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Anything we didn't guess?
Will people really take notice?
Why were people allowed to think mixing would be fine?
Why can't they say, if they don't know?
-and remember, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics, and we all know that.
Laure Keunssberg (sorry, not sure of spelling) is a gem! More power to her microphone.
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I didn't listen to it so have had to look it up on the BBC News app. So tiers one to three can meet for Christmas day only? I envisage chaos or anarchy in response to this. So many people will have already made travel arrangements, that in itself will take some unpicking for those on public transport.
And as for London going into tier 4 - why weren't they put into tier 3 before this?
Apologies if I've got any of this wrong, I haven't read it in depth.
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It's the "Do NOT walk on the grass" syndrome.
Malky
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! Almost made me laugh there, and absolutely nothing about this world-wide shambles can manage that!
TY
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I hate London, it is a rubbish place work (been there done that) and as for moving around, it sucks.
So it is not surprising that Covid rates have exploded.
Rubbish management by a rubbish Government.
But hey, you Tories voted Boris the Bad in and you Londoners knew just what he was like as Mayor so you must take the blame.
Remember the Private Eye headline, The Buffoon Has Landed.
Just how right was that?
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When speaking of NOT relaxing at New Year, he 'mis-spoke' and moved the New Year by one month to 'the 31st January'. So we all get an extra month to celebrate Christmas! :-\
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I wish people would stop saying "Christmas is cancelled" >:( - it's not cancelled...it's just going to be different this year for everyone...not the Christmas we are all used to.
Happy Christmas everyone :D
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I wish people would stop saying "Christmas is cancelled" >:( - it's not cancelled...it's just going to be different this year for everyone...not the Christmas we are all used to.
Happy Christmas everyone :D
Exactly :-* :-*
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Well said Durham Girl :)
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I wish people would stop saying "Christmas is cancelled" >:( - it's not cancelled...it's just going to be different this year for everyone...not the Christmas we are all used to.
Probably not much different for a lot of people who don't normally see family at Christmas and spend it on their own ::)
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I'm in that category but I do feel for people whose plans have been scuppered.
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We are also in that category and usually go away for Christmas but have moved the holiday to later next year.
I feel sorry for people who have made plans but you would think they would realise by now that it's impossible to plan anything at the moment. Rules are changing by the hour (or so it seems) and it's better to have no plan than to try to re-arrange.
Rishile
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I'm a bit confused by your post Rishile, if it's 'we' doesn't that mean you're not on your own?
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Since my husband died I have chosen to spend Christmas on my own, it may be selfish but I rather enjoy it. Plenty to eat and drink, no one to pinch my favourite chocolates, my own choice of what to watch on TV, or nothing if I just want to read. :D
I'm rather looking forward to it, I missed Christmas last year as I was ill in hospital for several months. I didn't get my Christmas dinner until Easter.
There have been plenty of big family Christmases over the years, with me usually doing most of the work.
I don't understand why people were making such an issue of having a family get together over Christmas this year, it has been so obvious that it was likely to be difficult, not to say risky. A lot of my friends had already decided to play safe and spend it alone. Time enough for big celebrations when the pandemic is over, it at least under control.
There is the telephone, Skype, FaceTime or Zoom for most people to keep in touch if they wish.
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Well said, Jebber, and the Government aren't making these rules for fun.
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I agree with Jebber - most of those of my age and older that I have spoken to, are saying that we have come this far, why risk it for the sake of sharing a roast dinner?
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I made the decision in early November to NOT visit my family this year at Christmas.
Talked it over with my 2 daughters - one of whom works in a major hospital in Bristol.
The signs were obvious way back then.
Plus the thought of a train journey from Liverpool/Manchester/Heysham to North Somerset - where I'd probably bump into some dippy Scottish MP - filled me with horror!
And then I would have to self-isolate for 14 days.
So, Zoom it is! ;D
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We were due to go to our daughter, about 15 mins walk away , we are in the same tier , so we will be spending Christmas on our own now, don't mind at all, just want everyone to be safe, our granddaughter is particularly sad but I told her we will do something later
Boris is trying to do his best, we have to thank the idiots who have not kept to the rules, such as a line of 7 people shopping in London and only 1 wearing a mask, now they have spoilt it for everyone else who has tried to do the right thing since march
I am very annoyed to say the least
Louisa Maud
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Over a hundred protesters against the restrictions demonstrated in Bournemouth today, shouting to others to join in, no social distancing, no masks. I feel quite glad to be housebound.
I despair at the mentality of some people, I think they seem hell bent on keeping the pandemic going as long as possible.🙄
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Last night I flicked through the various news channels: BBC; Itv; Sky; Aljazeera and all of them had pieces showing local journalists interviewing shoppers in town centres to get their views on the latest government pronouncements. It being the last Friday the town centres were buzzing with only a minority wearing a mask, most people bare faced and not wearing a mask.
Somebody in No. 10 must have seen the same scenes and realised the implications.
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I despair at the mentality of the idiots protesting, better not say anymore I am so annoyed
LM
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I agree Jebber, it is about time some people grew up!
Such shortsightedness, the hospitality industry ,if we don’t get on top of this there won’t be any customers anyway!
I think to make plans when changes are inevitably going to be made , is optimistic but natural, but it needs to be kept in mind that things can change in a wink,.People have striven to stay within guidelines then the big change !
Of course they will be disappointed .
The greater good is what must come first,and many will strive to stick to rules
so it is natural they get frustrated when there are many who don’t , and whose selfish actions mean we all miss out.
The Oracle has spoken!
Viktoria.
News footage on TV this evening, a shopping mall, people all crowded together ,many no masks. It bedevils reason.
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We were due to go to our daughter, about 15 mins walk away , we are in the same tier , so we will be spending Christmas on our own now, don't mind at all, just want everyone to be safe, our granddaughter is particularly sad but I told her we will do something later
Boris is trying to do his best, we have to thank the idiots who have not kept to the rules, such as a line of 7 people shopping in London and only 1 wearing a mask, now they have spoilt it for everyone else who has tried to do the right thing since march
I am very annoyed to say the least
Louisa Maud
Well said, Louise Maud, "he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't". Anyone else want his responsibility?
Judy
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"he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't". Anyone else want his responsibility?
Judy
Exactly
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I personally do not like Laura Kuensberg ,she is out to score points, and yes she does ask pertinent questions but the dagger is drawn.
She does not ask in the search for clarity often but to get a dig in.
As has been said Boris is damned either way,bring in moderate restrictions and many do not even try to stay within them, bring in stricter measures and some will kick over the traces anyway, so they do their own little thing and the rest suffer.
The rules are complicated, and easily mis - understood but I was appalled at Hospital, the Consultant I was booked in to see was masked,gowned hatted and gloved ,sanitised the equipment etc yet during his examination of my eyes there were young Drs coming in and out of the room ,not masked or gowned etc and with letters they needed to ask about ,these were handled by the Consultant who then got back to my eyes.
The queue at the Pharmacy was very long and nowhere to wait but the
corridor and the waiting time was up to an hour!
No two metres apart there !
One thing laughs at another ,I wonder who decides the restrictions?
Surely not a Doctor or Scientist!
But something has got to be more cut and dried and penalties allotted, mind you when Greater Manchester Police failed to investigate 18,0000 crimes last year ——-we’ll be lucky!
Viktoria.
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I personally do not like Laura Kuensberg ,she is out to score points, and yes she does ask pertinent questions but the dagger is drawn.
She does not ask in the search for clarity often but to get a dig in.
Viktoria.
Have you not watched "Good Morning Britain" and the two vicious "journalists" on the programme?
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I would not want to wish any harm on anyone but have these demonstrators realised by not masking up the germs can be taken home and spread to the family, they all want their heads knocking together
Louisa Maud
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Hello to all of you beautiful, patient, kind and unselfish people from South Australia.
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I read your posts, all doing the right thing.....we have to stay alive, right?
Why are people so selfish?
Re Boris...I did wonder why he did not shut everything down earlier.
Our Premiers (leaders of each state) are acting quickly and shutting down when there is a flare up.
At the moment NSW has a cluster and contact tracing in full swing. Borders are shutting and the Sydney to Hobart yacht race is called off as Tasmania shuts it's border.
I too take care and if someone gets a bit close I give them the "Look" and move away.
By the way...i'm a good looker!!!!
Love to you all
Chris
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This Christmas will be the first time in my 54 years that I haven't spent the day with my parents even though hubby and I have been married for 29 of them!
However I work in a very large secondary school and have seen this coming for weeks. Students and teachers alike self isolating and whole year groups out for 2 weeks. Touch wood I'm ok but we've all been asked to do a covid test at work and to test our immediate family. Hubby works for RAC and also classed as a key worker, eldest son at uni(home now) and one at secondary with me so we've all been around too many people.
When I go back to school.......I may have to go in during the break.....they want us to test the students. How the hell will that work! We've been thrown in again.
As for those running away from London I hope it was worth it.
To all of you I raise my glass( ok cup of tea it's only 9am here) and wish you all the Very Best and here's to a much better 2021 :) :D .
Tazzie
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I'm a bit confused by your post Rishile, if it's 'we' doesn't that mean you're not on your own?
Sorry Roobarb - 'we' means just me and hubby.
Rishile
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As far as I am aware there are no regulations about wearing masks outside so nobody is doing anything wrong.
I am so very annoyed about the christmas rule change so late in the day when all plans had been made, why build up hope and expectation only to dash it at the last minute - much better to have said at the beginning of the month that there would be no meeting up except on christmas day.
I know there is a new variant but I feel that it is those only slightly breaking the rules who are to blame for this latest debacle - the ones letting the odd people into their house for a few minutes etc. I really have not broken a single guideline and have remained isolated as much as possible and yet I am being punished.
Pheno
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I would not want to wish any harm on anyone but have these demonstrators realised by not masking up the germs can be taken home and spread to the family, they all want their heads knocking together
Louisa Maud
Only one problem with that comment Louisa Maud.
It implies that there is some intelligence in there that will be awoken by a good knock about the head.
When I offered to send a stout piece if 4x2 timber hor him to knock sense into our Company Accountant he asked if I put some large 6 in nails in the timber as any strike to the Accountant’s head has to penetrate a great distance before it could reach the pea sized brain.
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It’s all someone else’s fault, isn’t it.
Tier two rules;
You may not meet socially indoors with friends or family unless you live with them or are part of a bubble.
Ring any bells
Mike
Added, 68 people infected in 10 days in Australia as a result of a cup of tea in a bowls club
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My wife and i have been married for forty five years and having tried spending Christmas abroad, in UK hotels and going out to a restaurant for lunch we much enjoy staying at home, just the two of us, with a special meal and a log fire in the hearth. No change for us then.
Having said that I do feel for those spending Christmas all alone. My mother died in my first term at University, my father was away at sea and we disposed of the house. I spent that Christmas in a cold and miserable student house alone and was very unhappy.
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Nobody is being punished, the effort is geared to keeping folk alive and out of the clutches of the grim reaper.
Xmas was never going to be Xmas this year anyhow. What does it matter, it will be history in a week.
Skoosh.
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Nobody is being punished, the effort is geared to keeping folk alive and out of the clutches of the grim reaper.
Xmas was never going to be Xmas this year anyhow. What does it matter, it will be history in a week.
Skoosh.
Well said Skoosh. Covid has 'cancelled Christmas' (ridiculous phrase) no one else. Surely most of us saw this coming?
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The average age of those dying from Covid is 82.4. and to be honest there are so many things that can kill you off at that age, covid being just one. I'll be seventy in march and I can't help wondering whether I want to stay locked away for the precious time before the Grim Reaper calls, for whatever reason. Now that was a happy Christmas message wasn't it?
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Our daughters assure us that our grandchildren (all boys) are delighted that they don’t have to visit us :) :) ;)
Mike
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I didn't see this coming cancelling off any celebrations at Christmas or being Tier 4 , I had planned a 3 family get together for Christmas lunch with my daughter and family, who you might say has been in our bubble, not a support bubble as we manage on our own, but then a third couple were to join us who was not in our bubble, I was a bit worried about it to be honest, so now we can't, and no Christmas hasn't been cancelled, think of what Christmas is really about!
Churches can't celebrate Christmas as we normally do, my own church will open on Christmas Eve and Christmas day, that is all, we had to book in advance otherwise it is to late, had booked Christmas Eve but when I checked Christmas day I wasn't booked in, to late by the end of this mornings service the the churchwarden has said I am not allowed to go, not best pleased as I have been to every service the church was open during this pandemic.
So, we have to keep our spirits up for the sake of our family, we can have our Christmas lunch some other time hopefully
LM
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Louisa Maud is quite right, Christmas has not been cancelled, it will just be different for many people this year. It’s not all about eating and drinking as much as possible, or splashing out on lavish gifts. It is a Christian festival that can be celebrated anywhere, even on ones own, without all the hype.
As Skoosh says Pheno, nobody is being punished, it just being sensible. I don’t agree that it’s the few people who slightly break the rules who are responsible. It is caused by those who flagrantly ignore all the rules and gather in large numbers.
I have already mentioned the crowd of demonstrators in Bournemouth yesterday. We only have to have observed the people crowding into the railway stations yesterday, to beat the new restrictions. There was no thought to social distancing in the stations, let alone the crowding it caused on the trains.
A good example of selfishness, a twenty one year old student at Bournemouth University organised three big parties, having ignored warnings from the police. I applaud the actions of the police who given him a £10,000 fine, the first such fine imposed in Dorset. I hope other crowd organisers and police forces take note.
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We've just been "upgraded" from Tier 3 to Tier 4. We live in the corner of a county which is badly affected at its other side - about 40 miles from where I live. The border with one tier 2 county is 400 yards north of my house and the border with a second tier 2 county is a mile east of my house (less as the crow flies).
The rate per 100,000 in our Local Authority is 175, whereas the rate in our eastern neighbour is 226 and in our northern neighbour is 150, so we are between the two. As far as I can see the rate of increase is similar in all three. I wouldn't expect the demographic to be much different between the three areas either. We are all served by the same hospital which had 29 Covid admissions in the last 7 days.
So it makes no sense whatsoever to me that we are in tier 4 and the county I can see across the field at the end of my garden, with a higher per capita rate, is only in tier 2.
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We will be having Christmas Dinner on our own this year. :'( A collective family decision made some weeks ago to try and keep everyone safe and well.
Can we all spare a thought for the millions in this world who have neither a roof over their heads nor a meal of any kind to feed themselves with or their children. We are all so lucky really if you pause for a moment to think about it so why grumble about one day of the year when all we are asked to do is stay at home and not mix with family and friends.
Stay safe and a Merry Christmas to you all :) :) :)
Dorrie
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Hello to all of you beautiful, patient, kind and unselfish people from South Australia.
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I read your posts, all doing the right thing.....we have to stay alive, right?
Why are people so selfish?
Re Boris...I did wonder why he did not shut everything down earlier.
We've already had one little Hitler trying to run our lives. Boris is a libertarian and that type of person hopes (s)he can carry other people with them.
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We will be having Christmas Dinner on our own this year. :'( A collective family decision made some weeks ago to try and keep everyone safe and well.
Can we all spare a thought for the millions in this world who have neither a roof over their heads nor a meal of any kind to feed themselves with or their children. We are all so lucky really if you pause for a moment to think about it so why grumble about one day of the year when all we are asked to do is stay at home and not mix with family and friends.
Stay safe and a Merry Christmas to you all :) :) :)
Dorrie
I agree - most people don't know how lucky they are. They have food, shelter, loved ones even if they are not able to be with them, most people have technology to be able to be in contact with them. I count my blessings every day. Although the pandemic and lockdowns have been difficult, we are still here, still healthy and still surviving.
Merry Christmas to you too Dorrie and all RootsChatters and your families.
Rishile
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Interesting responses ... mostly very much as anticipated. The whole point is: making one's mind up would seem to be a desirable thing to be able to do. Most of us seem to have seen this coming, but with it all being dropped on the people who had planned to foregather in groups, at the last moment, then their resentment is obviously going to be there.
Thanks, everyone.
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We just have to get on with it really, we will all get over it and spend Christmas doing something different with promise to ourselves to rectify it later in the year if we decide to do so
LM
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Going by average UK mortality rates, this will be the last Christmas alive for at least half a million people - old age and illnesses other than Covid do still exist, which seems to get forgotten.
We're still in tier 3 here so our plans haven't changed, but if I'd been told my Dad - who has deteriorated so much over the last 9 months that he's now virtually housebound - couldn't be with me on Xmas Day, then I'm afraid I would absolutely have ignored the 'rules'.
I also take the view that if having him here meant he risked picking up the virus, then it would still be a risk worth taking. Better shorter & happier than a few months longer lived in pain, misery & almost total isolation.
Families will be making these heart-breaking decisions up & down the land, and for those who decide to 'follow the rules' and miss out on what would have been their final Xmas with their loved ones, then yes, Christmas IS cancelled.
For every family that says in 2021 'I wish we hadn't', I think there will be far more saying 'I wish we had'.
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Strangely the extension of Tier 4 will enable me to go further a field. Here in Portsmouth we have been a very small Tier 4 area of probably ten square miles, with the police turning any attempted escapers around, but now that they have included Hampshire and Sussex I can actually walk in the country rather than around busy urban streets.
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How do I close this now out of date topic, please?
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