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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: FrancisGrn on Sunday 03 January 21 17:54 GMT (UK)
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Could I please request a date for these two pictures? The one on the left is Daniel George Jenman (1820-?). The one on the right is Mary Jane Elizabeth Lowther (1829-1897) The photos were presumably taken in London. Could I also please request a colourisation and restoration?
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b&w
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Hi Francis and welcome to Rootschat, I would say these were taken in the 1870s, most likely mid-late decade.
Added...Could you possibly scan them individually at 300-400dpi as they pixelate badly on enlargement and is very hard on the eyes. The results will be much clearer.
This is what we see!
Carol
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Sorry, we were sent the scans from a cousin that I contacted on Ancestry. We don't actually have the originals yet (I might try and print out the photo), so I unfortunately can't scan it at a higher resolution :'(
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Ok, never mind Francis we will work with what you have provided :)
Carol
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I'd agree with Carol re dates - maybe the lady was late 1870s-early 1880s.
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Mary Lowther - back and white
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And toned. I have to use my other machine for colouring and it's pretty cold up there. Maybe I can get it done tomorrow :-\
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I've tried with Daniel but not happy as yet. I've added a little texture to this one.
I suppose we'll have even more time to do things now.
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and a tone
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I've just tweeked this as I thought the previous one was a bit flat.
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Nice work, Gadget, on a couple of difficult-looking ones.
Opposite conditions to you, here in Oz. We have mild summer weather and a house full of visitors.
Here's hoping the vaccines can make 2021 a better year.
Peter
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Nice work there Gadget on a tricky subject.
Just an observation to FrancisGrn - Are you sure this man was born in 1820?
Going by the 1870s date, he would be about 50ish and he doesn't look that old - (to me anyhow)
Anyone care to dispute my thoughts?
Wiggy
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Thanks both :)
Peter - we are again in total lockdown until mid Feb at the earliest but it's also very cold!
Wiggy - think you're right about Daniel. He looks more early 30s than 50s to me.
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Lovely work Gadget especially on the Gent 8)
I agree with Wiggy, the dates are right but maybe wrongly named person?
Carol
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Thanks, Carol :)
'Daniel's' clothing is very much 1870s.
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I think so, it's his age at the time that throws doubt on his identity :-\
Carol
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If he's in his 30s, as I've estimated, He would have been born in late 1830s to late 1840s. Francis, have you anyone who matches that tiemscale?
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In addition to the 1820-21 one (d 1883), there is also a D G J (aged 23 so b.c. 1848) in the 1871 census, Bankers' clerk, b. Clerkenwell.
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See 1861 census RG09/52/35/25 Clerkenwell. Daniel b. 1848 is son of Daniel b. c, 1822 and Mary, b.c. 1829.
Gadget.
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Well done Gadget, I think you have solved it :D
Carol
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Would certainly seem to tally with apparent age of the man doesn't it. ;)
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I think the early records suggest that there was a surname change from Callaghan to Jenman. 1951 censuses show Callaghan. Mary Lowther married D G Callaghan in 1845.
DG, the younger, was registered Q3, 1847, Clerkenwell. MMN Lowther
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Add - just found a baptism - Church of Holy Saviour, Saffron Hill, Holburn for Daniel George Callaghan bpt 1 Aug 1847, b. 1 July 1847. Parents - Daniel George and Mary Callaghan
It doesn't make sense really!
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My try at restoring and colouring as requested
Pat
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Hi
Thank you all for your wonderful work on my ancestors' photos. Its' a real treat to be able to see them more clearly! In response to a few questions:
Yes, Daniel Jenman was born in 1820 as far as the records are correct. The photo was shared with us by a relative we met on ancestry, who says that the photos were handed down by her grandmother, and 'ma's grandfather' is clearly on the back of the photo. Besides, they don't look anything alike, so I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that they were brother and sister!. In response to some suggestions from you, yes, Daniel Jenman and his entire family changed their surname to Jenman from Callaghan, the surname of his father. Family lore says that Jenman worked at the Evening Standard, and the change was done to avoid anti-Irish prejudice. Jenman's father was an Irish soldier. The surname is actually a corruption of his mother's surname, Ginman. I assume they changed it so as to not be associated with gin, which casued a moral panic at the time (mother's ruin). Anyway, thank you very much
Francis
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tried but failed to sort the mottling blots in the original, so I produced this instead, cheers, Ian