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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Autumn9 on Sunday 03 January 21 12:05 GMT (UK)
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I need a fresh pair of eyes on a couple I am researching. I am looking for help to find any records for ANTHONY THOMAS and wife SUSANNA, possibly around the Dover area of Kent.
They had two daughters, Elizabeth born 1773 and Catherine born 1777. Their son, Anthony Lewis Thomas, was born 1779 in Dover, Kent. Anthony Lewis Thomas married Ann Maria East in 1801.
The parents names were found on the baptism records but I cannot find any other information about them apart from that Anthony Thomas died in 1790 in Dover. I cannot find any birth of marriage records for Anthony or Susanna. (A lot of other trees online show Susanna's surname as Tremaine, but I believe this to be a mistake from misreading the baptism documents).
Can anyone help me shed any light on this please? TIA.
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Are these more children :-\
Jeremiah Thomas
Baptism 09 Dec 1789
Dover, St Mary the Virgin
Father Anthony
Mother Susanna
Sarah Spice (?) Thomas.
Baptism 24 Nov 1782
Place Dover, St Mary the Virgin
Father Anthony
Mother Susanna
Susanna Thomas
Baptism 09 Apr 1775
Place Canterbury, St Alphege
Father Anthony
Mother Susanna
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Are these more children :-\
Jeremiah Thomas
Baptism 09 Dec 1789
Dover, St Mary the Virgin
Father Anthony
Mother Susanna
Sarah Spice (?) Thomas.
Baptism 24 Nov 1782
Place Dover, St Mary the Virgin
Father Anthony
Mother Susanna
Susanna Thomas
Baptism 09 Apr 1775
Place Canterbury, St Alphege
Father Anthony
Mother Susanna
I think they could possibly be, yes. I am just researching into them as we speak.
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I composed this reply last evening, then the internet went down! Try again.
4 children baptised Canterbury - Elizabeth 1773, Susanna 1775, Catherine 1777, Anthony Lewis 1779.
Anthony died 1790 in the workhouse.
I feel he may not be a local man, with the surname Thomas, and a son named Anthony Lewis. Welsh?
A marriage in Canterbury at about the right time may tie in with your mention of the name Tremaine, but is not entirely helpful! See below. I have not been back to re-check, but I think this was the only marriage coming anywhere near.
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I composed this reply last evening, then the internet went down! Try again.
4 children baptised Canterbury - Elizabeth 1773, Susanna 1775, Catherine 1777, Anthony Lewis 1779.
Anthony died 1790 in the workhouse.
I feel he may not be a local man, with the surname Thomas, and a son named Anthony Lewis. Welsh?
A marriage in Canterbury at about the right time may tie in with your mention of the name Tremaine, but is not entirely helpful! See below. I have not been back to re-check, but I think this was the only marriage coming anywhere near.
Thank you for your reply.
When looking at the baptism certificate it shows the names Tintony and Tremaine on the direct opposite page, which leads me to believe someone has misread the baptism records when researching and it’s just been copied and copied into other trees.
Either that or it is actually them and it’s been written incorrectly, and they got married at the same time they had the children baptised.
My immediate thought was Welsh but have yet to find any evidence.
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I don't quite understand. What do you mean by the baptism certificate? I am looking at the baptism register for Holy Cross Canterbury, 1773, baptism of Elizabeth. The children were all baptised at different times?
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Apologies, not the baptism certificate. I think it might be the parish records.
On the left are the three children, on the right is Tinthony/Tremaine.
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Not sure what that is, but it is not a parish register. It appears to be arranged in surname order.
This is the Parish register entry for Elizabeth.
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That surname of Tintony is so odd that I wonder if it was muddled thinking by the parson or his clerk mixing it with Anthony, in which case, Susanne Turmaine could be right.
I don't have access to the on-line trees you have seen, but I have found a baptism in Canterbury for Susanne Turmainne in 1754, father Jean and mother Catherine, which sounds French. It is a Familysearch record, so no original is available on the site I am using.
Just checked Familysearch and the baptism was in the Walloon Church in Canterbury. (Huguenot)
(You may already have that information!)
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Son Anthony and Wife Ann Bapt a Daug Susanna Tremain Thomas 05 Aug 1810 Buckland, Kent.
So I would say named after his Mother.
Trish :)
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Thank you both. I will have a look in to all the information.
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The Bapt I posted is on FreeREG :)
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The handwritten pages you posted, with names in alphabetical order is a (relatively!) modern transcription that someone did from the original parish registers, sorted in name order for convenience obviously pre computer era. I expect some Kent expert would give you the correct name of this index, I knowI have one or two of these images in my Kent collections. So it's possible some names have been misread if they were hard to decipher on the originals.
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The handwritten pages you posted, with names in alphabetical order is a (relatively!) modern transcription that someone did from the original parish registers, sorted in name order for convenience obviously pre computer era. I expect some Kent expert would give you the correct name of this index, I knowI have one or two of these images in my Kent collections. So it's possible some names have been misread if they were hard to decipher on the originals.
Ah interesting. That would make sense. Thank you.
I took a bit of a punt on someone else’s Ancestry tree information and went back a little bit further. It seems the names are correct, just transcribed incorrectly. The Thomas name is not Welsh at all in this case, and is in fact from the French Huguenots of Spitalfields. I’ve gone back two generations and located a Thomas Thomas but am struggling to get past him at the moment.
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If the Tree has Anthony born 1725 I am a little sceptical as he would be 47 when they married 1772.
Trish :)
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If the Tree has Anthony born 1725 I am a little sceptical as he would be 47 when they married 1772.
Trish :)
I don’t believe I have a birth for Anthony as yet. His wife (if indeed it is his wife!) was born 1754.
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Sorry I'm confused you said you looked at a Tree and went back 2 generations?
That Tree I found has Anthony born 1725, Parents Pierre Thomas and Mary Rebecca Flower
Pierres Parents Thomas Thomas and Martha Barbauld.
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Sorry i'm confused you said you looked at a Tree and went back 2 generations?
That Tree I found has Anthony born 1725, Parents Pierre Thomas and Mary Rebecca Flower
Pierres Parents Thomas Thomas and Martha Barbauld.
All that is correct but I haven’t found a birth record for Anthony as yet. I’m sure the other trees I’ve looked at don’t have birth details for him either and if they do it’s just a guess with no evidence to back it up.
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Very true.
If only the 1790 Burial had a age it would help :)
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Very true.
If only the 1790 Burial had a age it would help :)
Indeed. It’s really annoying! There’s more information about his parents online, but again it goes a bit sparse any further backwards.
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Not having Huguenot ancestors, I am not an expert, but I believe there are a lot of records and various societies. Have you tried these? As I mentioned earlier there has always been a Huguenot chapel in Canterbury Cathedral.
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Not having Huguenot ancestors, I am not an expert, but I believe there are a lot of records and various societies. Have you tried these? As I mentioned earlier there has always been a Huguenot chapel in Canterbury Cathedral.
I will look into this. Thank you