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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Fermanagh => Topic started by: turramurra on Saturday 19 December 20 22:31 GMT (UK)
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James Gorrell born in or near Enniskillen 1797.
(He could have been born in Armagh County Tyrone Ireland.)
He migrated to Australia maybe on the clipper ship "South Carolina "
James Gorrell married Jane NOBLE 30 September 1857 in Dapto NSW. Australia.
James died 9th August 1877 at Kembla Grange NSW.
Does anyone know the whereabouts of the graves of James Gorrell's parents maybe near Enniskillen?
They were (I think) William Gorrell and Isabella Wylie.
Thank you for any suggestions and further history clues.
Turramurra.
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James Gorrell born in or near Enniskillen 1797.
(He could have been born in Armagh County Tyrone Ireland.)
... Does anyone know the whereabouts of the graves of James Gorrell's parents maybe near Enniskillen?
They were (I think) William Gorrell and Isabella Wylie.
Thank you for any suggestions and further history clues.
Armagh (city) is in County Armagh not County Tyrone.
Do you have an occupation for William Gorrell? If he was in the Army and stationed in Enniskillen when James was born then the family could have been from anywhere and it would be difficult to know where to search further.
Unfortunately the records you are looking for are long before the start of civil registration.
Any idea what religion the family would have been? James' birthdate is very early for records for most churches. Also, in the absence of death certificates a headstone might be the only record but not everyone had a headstone and lots of early ones are now illegible.
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Thank you for your reply.
I understand that the whereabouts of graves was a difficult request
I think protestant was the religion.
There is little more of the story now come to light:
William Gorrell and John Gorrell were farmers of Roscor County Fermanagh recored in the freehold list of 1796-1802.
Roscoe/Rosscor is about 30 miles from Enniskillen.
This may be a strange coincidence or fact but in researching this family
a reference to GORRELL
from newspaper Argus (Melbourne, Victoria:1848-1957 Thursday 28th June 1866 page 4.
On the 24th ult., at Grey River, New Zealand, killed accidentally, Edward Gorrell, fourth son of Mr Robert Gorrell, late of Rosscorr, County Tryrone, Ireland.
Home papers please copy.
Is this perhaps a relative of James Gorrell as they came from the same area?
Turramurra
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Here's Roscor townland in the Civil Parish of Magheracross in Co. Tyrone.
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/east-omagh/magheracross/roscor/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4590712#map=12/54.3887/-7.6131
KG
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Thank you very much for this map
Turramurra
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Dublin Mercantile Advertiser of 20 Nov.1826: ... said co. farmer ; George Coulter, of Lurganclaby, said co. yeoman ; Wm. Duodass, of Tavagh, said co. carpenter and Wm. Gorrell, of Rosscorr, said co. yeoman ; Patrick ...
Dublin Daily Express, 27 Feb.1878: ... for the purposes of their railway, three quarters of an acre of land, the property of Thomas Gorrell, plaintiff's brother, was valued by Mr W Sharpe at 3s 2d, Thomas Gorrell being out of the country, the company treated with Mr Thos Aitkin, solicitor, who ...
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Thank you aghadowey.
Now to add still more to the GORRELL research please:
JOHN GORRELL marriage
On the 1st instant ,by the Rev Dr Bailey,of the Free Church of England,Brisbane Street,
Mr John GORRELL of Camperdown Road, formerly of Dromore, county Tryrone Ireland, to Mary Anne, daughter of Mr.Edwards McVity, of Cleveland street, Redfern.
Sydney Morning Herald (NSW:1842-1954),Saturday 11 May 1867, page 1
Notice appeared in the Sydney Morning Hearald (NSW:1842-1954),THURSDAY 32 May 1867, page 8.
The name GORREL McVITY
one L in Gorrell
But exactly same notice.
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Would anyone how to find birth date of James Gorrell please?
(Correct Date that is )
It may have been 1797
Parents were William Gorrell and Isabella Wylie? Rosscorr County Fermanagh Ireland.
Turramurra
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There are a couple of Gorrell families in Roscor in the 1901 census. Both were essentially Church of Ireland. There were 2 Methodists but Methodism was not a separate denomination in Ireland prior to about 1818. (Before that they would have been Church of Ireland). So I’d guess that was your family’s denomination:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Drumharvey/Roscor/1740561/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Drumharvey/Roscor/1740565/
Roscor is in the parish of Magheracross. Their Church of Ireland baptism records start in 1800. So if your ancestor was born in 1797 there will be no record of that event, unless baptised 3 years late (which did happen). Having said that, people didn’t celebrate birthdays in Ireland in the 1700s and 1800s and many didn’t know their age with any great accuracy. When officialdom asked for an age, or worse still, a date of birth, it was common just to guess or make something up. So it’s usually worth checking 5 years either side in church records.
Fortunately the Magheracross records have been transcribed and are on-line. There are some Gorrells from Roscor in the period 1800 – 1810 but I don’t see your James. So it looks as though he was born pre 1800. In that case you are going to struggle to get a reliable date of birth for him.
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/fermanagh/churches/maghercross-bap.htm
If the family were farmers, they probably stayed put. So you might expect their graves to be in the Magheracross area. They might be buried elsewhere but I would start with Magheracross. According to the Ulster Historical Foundation website, there are 2 likely graveyards in that parish. One is Magheracross Church of Ireland (in the townland of Magheracross) and the other is Magheracross Old graveyard (townland of Bellanmallard).
Roscor isn’t very big by the way. It’s 251 acres of agricultural land. In 1901 there were 15 inhabited houses. Total population 47, all engaged in farming one way or another.
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Dear Elwyn,
This is GOOD news about Methodists as GORRELLS in Australia were METHODIST ministers and lay preachers...
We may be on the right track here,
Thank you for your help.
There are many clues as yet to follow with this family,
Turramurra
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Methodism took a lot longer to become established in Ireland as a separate denomination than in England. In Ireland there was considerable resistance to separating from the Church of Ireland. It was around 1818 before Methodists started to conduct their own baptisms. However because of continuing loyalty and other factors, many continued to use the Church of Ireland for baptisms for years after this and it was 1871 before all Methodists routinely performed their own baptisms.
For Methodist marriages, the earliest that I am aware of, date from 1835 (Belfast Donegall Square, the first Methodist church in Ireland). However in the mid 1800s there were only a few Methodist Ministers (Methodism relied heavily on lay preachers). So that shortage led to the continuing practice of marrying in the Church of Ireland. In addition, in the early years, many Methodist Meeting Houses were not licensed for marriages so that too contributed to couples marrying in the Church of Ireland.
So to summarise, you are unlikely to find many Methodist baptisms before 1820. Few marriages before the 1840s and only a handful for many years after that. If there are no Methodist records in the location you are researching, search Church of Ireland records instead, as that’s the most likely place to find the relevant event.
In the case of Magheracross, there are 2 Methodist Meeting Houses. Ballinamallard has baptism records from 1829 and marriages from 1882. Knockmanoul has baptisms from 1879 though there is a note in the PRONI (public record office) guide to say there may be some earlier ones in circuit book ref MIC1E/15. In other words, a travelling Minister kept his own records rather than the information being recorded in a book in individual Meeting Houses. Knockmanoul has no marriages at all (the inference being they married in the Church of Ireland).
In a nutshell, I would say that your Gorrell ancestors were highly likely to have been Church of Ireland in the 1700s and at least until 1820. (And most of them still seem to have been Church of Ireland in 1901).
Not many Methodist Meeting Houses have graveyards and so Methodists may be buried in public or Church of Ireland graveyards (which are open to all denominations).
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Would anyone how to find birth date of James Gorrell please?
(Correct Date that is )
It may have been 1797
Parents were William Gorrell and Isabella Wylie? Rosscorr County Fermanagh Ireland.
Turramurra
When I type +gorrell +james into the 'Fermanagh Gold' search engine, one of the hits coming back is a Kilskeery Church of Ireland birth record for James, the son of William and Isabella Gorrell of Cabragh (which borders Roscor), the date given is 5 March 1798.
https://www.fermanagh-gold.com/
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/east-omagh/kilskeery/cabragh/
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Gaffy,
Well done!
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Thanks, it was just an idle punt, I really didn't think that anything would be available for that era.
Other relevant hits might be forthcoming from that same search engine, for example, the death of an 87 year old Isabella Gorrell of Roscor on 22 February 1865 is also noted in Kilskeery Church of Ireland records. The civil record on the 'GRONI' website index shows a reported age of 80. Just a maybe.
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thank you
this is so kind of people to help with the Gorrell Family
The birth date is very important and now we can research further
Turramurra
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Isaac Gorrell married Mary Alexander. of Dromore, Tyrone. According to a distant relative Isaac was said to have come from Roscor. They had at least 5 children around the 1840s of whom at least 4 came to Australia around the 1860s. They settled around Kiama and Berry and some later moved to Sydney.
The Gorrell/McVity is the marriage of one of these children. Their mother Mary also came to Australia.
A bit more to add to the story.
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Thank you to all who have contributed to this research.
another query please;
A family named GORRELL has been found to have lived as farmers at Cabragh near Kilskerry near Enniskillen since at lease RALPH GORRELL 1660's.
Is there chain of family descendants linking Ralph Gorrell to William Gorrell and isabella Wylie parents of James Gorrell (1798 -1877)
Turramurra
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Correction on last post for GORRELL
We are looking for William Gorrell
very probably
born in Cabragh ...a small community of farms near KILSKEERY
glad for any help
Turramurra