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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: Pricey4848 on Monday 04 January 21 19:09 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find the birth and wedding of William Almond (Allmond) who is shown as born Middlewich c1840.
His wife was called Margaret born around 1852 in Lymm (Nothing on Margaret before 1881).
I have them living in Manchester in 1881 census and Margaret is a widow by 1891.
William and Margaret had following children: Hannah (1874 B Lymm) George ( 1877 B Lymm) Elizabeth ( 1879 B Manchester) William (1885 B MCR) Harry (1890 B MCR)
Thanks
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Have you considered
William Almond
Marr 1860
TO
Margaret Ellen Allenden,
Consider Almond for sure
Louisa Maud
PS Williams birth 1840, Margaret date of birth shown on a family tree , her date of birth is shown as 1850, surely she didn't marry at 10.?.
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Pricey, don't feel comfortable with information above, found a William and Margaret on 1881, William aged 41 and Margaret aged 31, plus children sure if there are 2 families with similar names
LM
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THERE SEEMS TO BE A PREVIOUS TOPIC ON ALMOND FAMILIES
LM
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if you check the scan of the 1881 census then entry for George looks more like 11 than 4 and would a 4 year old be noted as scholar?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-6537
George shows as 29 on the 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9LY-3ZF
Possibly this family in Lymm in 1871?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXL-TV9
Marriage 12 Feb 1866 in the parish church of Lymm
William Horman full age bach boatman Lymm father James Horman stone mason
Margaret Harrison 19 spinster Lymm father John Harrison labourer
witnesses Robert(?) Hewitt & Mary Miller, only Robert signs.
Birth regs
George Horman sept qtr 1870 Altrincham vol 8a pg 179 mmn Harrison
Hannah Allman march qtr 1874 Altrincham vol 8a pg 197 mmn Harrison
Elizabeth Allman march qtr 1880 Manchester vol 8d pg 274 mmn Harrison
Hannah baptised 8 May 1874 in Lymm daughter of William Allmond, boatman, & Margaret
Also Sarah Ann baptised 7 July 1872 daughter of William Allman, labourer, & Margaret
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osprey, just been down exactly the same route as you. Just to add in 1891 census there are William c 1885 (born mq 1885 mmn Harrison) & Harry c1890, (born sq 1889 mmn Harrison)
John
added, there was a Sarah Ann Allman born mq 1872 mmn Harrison.
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Glad I'm not out on a limb! :D
Burial 1 Feb 1880 in Lymm for Sarah Ann Ormond - another variant.
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Just on the lighter side of this post it started with Almond/Allmond, Margaret on 1891 census is transcribed on Anc* as ALLNUTT :D
John
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And there was I loking for Almond/Allmond
LM
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And I thought LM you were switching off with a glass of vino. :)
John
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Good idea John but it won't help me sleep
LM
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I've just found a family of 5 Almon children in Northwich all noted as illegitimate on the census in the occupation column, transcribed on FindMyPast as Magistrate even for the 1 year old! RG9/2607 folio 53 pg 2
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Possible birth for Margaret
Births Sep 1848 mother's maiden name Leigh
HARRISON Margaret Altrincham 19 20
Possible marriage of parents
Marriages Sep 1838
DAWSON Joseph Altrincham 19 4
HANKINSON Sarah Altrincham 19 4
HARRISON John Altrincham 19 4
LEIGH Sarah Altrincham 19 4
PERRY Elizabeth Altrincham 19 4
SCHOFIELD James Altrincham 19 4
WALTON Alice Altrincham 19 4
WARBURTON Thomas Altrincham 19 4
John
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so this family in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7KS-GWW
Margaret was a fustian cutter on the 1871 census as well.
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I should have checked the 1871 census more closely. William, Margaret and young George were at the top of one page and widowed Sarah was the last entry on the previous page.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXL-TJB
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Yep.
J
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baptism in Lymm 3 Sept 1848 for Margaret daughter of John Harrison, labourer, & Sarah.
parish marriage 13 Sept 1838 parish church of Bowden
John Harrison full age bach labourer Bollington father's details blank
Sarah Leigh full age spinster Bollington father Peter Leigh labourer
Both mark, witnesses Henry Service and Elizabeth Harrison both sign.
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Hi,
Don't know if this makes much sense but using the surname Horman (which was transcribed on his wedding certificate in 1866) I can find a couple of variants for William which may be of interest.
1841 surname Hersom - living in Wheelock Street, Middlewich with parents James and Mary
1851 no sign of William but using a sister Maria (Born 1836) surname is shown as Husom - she becomes a Challinor). Looks like James had died c1845 and widow Mary was in Middlewich with 2 daughters.
1861 currently no trace of William but in 1871 his surname now showing as Herman.
There is also a baptism on 15 May 1840 using the surname Heesom at Middlewich which appears to tie in to 1841 census.
Over to you!
Alan
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think that William may be the grandson of James & Mary
1841 - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7MB-42V
baptism 15 May 1840 son of Mary, spinster
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DYW2-R9?i=421
Mary was baptised 20 Feb 1820 daughter of James, publican, & Mary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH8W-TW5
but there's a burial 15 Feb 1843 for a 3 year old William Walter Heesom
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-63XZ-PR
There is this William from 1851 census.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG2X-Q9G
He's not leaping out of other records. The only other record I've found so far for Elias is his marriage in 1867 when his occupation is boatman as was William's on his marriage.
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think this family could be worth another look.
The George, son of Mary, transcribed as 16 but shows as 6 on the census, was baptised 7 Jan 1844 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TY-46X
George in 1861 census - boatman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWMC-WDL
George in 1871 census - boatman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBX8-S49
James was baptised 2 May 1849
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TY-6ZK
James in 1881 census - boatman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q272-VDMY
I wonder if this could be William's baptism at Sandbach? Hannah's abode noted as Betchton
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQT9-WMG
Thomas is on the 1871 census twice, once at Newton Boat Common
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFP-332
also occupation boatman in Kinderton with mother Hannah who is housekeeper to James Hough, bricklayer
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFG-PLN
Could James Hough be the inspiration for William's father on the marriage registration?
Parish entry for marriage below
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7D5-D1N
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Hi,
I think you are on to something with the Allman posts.
William's 1842 christening details show his mother Hannah's abode as Malkins Bank - this is a canalside community between Wheelock and Middlewich on the Trent & Mersey Canal. She is shown as a Spinster.
Hannah and her sister Mary, were christened in Middlewich (1820 and 1825 respectively) - father was Elias
If you do a name search for Allman on boatfamilies.website - whilst it doesn't specify the Middlewich Allman family it shows 52 Allman family members active on the north west canal network.
Alan
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that seems to tie in them. ;)
Hannah's baptism with image shows Elias as shoemaker
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TR-LJM
and Mary's
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TT-9G6
Several more children to the couple in Middlewich
William 1809
Ann 1811
Sarah 1813
Betsy & Thomas 1816
Elias 1822
Elias noted as shoemaker on the new style registers except for the baptisms for Betsy & Thomas where he is a boatman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TR-XH5
Elias Almond married Mary Taylor in Middlewich 27 Dec 1808
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH89-999
Elias in 1861
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGR5-WHD
and has a new wife by 1871
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7XB-QGZ
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was any of this helpful, Pricey4848? You've been on the boards but there's been no reply.
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was any of this helpful, Pricey4848? You've been on the boards but there's been no reply.
Its been amazing and a little mind blowing...ive been working through it to try and make sense of it all so thank you all for your input......i think i stick to rigidly to exact surname spellings and dont make enough allowances for mis spelling in transcribing etc...
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if you check the scan of the 1881 census then entry for George looks more like 11 than 4 and would a 4 year old be noted as scholar?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27P-6537
George shows as 29 on the 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9LY-3ZF
Possibly this family in Lymm in 1871?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBXL-TV9
Marriage 12 Feb 1866 in the parish church of Lymm
William Horman full age bach boatman Lymm father James Horman stone mason
Margaret Harrison 19 spinster Lymm father John Harrison labourer
witnesses Robert(?) Hewitt & Mary Miller, only Robert signs.
Birth regs
George Horman sept qtr 1870 Altrincham vol 8a pg 179 mmn Harrison
Hannah Allman march qtr 1874 Altrincham vol 8a pg 197 mmn Harrison
Elizabeth Allman march qtr 1880 Manchester vol 8d pg 274 mmn Harrison
Hannah baptised 8 May 1874 in Lymm daughter of William Allmond, boatman, & Margaret
Also Sarah Ann baptised 7 July 1872 daughter of William Allman, labourer, & Margaret
I know the 1901 census is correct because its my Grandmother Margaret Almond`s (B 1907) family (sisters and parents)
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yes, it's the correct family, doesn't mean that the age is totally correct. There's often variance in ages on census entries as well as variants of surnames. Birthdays weren't celebrated than as now and little need to know how old a person was.
Rather than black and white, there's a lot of grey areas when you're researching family history.
;)
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All
Thanks you again so much for your knowledge...you are levels ahead of my ability!!
I've been reviewing all the information and hopefully below is correct as my understanding:
Gpong from youngest to oldest:
George Almond married Elizabeth Barnes
George`s parents were: William Almond B c1840 and Margaret Harrison c1852
William c1840 has a number of variations of his surname such as Horman/Allman/Hersom/Heesom but all in and about Middlewich Parish.
William c1840 mother is Mary Heeson (spinster) and is baptised 1841.
Mary`s parents are James Heesom (c1777-1781) and Mary (c1778-1791)
No father identified for William c1840.
Margaret Harrison c1852 parents are John Harrison (c1804) and Sarah Leigh (c1815) who marry in Bowden 1838.
Have I understood all the information correctly?? Thanks
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Yes, apart from the Heesom link. That William Heesom died as an infant.
William would seem to be the son of Hannah Allman+variants baptised 30 May 1842 at Sandbach
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQT9-WMG
Hannah is the daughter of Elias & Mary and was baptised 21 May 1820 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TR-LJM
Elias Almond married Mary Taylor 27 Dec 1808 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH89-999
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Parish entry for the marriage of William & Margaret is on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7D5-D1V
Baptism for Margaret Harrison 3 Sept 1848
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7D2-BYP
Baptism for Elias Allman 7 Dec 1788 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQZB-4HS
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Yes, apart from the Heesom link. That William Heesom died as an infant.
William would seem to be the son of Hannah Allman+variants baptised 30 May 1842 at Sandbach
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQT9-WMG
Hannah is the daughter of Elias & Mary and was baptised 21 May 1820 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F3TR-LJM
Elias Almond married Mary Taylor 27 Dec 1808 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NH89-999
So my William Almond c1840 is son of Hannah with no father identifed so took mother`s name obviously.
Hannah is daughter of Elias c1788 and Mary Taylor
Elias c1788 ends up living in Manchester 1861 and 1871
Where does James Heesom c 1771-1781 and his wife Mary then feature??
I initially presumed they were William c1840 grandparents but that cant be correct if Hannah is his mum and his grandparents are Elias & Mary given he has no father identifed anywhere.
It does seem a big variation to me the names Almond to Heesom...I get Allman and maybe Horman but struggle with Hersom / Heesom as variants ...
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forget the Heesoms, they are not linked.
;D
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Parish entry for the marriage of William & Margaret is on FamilySearch
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7D5-D1V
Baptism for Margaret Harrison 3 Sept 1848
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F7D2-BYP
Baptism for Elias Allman 7 Dec 1788 in Middlewich
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQZB-4HS
Osprey
On the wedding entry for William and Margaret above James`s name is recorded as Horman and not Allmond / Almond/Allman...he is shown with a father called James Horman but i thought we established my James`s mother was Hannah Almond and we didnt know who his father was so he took Hannah`s surbame (Almond) ???
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Something to bear in mind is that a blank where the father's name should be was often filled with a little white lie. The name was sometimes inspired by the name of a grandfather or the man who was the father figure in the household. Another thing you may see is the actual first name of the father but with the same surname as the person marrying, again to cover up illegitimacy.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBFG-PLN
This 1871 census for William's mother, Hannah, and brother, Thomas, shows her as housekeeper to James Hough, a bricklayer. This is why I suggested that this James could be the inspiration for James the mason on William's marriage cert. Housekeeper is quite often the word used when a couple are living together but not married, possibly can't marry as one of them is already married to someone else.
What you find on certificates and census entries is only part of a picture and should not be assumed to be totally accurate. You need to look at everything you can find to build up the most likely background for a person. There may be differences in implied dates of birth from census entries, differences in places of birth, variants of surnames. it all adds to the fun!
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