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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: Bathonian on Friday 18 December 20 10:36 GMT (UK)
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Ethel married William Henry Ledster in March 1919 in Swansea. He remarried Annie Beresford in Jan 1943. Does anyone have any information on when she died, and also where she was in 1911, as she wasn't with her family who had moved to Bleangwynfi by then. Many thanks in advance if you can help.
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Are you sure you have the right person
Births Sep qtr 1900
NORMAN Ethel Frances Swansea 11a 922
Deaths Sep qtr 1900
Norman Ethel Frances 0 Swansea 11a 476
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Marriage did not have a middle name for Ethel
Marriages Mar qtr 1919
Ledster William H (Spouse Norman)
Norman Ethel (Spouse Ledster)
Swansea 11a 1554
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Thanks for your replies. I'm beginning to agree with you, what's throwing me is that I can't find any deaths for an Ethel Ledster between the marriage in 1919 and his remarriage to Annie Beresford in 1943, I wouldn't have thought there was more than one William Ledster in the Swansea area. I'll just have to keep digging. >:( >:(
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I assume you don't have a copy of the 1943 marriage as that may state whether he was widowed / divorced.
I can't see Ethel in 1939
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No I don't have a marriage certificate, but in the 1939 register they have William down as married, but the line above him is closed and blacked out. so I assume that it could have his wife. But there's no record fo her death before his remarriage. Very odd!
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Electoral register for 1936/7 Register has William at 40 Gwynfor Road with Annie Williams and Henry M Stanley Williams.
Presumably that is Annie nee Beresford who married William as Annie Williams
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We really need to establish exactly who 'Ethel' was, could she also have been a widow when she married William Ledster.
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Two years ago you told us you were going to get a marriage certificate!
Ethel Norman married William H. Ledster in Swansea 1919
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=805356.0
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Thanks for the link John, I posted on that one too ::)
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Rosie, I didn't remember it at all, sorry. Came up in a google search!
Bathonian - please tell us in future if you have posted about something before.
John
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Sorry about that. It's just that I'm going back and trying to clear up loose ends. l hadn't remembered that I'd asked you previously. Apologies!
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FindMyPast has the baptism (image/transcription) of -
Ethel Frances Norman, Aug 22 1900, Llangyfelach Church, abode Ystrad Rd, father Thomas, collier, mother Hannah
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FindMyPast has the baptism (image/transcription) of -
Ethel Frances Norman, Aug 22 1900, Llangyfelach Church, abode Ystrad Rd, father Thomas, collier, mother Hannah
I wonder where she was buried. Infants often go in with another person being buried the same day..
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To jonw65
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There is no need to be so rude Jon I often forget as well past research.
Heddwch
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Bathonian - please tell us in future if you have posted about something before.
John
What is rude about that? I was very polite.
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you told her twice
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Hi
I did have a look this morning, didn't post anything as Rosie was ahead of me ;D
I didn't recollect the old thread at all.
I honestly think Bathonian needs the marriage certificate.
The other option is to wait for the release of the 1921 census and see if Ethel can be picked up on that.
Apologies to Bathonian if I have given any offence.
John
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Heddwch, Sorry but I am not sure what you mean by John being rude.
I can only see John mentioning to Bathonian that it is a good idea to tell us if he has posted something before and then Bathonian apologising as he had not remembered that he had previously posted about it.
All good natured as far as I can see. I certainly do not have a problem with the post being duplicated and I have spent some time on it today. I did not recall that I had also posted on the earlier post but like John I do look at a lot of posts.
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I think I've been convinced that Frances Ethel is not the correct person. I've been tracing William's tree really and was unable to find Ethel's death. I convinced myself that Frances Ethel was the correct person as they both lived in Fforestfach, within half a mile of each other. Sorry if I caused any sort of upset. I think we can close the case now, thanks for showing so much interest.
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Hi, please hear me out before falling off your chair with laughter. It's a fact that an Elsie Norman married a William H Ledster in mq 1919 in Swansea. Now I have not come across this before but could the marriage have failed badly within a very short period of time and the marriage annulled. The following quarter in 1919 Swansea a Reginald S Eddy marries an Ethel Norman, she is also recorded as May. It would appear that they then went on to have 5 children between 1924-33. Ethel appears on 1939 register dob 1897. There is also a birth for an Ethel May Norman in the jq 1897. You can stop laughing now.
;D
John
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It sounds feasible, the only slight snag being that William gave his status in the 1939 register as being married. If only they hadn't redacted the third occupant, I could have seen whether it was his wife or a relative of the owners.
Ken
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As William was regularly in the household of Annie on electoral registers before the 1939 register then I suspect he was not with his wife long before 1939. As we have said the solution is probably with the marriage of William and Ethel Norman
I do not think that Ethel is with him in 1939
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I 'm tending to agree with you. I think I'll write her off as a dead end, William was a great-uncle so not a direct descendant. Many thanks for your interest.
Ken
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It may be worth putting on your list for when the 1921 census is released. Do let us know if you manage to get more information
Rosie
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Will do.