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Hello Hope you are all safe under the present conditions
I have a query that someone maybe able to assist with please
1901 Census 11 St Helens street Derby there is a Louisa Carrington DoB 1845 Hereford
Also two boarders and a Annie Meakin or Mickin DoB 1883
I think her parents are a Charles Meakin ?DoB 1856 Repton Derby and
Alice Meakin ? DoB 1858 Hereford
The question is whose Granddaughter is she does she belong to a boarder or Louisa Carrington
If so what is the relation between Louisa Carrington and the Meakin s
Your thoughts on this most welcome
A bit more information Louisa Carrington a widow gave her surname as Johnson when marrying George Henry Carrington 1897 Derby I think he dies soon after this
Thanks for taking the time to look at this
Regards Broadway
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MEAKIN, ANNIE JEMIMA Mothers maiden surname JOHNSON
GRO Reference: 1883 June Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 542
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Thank you Rosie
My next question is Her Mother would be Alice Johnson DoB 1858 Hereford
What relation is she to Louisa Carrington Nee Johnson by a marriage
I am trying to make the connection between the two but failing with my limited resources
Regards thanks for the quick reply
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Just in case you don't have this..... :)
Louisa gives her father as William Evans at the time of her marriage in 1897
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01q5a/
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Louisa only became a Carrington in 1897 and was a Johnson by marriage (father - surname Evans)
In 1901 she was in the household of George Carrington
RG12 Piece 2736 Folio 141 Page 11
Louisa Johnson age 44 - widow
In 1881 RG11 Piece 3399 Folio 47 Page 6 she was Louisa Johnson a widow with children Charles Johnson 21 and Mary 16
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1901, for reference: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJ2-2BC
1891, Annie: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:468C-66Z
Louisa, 1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27K-PH1F
EVANS, CHARLES -
GRO Reference: 1858 J Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 06A Page 435
JOHNSON, CHARLES -
GRO Reference: 1860 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 06A Page 495
I can’t see Mary and Alice.
Jamjar
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This could be Louisa in 1851, mother's maiden name of Pearce - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGP4-1K7
EVANS, LUESA mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 172
EVANS, ABRAHAM mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 196
David
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This could be Louisa in 1851, mother's maiden name of Pearce - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGP4-1K7
David
1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M757-1SQ
EVANS, ANN mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 142
EVANS, JOSEPH mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1840 S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 159
EVANS, CHARLES mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1842 S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 161
EVANS, LUESA mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 172
EVANS, ABRAHAM mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 196
EVANS, ISAAC CHARLES mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1849 S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 183
EVANS, JACOB mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1851 S Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 26 Page 193
EVANS, DAVID mmn PEARCE
GRO Reference: 1853 J Quarter in HEREFORD AND DORE Volume 06A Page 421
Jamjar
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Thank you so much everyone
Louisa Evans 1845 Tupsley Hereford
Father William Evans Mother Mary Pearce
1860 Louisa Married Charles Tinklin He passed away 1868
1871 census saw her children in Hereford Workhouse not sure where Louisa was cannot find her in this Census
1881 Census Louisa is in Derby with two of her remaining children Abraham Charles and a Mary Diana
Their surname is now given as Johnson how did that come about I cannot find a marriage for Louisa and a Charles Johnson the supposedly ex Husband
Abraham Charles marriage certificate gives his Father as a Charles Johnson deceased
This is where I have the problem a marriage of Louisa and Charles Johnson and the so called Grand daughter Annie Micken ?? as her Mother Alice also came from Hereford so what is the connection
slightly confusing
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TINKLIN, ABRAHAMS CHARLES mmm EVANS
GRO Reference: 1861 M Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE Volume 06A Page 438
TINKLEN, ARATHE MATILDA mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1862 S Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE Volume 06A Page 430
TINKLIN, MARY DIANA mmn EVANS
GRO Reference: 1866 M Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE Volume 06A Page 478
Could this be Alice, who married Charles Meakin? ARATHE MATILDA
Jamjar
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Thank you Jamjar much appreciated
Regards
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you could be right is Arathe another name for Alice or would she have changed it as it was difficult to pronounce just searching for a marriage for her now
Thank you
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Just a thought
Arethe Matilda DoB 1862
and Alice in the 1901 census is given as DoB as 1858 it could be they rounded it off to nearest 0 or 5 year and also she did come from Hereford as given on the census
Thanks
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Just a thought
Arethe Matilda DoB 1862 and Alice in the 1901 census is given as DoB as 1858
it could be they rounded it off to nearest 0 or 5 year and also she did come from Hereford as given on the census
31 Dec 1862 Baptism Aretha parents Charles & Louisa TINKLIN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WQFD-GKMM
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Thank you Ladyhawk
I could find nothing on Aretha Matilda in the 1881 census
However I have found an Alice Johnson that married a Charles Wheatcroft 1881 in Derby
could these be the same person as her daughter Annie DoB 1883 is living with her Grandmother Louisa 1901 census
I can tie everything in but the surname Johnson was it made up or did Louisa marry a Charles Johnson
Regards
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Thank you Ladyhawk
I could find nothing on Aretha Matilda in the 1881 census
However I have found an Alice Johnson that married a Charles Wheatcroft 1881 in Derby
could these be the same person as her daughter Annie DoB 1883 is living with her Grandmother Louisa 1901 census
I can tie everything in but the surname Johnson was it made up or did Louisa marry a Charles Johnson
Regards :)
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Charles William Meakin
Birth 19 Jul 1881
Baptism 19 Jul 1881 Derby, St Luke, Derbyshire
Father: Charles Wheatcroft Meakin , greengrocer Mother: Alice
MEAKIN, CHARLES WILLIAM mmn JOHNSON
1881 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 523
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1881c Piece: 3401 Folio: 43 Page Number: 25
Mary Greatorex widow 56
Joseph Greatorex son 25
William Meakin son 21 Repton, Derbyshire
Alice Johnson lodger 19 Bedford
address 117 Boyer Street
1881 baptism record for Charles William Meakin address 159 Boyer Street
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Thank you lady Hawk
it certainly throws some facts up
regards
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daughter Annie DoB 1883 is living with her Grandmother Louisa 1901 census
Did Annie MEAKIN have a middle name Jemima and did she marry a James William Owen?
The reason I ask is there's a 1905 marriage in Debyshire
father name Charles Meakin occ labour and one witness is Charles JOHNSON
Edit to add her birth entry
MEAKIN, ANNIE JEMIMA mmn JOHNSON
1883 J Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 542
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My goodness just have to look back on messages I think your right
Thank you
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Is this the correct MEAKIN family on
1891 c ensus Piece: 2731 Folio: 127 Page: 20
Charles Meakin 35
Alice Meakin 28
Charles Meakin 9
Annie Meakin 8
John Meakin 5
Thomas Meakin 3
MEAKIN, JOHN HENRY mmn JOHNSON
1886 M Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 552
MEAKIN, THOMAS mmn JOHNSON
1887 S Quarter in DERBY Volume 07B Page 546
and 1901 census
Piece: 2642 Folio: 114 Page Number: 24
Charles Micken 45
Alice Micken 43
Charles Micken 19
T Micken 3
Thurza Micken 1
MEAKIN, THIRZA mmn JOHNSON
1899 S Quarter in BURTON UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 441
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yes Correct that would be the family Alice the wife born Hereford
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I would just like to thank everyone for their kind help and assistance today, I have found so any facts and even more questions but there is light at the end of the tunnel ,
I just need a bit more results
Thank you all again and lets hope 2021 is a better year for all
MerryChritmas ;) :)
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Louisa Evans 1845 Tupsley Hereford
Father William Evans Mother Mary Pearce
1860 Louisa Married Charles Tinklin He passed away 1868
1871 census saw her children in Hereford Workhouse not sure where Louisa was cannot find her in this Census
1881 Census Louisa is in Derby with two of her remaining children Abraham Charles and a Mary Diana
Their surname is now given as Johnson
Not sure if this census was added not that it helps I can't find her either on 1871 census :-\
1861 Piece: 1817 Folio:69 Page Number: 7
Charles Tinkling 23 Somerset labourer
Louisa 17 Tupsley, Herefordshire
Abraham 2 months ditto
Did Charles & Louisa have another child after Arathe Matilda Tinklin named Charles born 1863 died 1867 age 4?
TINKLING, CHARLES mmn EVANS
1863 D Quarter in HAY Volume 11B Page 145
TINKLIN, CHARLES age 4
1867 D Quarter in HEREFORD & DORE Volume 06A Page 305
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Morning Yes that is correct
Thank you
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Morning all
Having studied all this wonderful information that members have supplied I feel that the mother of this grandchild Alice Meakin is or was in fact Aretha Matilda as given in in 1871 census under the surname of Tinklin,
Like the rest of the family they changed their names for some reason when they left Hereford and took the name of Johnson,
Looking at it from the members point of view do you think this is a possibility, Still trying to find a marriage for Louisa Tinklin / Evans to a Charles Johnson
Thank you all for looking and I gratefully accept any thoughts on this
Regards
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Louisa Evans 1845 Tupsley Hereford
Father William Evans Mother Mary Pearce
Not sure if this census was added not that it helps I can't find her either on 1871 census :-\
1861 Piece: 1817 Folio:69 Page Number: 7
Charles Tinkling 23 Somerset labourer
Louisa 17 Tupsley, Herefordshire
Abraham 2 months ditto
This appears to be Louisa’s marriage to Charles Tinklin
Sep 1861
Evans Ellen Anne Cardiff 11a 261  
Evans Lowisa Cardiff 11a 261  
Spencer Richard Evans Cardiff 11a 261  
Tinkler Charles Cardiff 11a 261
and details from Glamorganshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1570-1994
Marriage 24 Aug 1861 Llandough, St Dochdwy, Glamorganshire, Wales
Charles Tinkler f/a labourer Father Samuel Tinkler labourer
Louisa Evans 20 father William Evans labourer
Both single, address Cogan Meadow, all made their mark (x)
the question is did Charles marry again saying he was single
Sep 1875
JONES Sarah Newport, M. 11a 237  
LONGFORD George Newport, M. 11a 237  
Phillips Mary Newport M 11a 237  
TINDINGKINT Charles Newport, M. 11a 237  
TINDINKINT Charles Newport, M. 11a 237 
Details from Monmouthshire, Wales, Anglican Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1551-1994
Mary Phillips age 27 father James
Marriage 6 Jul 1875 Mynyddislwyn, Monmouthshire, Wales
Charles Linding Rint 30 labourer father Samuel labourer
Charles & Mary both made their mark (x)
1881 census Charles born 1836 Somerset with wife Mary & dau Sarah
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-MR5B
dau Sarah Ann Tinklin mmn Phillips GRO indexes
1891 census two more children Samuel & John Arthur (mmn Phillips GRO indexes)
(think this Charles Tinklin married to Mary is probably the son of Samuel & Eliza)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:42QK-S3Z
1901 Charles Tinklin family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9TP-G6S
1911 Charles Tinklin family https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7PX-V23
Charles Tinklin on 1911 census looks to have died 1914 age 73 Newport Monmouthshire
Possible baptism
Charles Tincklin
Birth 24 Dec 1837
Baptism 27 Dec 1837 Kenn, Somerset
Father: Samuel Tincklin , labourer Mother: Elizo
TINKLIN, CHARLES mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in BEDMINSTER Volume 11 Page 72
1851 census entry Charles Tinklin age 13 bn Somerset son of Samuel & Eliza
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGGK-1T3
Charles not with Samuel & Eliza on 1841c
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ1C-3HQ
This could be Charles age 3 with Thomas & Elizabeth Tinklin both age 60 on 1841c
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ1C-3CZ
I’ve not found this Charles Tinklin on 1871 census will keep looking