LOUTH UNION Volume 14 Page 484
BRUMPTON, ANN mmn BRATLEY
1845 S Quarter in LOUTH UNION Volume 14 Page 462
BRATLEY, MARY ANN mmn BRATLEY
1848 D Quarter in LOUTH UNION Volume 14 Page 465
Marriage of Anne
Ann Brumpton Age: 21
Marriage 1866 St. Mary, Binbrook, Lincs, Eng
Father: William Brumpton
Spouse: John Brumpton Robinson father John
1871 Piece: 3405 Folio: 30 Page Number: 5
John Brumpton Robinson 25
Ann Robinson 25
David Robinson 2
Tom Robinson 2/12
James Robinson 17
Emma Brumpton
Marriage 1869 St. Mary, Binbrook, Lincs, Eng
Father: William Brumpton
Spouse: Thomas Hurd father Richard
1871 Piece: 3425 Folio: 63 Page Number: 5
William Cash 24
Mary Ann Cash 24
Elizabeth Cash 0
Emma Hurd 28 Mar. Stainton le Vale, Lincolnshire, Monthly nurse
1891 census Piece: 2609 Folio: 33 page 18
Mary A Bratley Head wid. 67 Stainton le Vale, Lincolnshire
Emma Heid Dau wid. 46 Stainton le Vale, Lincolnshire , sick Nurse
Henry Bratley Grandson 23 Louth, hawker
1901c Piece: 3085 Folio: 22 Page Number: 10
Mary A Bratley 78
Emma Hild (Hurd) 47 monthly nurse sick
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Hi all - I've got Henry Grundy BRUMPTON's birth cert:
Anyone able to help with the location shown in the 'When Born" box, above Louth?
Thanks
MJW
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HOW DO I ATTACH A JPG???
LOL
MJW
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If you go into reply, there is an attachment and other options button at the bottom
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HOW DO I ATTACH A JPG???
LOL
If you go into reply, there is an attachment and other options button at the bottom
If you are still stuck click on the link below (reply 1) from Trystan showing how it works https://www.rootschat.com/links/01q58/
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Hello and thanks.
However, I don't get the file choose/load option - I've tried with Chrome and Edge...
Something wrong with my account maybe?!
MJW
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Hi
You can't post an attachment on a look up requests board.
You can ask an administrator to move your thread to the standard Lincolnshire board.
Or start a new topic in Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition
John
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Hello
I am the Great Granddaughter of Henry Grundy BRATLEY (Brumpton).
You have made quite a lot of progress in figuring out the Bratley /Brumpton family - it is confusing!
What is your connection to HGB?
The following may clarify things.
Henry Grundy Bratley was the illegitimate son of Emma Brumpton (later Hurd/Hird). He was born 14 Feb 1868 at KIDGATE, LOUTH. His birth was registered as BRUMPTON. I have an original copy of his birth certificate issued in 1902. We do not know the name of his father.
Emma Brumpton was the daughter of Mary Ann & William Brumpton. Mary Ann's maiden name was Bratley. Following William's death, Mary Ann married David Bratley. [prepare yourself fo more confusion] Not only was the groom called David Bratley, but the father's of both bride and groom were also David Bratley!
On the 1871 census Henry Grundy BRUMPTON was living in Binbrook in the household of David & Mary Ann BRATLEY where he and Caroline BRUMPTON & John William BRUMPTON were recorded as 'grandchildren'. By 1881 all three children were still in this household but were then called BRATLEY and were listed as children of the head of the household - David BRATLEY.
When Henry Grundy BRATLEY married Frances (Fanny) Elizabeth HIRST in Sheffield in 1896 he gave his father's name as David BRATLEY (deceased) Grocer & Draper. Henry G was now a Grocer & Draper himself and was running the shop in the market place in Binbrook. They lived first in Binbrook but returned to Sheffield a few years later.
Caroline BRUMPTON/BRATLEY was also the daughter of Emma BRUMPTON and so Henry's half sister (or full sister if she shared the same father). Caroline married a NATHANIAL BRATLEY.
John William BRUMPTON/BRATLEY married Fanny HIRST's sister. John was not the son of Emma, but of Ann BRUMPTON and so I believe these men cousins not brothers (unless they shared a father). However, it was always said in the family that 'two brothers married two sisters' . So did they even know their own birth status?
I have much more on the family and we do have a photo of HGB, but that is probably enough for now!
Please do let me know what your interest in HGB is and I hope we will be able to share more info in future.
Karen
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Hi Karen and thanks for responding!
My great grandma was Caroline BRUMPTON, born 1865 so as you say, Henry's elder sister/half-sister. This is Caroline on FAG:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214167407 (https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/214167407)
Do you know where Emma is buried? Are you on Ancestry or Family Search?
Cheers
Martin
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Hi Martin
Delighted to hear from Caroline's side.
Yes Emma died in the Bracebridge Asylum 10 March 1912, but we have been unable to locate her grave. She was most likely buried in the grounds. I have seen her medical records from her admission to and time in the asylum but some are missing.
The poor law records indicated that the Board of Guardians asked Caroline to contribute to her mother's upkeep when she was admitted but Caroline refused because she said her mother had £100 which was being held by a Mr Stocks. When I last visited the archives (2012) the later correspondence was still closed so I could not follow that through.
Does your side of the family have any info on Emma? We have not discovered what happened to her husband Thomas Hurd and despite extensive searches I have never been able to find Emma on the 1881 census. Did they emigrate or hide from the authorities in some way? Did she maintain contact with Caroline up to her death in any way? My sister is desperate to find a photo of Emma.
I can see that you have sent a direct message but I seem unable to reply to that thread. I have not used this forum before, is there a means to communicate directly and then exchange documents if necessary? I have been researching this for close to 40 years so I do have quite a lot of info.
I use both find my past and ancestry but have not uploaded my tree (long story).
I hope this is helpful.
Karen
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Hi Karen - send me an e-mail
moosh at gmx dot co dot uk
Martin
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For future ref Karen the Rootschat PM system activates after 3 posts by new members :)
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Thanks Trish.
It seems this site has a few 'features' that are not obvious!
M
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Hi Karen
I'll try and put my e-mail in here:
moosh@gmx.co.uk but some sites don't allow e-mail addresses in posts.
M