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Title: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 11:40 GMT (UK)
Hello Hope you are all safe under the present conditions
I have a query that someone maybe able to assist with please
1901 Census    11 St Helens street Derby there is a Louisa Carrington DoB 1845  Hereford
Also two boarders and a Annie Meakin or Mickin DoB 1883
 I think her parents are a Charles Meakin ?DoB 1856 Repton Derby and
Alice Meakin ?  DoB 1858 Hereford
The question is whose Granddaughter is she does she belong to a boarder or Louisa Carrington
If so what is the relation between Louisa Carrington and the Meakin s
Your thoughts on this most welcome

A bit more information Louisa Carrington a widow gave her surname as Johnson when marrying George Henry Carrington 1897 Derby  I think he dies soon after this

Thanks for taking the time to look at this

Regards Broadway
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 21 December 20 11:46 GMT (UK)
MEAKIN, ANNIE  JEMIMA     Mothers maiden surname JOHNSON 
GRO Reference: 1883  June  Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 542
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 11:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you Rosie
My next question is Her Mother would be Alice Johnson DoB 1858 Hereford
What relation is she to Louisa Carrington Nee Johnson by a marriage
I am trying to make the connection between the two but failing with my limited resources

Regards thanks for the quick reply
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Dizzifish on Monday 21 December 20 11:54 GMT (UK)
Just in case you don't have this..... :)

Louisa gives her father as William Evans at the time of her marriage in 1897

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q5a/

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Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 21 December 20 12:04 GMT (UK)
Louisa only became a Carrington in 1897 and was a Johnson by marriage (father - surname Evans)

In 1901 she was in the household of  George Carrington
RG12 Piece 2736 Folio 141 Page   11
Louisa Johnson age 44 - widow

In 1881 RG11 Piece 3399 Folio 47 Page 6 she was Louisa Johnson a widow with children Charles Johnson 21 and Mary 16
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 21 December 20 12:04 GMT (UK)
1901, for reference: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJ2-2BC

1891, Annie: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:468C-66Z

Louisa, 1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-PH1F

EVANS, CHARLES       - 
GRO Reference: 1858  J Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 06A  Page 435


JOHNSON, CHARLES       - 
GRO Reference: 1860  M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 06A  Page 495


I can’t see Mary and Alice.

Jamjar



Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: DCB on Monday 21 December 20 12:30 GMT (UK)
This could be Louisa in 1851, mother's maiden name of Pearce - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGP4-1K7

EVANS, LUESA mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26  Page 172

EVANS, ABRAHAM mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 196

David
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 21 December 20 12:44 GMT (UK)
This could be Louisa in 1851, mother's maiden name of Pearce - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGP4-1K7

David

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M757-1SQ

EVANS, ANN mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 26  Page 142

EVANS, JOSEPH mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1840  S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 26  Page 159

EVANS, CHARLES mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1842  S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 26  Page 161

EVANS, LUESA mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26  Page 172

EVANS, ABRAHAM mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 196

EVANS, ISAAC  CHARLES mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1849  S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 26  Page 183

EVANS, JACOB mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1851  S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 26  Page 193

EVANS, DAVID mmn PEARCE 
GRO Reference: 1853  J Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE  Volume 06A  Page 421

Jamjar

Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 12:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much everyone
Louisa Evans 1845  Tupsley Hereford
Father William Evans    Mother  Mary Pearce
1860 Louisa Married Charles Tinklin  He passed away 1868
1871 census saw her children in Hereford Workhouse   not sure where Louisa was cannot find her in this Census
1881 Census Louisa is in Derby with two of her remaining children Abraham Charles and a Mary Diana
Their surname is now given as Johnson   how did that come about I cannot find a marriage for Louisa and a Charles Johnson the supposedly ex Husband
Abraham Charles marriage certificate gives his Father as a Charles Johnson  deceased
This is where I have the problem a marriage of Louisa and Charles Johnson and the so called Grand daughter Annie Micken ??   as her Mother Alice also came from Hereford so what is the connection
slightly confusing
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 21 December 20 13:08 GMT (UK)
TINKLIN, ABRAHAMS  CHARLES mmm EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1861  M Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 438

TINKLEN, ARATHE  MATILDA mmn EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1862  S Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 430

TINKLIN, MARY  DIANA mmn EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1866  M Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 478

Could this be Alice, who married Charles Meakin? ARATHE  MATILDA

Jamjar
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 13:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you Jamjar   much appreciated

Regards
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 13:42 GMT (UK)
you could be right  is Arathe  another name for Alice or would she have changed it as it was  difficult to pronounce   just searching for a marriage for her now

Thank you
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 13:51 GMT (UK)
Just a thought

Arethe Matilda DoB 1862
and Alice in the 1901 census is given as DoB as 1858  it could be they rounded it off to nearest 0 or 5 year and also she did come from Hereford as given on the census

Thanks
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 21 December 20 14:16 GMT (UK)
Just a thought

Arethe Matilda DoB 1862 and Alice in the 1901 census is given as DoB as 1858 
it could be they rounded it off to nearest 0 or 5 year and also she did come from Hereford as given on the census



31 Dec 1862 Baptism Aretha parents Charles & Louisa TINKLIN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQFD-GKMM
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 14:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you Ladyhawk

I could find nothing on Aretha Matilda in the 1881 census
However I have found an Alice Johnson that married a Charles Wheatcroft   1881 in Derby
could these be the same person  as her daughter Annie DoB 1883 is living with her Grandmother Louisa 1901 census
I can tie everything in but the surname Johnson was it made up or did Louisa marry a Charles Johnson

Regards
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 14:28 GMT (UK)
Thank you Ladyhawk

I could find nothing on Aretha Matilda in the 1881 census
However I have found an Alice Johnson that married a Charles Wheatcroft   1881 in Derby
could these be the same person  as her daughter Annie DoB 1883 is living with her Grandmother Louisa 1901 census
I can tie everything in but the surname Johnson was it made up or did Louisa marry a Charles Johnson

Regards :)
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 21 December 20 14:29 GMT (UK)
Charles William Meakin
Birth 19 Jul 1881
Baptism 19 Jul 1881 Derby, St Luke, Derbyshire
Father:   Charles Wheatcroft Meakin , greengrocer Mother:   Alice

MEAKIN, CHARLES  WILLIAM     mmn JOHNSON 
1881  S Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 523
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 21 December 20 14:36 GMT (UK)
1881c Piece:   3401 Folio:   43 Page Number:   25
Mary Greatorex   widow 56
Joseph Greatorex son   25
William Meakin   son 21 Repton, Derbyshire
Alice Johnson   lodger 19 Bedford
address 117 Boyer Street

1881 baptism record for Charles William Meakin address 159 Boyer Street
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 14:44 GMT (UK)
Thank you lady Hawk
it certainly throws some facts up 

regards
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 21 December 20 14:48 GMT (UK)
daughter Annie DoB 1883 is living with her Grandmother Louisa 1901 census


Did Annie MEAKIN have a middle name Jemima and did she marry a James William Owen?

The reason I ask is there's a 1905 marriage in Debyshire
father name Charles Meakin occ labour and one witness is Charles JOHNSON

Edit to add her birth entry

MEAKIN, ANNIE  JEMIMA     mmn JOHNSON 
1883  J Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 542
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 14:52 GMT (UK)
My goodness  just have to look back on messages I think your right

Thank you
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 21 December 20 15:01 GMT (UK)
Is this the correct MEAKIN family on

1891 c ensus Piece:   2731 Folio:   127 Page: 20

Charles Meakin   35
Alice Meakin   28
Charles Meakin   9
Annie Meakin   8
John Meakin   5
Thomas Meakin   3

MEAKIN, JOHN  HENRY mmn   JOHNSON 
1886  M Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 552

MEAKIN, THOMAS   mmn    JOHNSON 
1887  S Quarter in DERBY  Volume 07B  Page 546

and 1901 census

Piece:   2642 Folio:   114 Page Number:   24

Charles Micken   45
Alice Micken   43
Charles Micken   19
T Micken   3
Thurza Micken   1

MEAKIN, THIRZA    mmn   JOHNSON 
1899  S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 441
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 15:07 GMT (UK)
yes  Correct that would be the family Alice the wife born Hereford

Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Monday 21 December 20 15:25 GMT (UK)
I would just like to thank everyone for their kind help and assistance today,  I have found so any facts and even more questions  but there is light at the end of the tunnel , 
I just need a bit more results

Thank you all again and lets hope 2021 is a better year for all

MerryChritmas ;) :)
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 21 December 20 18:28 GMT (UK)

Louisa Evans 1845  Tupsley Hereford
Father William Evans    Mother  Mary Pearce

1860 Louisa Married Charles Tinklin  He passed away 1868

1871 census saw her children in Hereford Workhouse  not sure where Louisa was cannot find her in this Census

1881 Census Louisa is in Derby with two of her remaining children Abraham Charles and a Mary Diana
Their surname is now given as Johnson   


Not sure if this census was added not that it helps I can't find her either on 1871 census :-\

1861 Piece: 1817 Folio:69 Page Number:   7
Charles Tinkling   23 Somerset labourer
Louisa            17 Tupsley, Herefordshire
Abraham              2 months ditto

Did Charles & Louisa have another child after Arathe Matilda Tinklin named Charles born 1863 died 1867 age 4?

TINKLING, CHARLES   mmn EVANS
1863  D Quarter in HAY  Volume 11B  Page 145
   
TINKLIN, CHARLES   age 4
1867  D Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE  Volume 06A  Page 305   
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Tuesday 22 December 20 08:16 GMT (UK)
Morning Yes that is correct 

Thank you
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: broaway on Tuesday 22 December 20 09:20 GMT (UK)
Morning all

Having studied all this wonderful information that members have supplied I feel that the mother of this grandchild Alice Meakin is or was in fact  Aretha Matilda as given in in 1871 census under the surname of Tinklin,
Like the rest of the family they changed their names for some reason when they left Hereford and took the name of Johnson,
Looking at it from the members point of view do you think this is a possibility,  Still trying to find a marriage for Louisa Tinklin / Evans to a Charles Johnson

Thank you all for looking and I gratefully accept any thoughts on this

Regards
Title: Re: Whose Grand daughter
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 23 December 20 11:08 GMT (UK)

Louisa Evans 1845  Tupsley Hereford
Father William Evans    Mother  Mary Pearce


Not sure if this census was added not that it helps I can't find her either on 1871 census :-\

1861 Piece: 1817 Folio:69 Page Number:   7
Charles Tinkling   23 Somerset labourer
Louisa            17 Tupsley, Herefordshire
Abraham              2 months ditto


This appears to be Louisa’s marriage to Charles Tinklin

Sep 1861               
Evans   Ellen Anne      Cardiff   11a   261    
Evans   Lowisa      Cardiff   11a   261    
Spencer   Richard Evans   Cardiff   11a   261    
Tinkler   Charles      Cardiff   11a   261   

and details from Glamorganshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1570-1994

Marriage 24 Aug 1861 Llandough, St Dochdwy, Glamorganshire, Wales
Charles Tinkler f/a labourer Father Samuel Tinkler labourer
Louisa Evans 20 father William Evans labourer
Both single, address Cogan Meadow, all made their mark (x)

the question is did Charles marry again saying he was single

Sep 1875                  
JONES   Sarah              Newport, M.   11a   237    
LONGFORD   George      Newport, M.   11a   237    
Phillips   Mary                       Newport M   11a   237    
TINDINGKINT   Charles      Newport, M.   11a   237    
TINDINKINT   Charles      Newport, M.   11a   237   

Details from Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994

Mary Phillips age 27 father James
Marriage 6 Jul 1875 Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales
Charles Linding Rint 30 labourer father Samuel labourer
Charles & Mary both made their mark (x)

1881 census Charles born 1836 Somerset with wife Mary & dau Sarah
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-MR5B

dau Sarah Ann Tinklin mmn Phillips GRO indexes

1891 census two more children Samuel & John Arthur (mmn Phillips GRO indexes)
(think this Charles Tinklin married to Mary is probably the son of Samuel & Eliza)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:42QK-S3Z

1901 Charles Tinklin family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TP-G6S

1911 Charles Tinklin family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PX-V23

Charles Tinklin on 1911 census looks to have died 1914 age 73 Newport Monmouthshire

Possible baptism

Charles Tincklin
Birth 24 Dec 1837
Baptism 27 Dec 1837 Kenn, Somerset
Father:   Samuel Tincklin , labourer Mother:   Elizo

TINKLIN, CHARLES   mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1837  D Quarter in BEDMINSTER  Volume 11  Page 72   

1851 census entry Charles Tinklin age 13 bn Somerset son of Samuel & Eliza
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGK-1T3

Charles not with Samuel & Eliza on 1841c
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ1C-3HQ

This could be Charles age 3 with Thomas & Elizabeth Tinklin both age 60 on 1841c
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ1C-3CZ

I’ve not found this Charles Tinklin on 1871 census will keep looking