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General => The Stay Safe Board => Topic started by: guest189040 on Sunday 20 December 20 22:11 GMT (UK)
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First detected three months previously this New Strain is more virulent than others but supposedly with lesser symptoms and potentially a lower mortality rate or so sayeth the BBC News.
Apparently there are currently 17 known strains of the virus.
Exports have been banned from Dover to France for 48 hours (just why is unclear).
Flights from the UK have been banned by a number of countries
At present this new strain is mainly in London and the South East.
It just gets worst by the day.
Stay safe everyone.
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To quote Lewis Goodall (BBC Newnight) :
Lewis Goodall
@lewis_goodall
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The situation
London and the south east cut off from rest of the country
UK outward freight to Calais cut off
UK travel prohibited for a swathe of countries
More cases reported in last 24 hours than ever before
5 days til Christmas
11 days til the transition ends
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and I keep saying to OH...... it just can't get any worse.. and it does!
Keep sane everyone.
Judy
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I've been looking at a May 2020 map of the covid-19 spread and was extremely surprised. I'd imagined modern day travel would mean Dover and Heathrow passengers would spread the virus evenly as people made their way home or to places where foreign visitors intended to stay.
What I found was high Covid levels at all the historic cinq ports on the south east coast of England and North Norfolk,. probably Kings Lynn historic gateway for Portuguese and Eastern Europeans. Cornwall, Devon and the farmland of Lincolnshire stand out as having very low population/covid levels On another level, should we be worried that Kent, which used to be the fruit growing orchards and farmlands of England seem to have lost fields and have a spread of populations..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_England
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The TV mentioned and showed ORF1ab and N genes.
When searched online it gives this link ...
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/adhocs/12690percentageofcovid19casesthatarepositivefororf1abandngenes
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A Report Preprint mentioned the SARS-CoV-2 "spike protein reduces S1 shedding and increases infectivity"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7310631/
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Added: regarding Wikipedia claiming Covid-19 was first in the UK 31st January 2020, Peter Attwood's Covid-19 illness and death was before this ...
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-09-09/daughter-of-early-uk-coronavirus-victim-says-people-have-died-unnecessarily-due-to-china-cover-up
Mark
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What I want to know is this....
As London is now in tier 4 and people can’t move from there into other areas.... why oh why are the trains still allowing people to pour out of London to other parts of the UK where they’re now going to spread this new strain ALL OVER THE COUNTRY....
Am I missing something here... why are the police allowing it to happen... it makes a complete mockery of this new ruling... I just don’t understand...
Foreign countries are banning flights in and out while we let these people travel all over UK... it’s madness.....
Caroline
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Couldn't agree more Caroline, we've had enough problems of our own without people pouring out of London. We had to put up with tier 3 long before they did and now it's a case of when the going gets tough - spread it around! >:( >:(
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Presumably there was no order from the government to stop travel. Tier 4 did not begin until Sunday.
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Presumably there was no order from the government to stop travel. Tier 4 did not begin until Sunday.
Agreed but why were people travelling today then..... makes no sense
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To get home maybe :-\
Transport for essential use will still be available.
What I couldn’t understand is why tickets were sold causing the trains to be full. I suppose there could have been clashes though.
I suppose the shops will be full of people and shelves emptied now that supplies are threatened.
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A couple of travellers from the UK have brought this new strain into Australia. No word on their whereabouts but hopefully they are in hotel quarantine as all travellers are required to be for two weeks upon arrival.
The numbers of people swarming on to public transport out of London is mind boggling.
What a mess. :(
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What I found was high Covid levels at all the historic cinq ports on the south east coast of England and North Norfolk,. probably Kings Lynn historic gateway for Portuguese and Eastern Europeans.
That doesn't make sense to me?
The Cinque Ports are:
Hastings - no longer a major port
New Romney - now a mile and a half from the seafront
Hythe - no longer has a natural harbour
Dover - still operating
Sandwich - no longer a port, 1.9 miles from sea
King's Lynn no longer has any ferries operating to/from Europe,
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What I found was high Covid levels at all the historic cinq ports on the south east coast of England and North Norfolk,. probably Kings Lynn historic gateway for Portuguese and Eastern Europeans.
That doesn't make sense to me?
The Cinque Ports are:
Hastings - no longer a major port
New Romney - now a mile and a half from the seafront
Hythe - no longer has a natural harbour
Dover - still operating
Sandwich - no longer a port, 1.9 miles from sea
King's Lynn no longer has any ferries operating to/from Europe,
Exactly , so do we think smugglers are using the coves around those historic ports. Did you compare the two maps = one of COVID and the one showing that they are along the narrowest part of the English Channel.
As for Norfolk - is there any other town of substance in that county, except for Norwich, of course?
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What are you implying, Rena?
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This new strain is surely not confined to the UK and will in all likelihood be present in other European countries already. Call me suspicious, but I just get the feeling that France and the other EU countries are taking the opportunity to show us how difficult life could be after Brexit. :(
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This new strain is surely not confined to the UK and will in all likelihood be present in other European countries already. Call me suspicious, but I just get the feeling that France and the other EU countries are taking the opportunity to show us how difficult life could be after Brexit. :(
I think if the UK was advised that there was a concerning spread of a mutated virus in France, there would be an expectation the UK would take action to restrict entry.
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So, we are blaming other countries/people for the "English Virus"? ;D ;D ;D
Blame surely has to be laid at the door of the incompetence of the UK Government and it's laughable "lockdown" policies - which apparently do not involve locking down?
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As for Norfolk - is there any other town of substance in that county, except for Norwich, of course?
I don't understand the relevance of this question?
Norfolk is a large county and there are many towns - as opposed to Norwich, which is a city, population nearly 200,000.
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As for Norfolk - is there any other town of substance in that county, except for Norwich, of course?
Great Yarmouth.
Regards
Chas
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I've been looking at a May 2020 map of the covid-19 spread and was extremely surprised. I'd imagined modern day travel would mean Dover and Heathrow passengers would spread the virus evenly as people made their way home or to places where foreign visitors intended to stay.
What I found was high Covid levels at all the historic cinq ports on the south east coast of England and North Norfolk,. probably Kings Lynn historic gateway for Portuguese and Eastern Europeans. Cornwall, Devon and the farmland of Lincolnshire stand out as having very low population/covid levels On another level, should we be worried that Kent, which used to be the fruit growing orchards and farmlands of England seem to have lost fields and have a spread of populations..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_England
In what sense has Kent lost fields? I don't understand this.
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So, we are blaming other countries/people for the "English Virus"? ;D ;D ;D
Blame surely has to be laid at the door of the incompetence of the UK Government and it's laughable "lockdown" policies - which apparently do not involve locking down?
Exactly - other countries have a test procedure for quickly taking temperatures without touching the individuals - I haven't seen hair nor hide of us doing anything like a test.Admittedly I have recently heard that some Covid carriers do not show increase in temperature - but we didn't know that early this year did we?
I didn't take much notice but I did hear during a discussion sometime recently that the virus stays on some surfaces up to 72 hours.. Are we importing the virus on some form of packaging?
I can quite understand other posters not understanding how my brain works. It darts here and there, looking for solutions to anyuthing that puzzles me and I appreciate others opening up new avenues to explore..
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Parts of Kent are now part of London - and Norfolk is/was where the government plan(ned) to put the London overspill.
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I didn't take much notice but I did hear during a discussion sometime recently that the virus stays on some surfaces up to 72 hours.. Are we importing the virus on some form of packaging?
With the highest (or one of the highest) infection rates in Europe, importing the virus from anywhere else isn't the issue. Maybe we should be more concerned about not exporting it.
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Other countries have a test procedure for quickly taking temperatures without touching the individuals - I haven't seen hair nor hide of us doing anything like a test.Admittedly I have recently heard that some Covid carriers do not show increase in temperature - but we didn't know that early this year did we?
It's been known for months that temperature is a pretty poor indicator of covid infection.
Slate
20 May
Temperature checks don’t work without testing infrastructure.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/05/temperature-checks-coronavirus.html
Bloomberg
28 May
Coronavirus: Temperature Checks Can Miss Feverless Covid Cases
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-28/coronavirus-temperature-checks-can-miss-feverless-covid-cases
Forbes
13 August
Fauci Says Coronavirus Temperature Checks ‘Notoriously Inaccurate’
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/13/fauci-says-coronavirus-temperature-checks-notoriously-inaccurate/
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What I don’t understand is why are no steps being taken to stop people travelling out of Tier 4 areas?
Don’t get me wrong, - I’m not advocating for a ‘Police State’, but during the first lockdown, the police did turn back people trying to enter certain areas.
We’re in a Tier 4 area here now, but I do know of people who are still planning to make lengthy journeys to other parts of the country for the Christmas period.
Won’t this potentially lead to the mutated virus spreading like wildfire throughout the country?
Romilly :-\
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People are still travelling and putting others at risk. Hubby works for RAC and you would think he be quiet.....NO... He's just towed a car off motorway to nearest service area for safety and to fix the car.
Both occupants had their masks so as he was working he asked " have you moved as we may need to update your records" reply..no why's that? Hubby said.... Well we've got your address as Bolton!
"So" said customer I'm going to collect my mum from Battersea.
Hubby was now fuming he told them he could not fix it roadside as it was a bigger job. The customer began moaning and hubby then checked further...NO ROAD TAX.... " sorry no more service allowed.
It was out of days in April! So actually putting more lives at risk in other ways.
Tazzie
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As for Norfolk - is there any other town of substance in that county, except for Norwich, of course?
Great Yarmouth.
Regards
Chas
Thanks Chas. I need to find more than a few memory cells - Gt. Yarmouth was where my grandfather's grandparents had a pub lol
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Other countries have a test procedure for quickly taking temperatures without touching the individuals - I haven't seen hair nor hide of us doing anything like a test.Admittedly I have recently heard that some Covid carriers do not show increase in temperature - but we didn't know that early this year did we?
It's been known for months that temperature is a pretty poor indicator of covid infection.
Slate
20 May
Temperature checks don’t work without testing infrastructure.
https://slate.com/technology/2020/05/temperature-checks-coronavirus.html
Bloomberg
28 May
Coronavirus: Temperature Checks Can Miss Feverless Covid Cases
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-05-28/coronavirus-temperature-checks-can-miss-feverless-covid-cases
Forbes
13 August
Fauci Says Coronavirus Temperature Checks ‘Notoriously Inaccurate’
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/13/fauci-says-coronavirus-temperature-checks-notoriously-inaccurate/
This darned thing - some can smell/taste, others can't smell/taste, some have coughts/no coughts; temperature/no temperature.
Thanks, I appreciate the links but due to two failed catarract ops, my eyesight is pretty abysmal these days and long paragraphs send words spinning I have to rely on remembering verbal discussions.
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I didn't take much notice but I did hear during a discussion sometime recently that the virus stays on some surfaces up to 72 hours.. Are we importing the virus on some form of packaging?
With the highest (or one of the highest) infection rates in Europe, importing the virus from anywhere else isn't the issue. Maybe we should be more concerned about not exporting it.
I share your thoughts re exporting our virus strain --- and I hear Scotland has banned the English from crossing their border
On my Facebook page today, our local MP posted a notice that our little town has increased virus cases by approx 67% in ONE WEEK.
It's not me guv, I aint been outside this 'ouse for months - I'm cul;tivating my derriere. . :D,.
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An interesting article in The Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/21/european-experts-urge-caution-over-new-covid-mutation-uk
Amongst other things has this to say:
The Dutch government confirmed on Sunday that a case with the new mutation had been diagnosed in the country at the beginning of December, suggesting it may already have been in the country for some time.
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Since it's not spreading as fast in other countries, according to them, I fear we must put the blame, if we're having a blame game, on those stupid people who just ignore the advice given them by our government, which seems to always be one step behind the game anyway.
We're in Tier 2 and will follow the lead of our Queen and have a quiet Christmas, meeting briefly out in the fresh air with our children and their families to exchange presents. Oh, just a thought - shall we have to isolate our presents for 3 days just to be safe? People in the village who have bought in lots of food for family get-togethers are offering a meals on wheels service to anyone who is spending Christmas alone this year.