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Title: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 18:29 GMT (UK)
hello everyone,i have been doing this years but have become very stuck...not my direct family so dont want to pay out for certs ...

i have rose.e funnell born 13 july 1922 in brighton sussex,married reginald streete in 1950 brighton,i have managed to find her parents through her mothers maiden name on birth registration

mother ,rosie mellis .father, frederick funnell

rosie mellis died 1927 (i think )

i cant find rosie mellis in 1911 or rosie.e funnell or her dad in 1939 ????

any help greatly received xx
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 02 January 21 18:39 GMT (UK)
Rootschat does not allow 1911 or 1939 lookups for copyright reasons

Have you tried using Family Search for the 1911 entry

Parents marriage was 1921 per freebmd

As Rosie was only 17 in 1939 her entry will be redacted until it's known when she died & records are updated
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 02 January 21 18:42 GMT (UK)
Look for siblings.
Tell us when/where the parents wed.
Give us SOME idea of how old they should be.
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: PaulineJ on Saturday 02 January 21 18:46 GMT (UK)
Given the 1922 child was Rose Edith, try looking for the mother as Edith Ros*.
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 02 January 21 18:57 GMT (UK)
There is a Rosie Mellish aged 13 - a patient in Sussex Hospital, Brighton - born Brighton. She should be on 1901 if age is correct. (In 1911)
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 02 January 21 18:58 GMT (UK)
Good thinking Pauline - candidate in 1900 on freebmd but would suggest purchasing the 1921 marriage cert to check fathers name
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:02 GMT (UK)
yes they was married in 1921 and rose born in 1922
just cant find rosie mellis anywhere before these dates
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:03 GMT (UK)
thank you pennines i will try and find that
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: CaroleW on Saturday 02 January 21 19:08 GMT (UK)
Longshot - could surname have been Melhuish which possibly sounds like Mellish or Mellis when spoken?
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 02 January 21 19:10 GMT (UK)
Yes Carole there is a baptism in London for someone of that name -- but she either marries someone else or dies (I've only recently looked and already can't remember why I discounted her!)
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:10 GMT (UK)
on the image (1911 census) it looks like a w more than an m :-/
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:15 GMT (UK)
NameRose E Funnell
Registration DateOct 1922
Registration QuarterOct-Nov-DecR
egistration districtBrightonInferred CountyEast Sussex
Mother's Maiden NameMellis
Volume Number2bPage number277Household Members
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 02 January 21 19:16 GMT (UK)
I know what you mean - but the first letter is very similar to the 'M' in McCarthy further up the page.

Having said that it's no real help as there are no parents' names of course.
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:17 GMT (UK)
NameRosie Mellis
Registration DateJul 1921
Registration QuarterJul-Aug-Sep
Registration districtBrightonInferred CountySussex
SpouseFrederick Funnell
Volume Number2bPage number529
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:28 GMT (UK)
paulinej i did give this info in my first post..no siblings born in brighton before the mother died that i can see
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: outlaw on Saturday 02 January 21 19:32 GMT (UK)
pennines its driving me insane lol
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Jamjar on Saturday 02 January 21 22:07 GMT (UK)
rosie mellis died 1927 (i think )

FUNNELL, ROSE  27 
GRO Reference: 1927  S Quarter in BRIGHTON  Volume 02B  Page 244

A long shot:

Dec 1879 Holborn 1b 1065   
MELLIS Henry
STEWART Ann Elizabeth

MELLIS, EDITH  ROSINA mmn STUART 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 429

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QWB2-LZM

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96R-HP8

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4L-JTV

Did you see that there is a Mary Mellis marrying in Brighton the following year. She may be a sister.

Jun 1922 Brighton 2b 486
HAYNES Edward
MELLIS Mary

You need to purchase the 1921 marriage cert, to get father’s name.

Jamjar



Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 03 January 21 17:38 GMT (UK)
Outlaw I so agree with Jamjar -- and I know you don't want to - but I think you are going to have to obtain the marriage cert in this case.

As you are looking at this case for a friend -- think of it as a good deed!!

(By the way you may not be able to find Rose Funnell in 1939 as she was only born in 1922 and may still be redacted unless info has been provided about her death - BUT she would have been old enough to have been working away from home, so may not be with her father.)

Frederick Funnell may have re-married and be with someone completely unknown to your friend - also we don't know his year of birth (unless I have missed something which someone has posted).
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 03 January 21 18:15 GMT (UK)
rosie mellis died 1927 (i think )

FUNNELL, ROSE  27 
GRO Reference: 1927  S Quarter in BRIGHTON  Volume 02B  Page 244

A long shot:

Dec 1879 Holborn 1b 1065   
MELLIS Henry
STEWART Ann Elizabeth

MELLIS, EDITH  ROSINA mmn STUART 
GRO Reference: 1900  S Quarter in EDMONTON  Volume 03A  Page 429

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QWB2-LZM

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X96R-HP8

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW4L-JTV

Did you see that there is a Mary Mellis marrying in Brighton the following year. She may be a sister.

Jun 1922 Brighton 2b 486
HAYNES Edward
MELLIS Mary

You need to purchase the 1921 marriage cert, to get father’s name.

Jamjar

I think you can count out Edith Rosina, given this marriage

Edith R Mellis
Timothy Groves
Q4 1922  Edmonton Vol   3a p   1146
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 03 January 21 19:16 GMT (UK)
There is a Rosie Mellish aged 13 - a patient in Sussex Hospital, Brighton - born Brighton. She should be on 1901 if age is correct. (In 1911)

Could 13 year old Rosie be a member of this Mellish family of hawkers/gypsies just a short distance away in Rottingdean in 1911? :-\
Mallish on free index on familysearch for some reason. Richard in the newspapers on several occasions.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7BR-R1R
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 03 January 21 19:22 GMT (UK)
This seems to be a son of Richard junior
Sep 1922 Brighton 2b 311
Mellis, Richard   
mother Willett   
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: jonw65 on Sunday 03 January 21 20:44 GMT (UK)
This seems to be a son of Richard junior

Earlier one? A daughter
Sep 1920 Portsmouth 2b 1013
Mellis, Rosina   
mother Willett   

17 year-old Rose Mellis of Landport up before the court
Portsmouth Evening News, 22 June 1938

Her father Richard in the papers too
Title: Re: very stuck !!
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 03 January 21 21:39 GMT (UK)
There's another family which may be of interest

Fred Millish & wife Clara (nee Stanley I think) - have connections with Brighton 

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSNT-FDY
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW68-J9R

I can't find any birth registrations for the children