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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: Dalesman on Sunday 17 January 21 18:24 GMT (UK)
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I’d be grateful if anyone could help me with information regarding James Chapman Born 1692. Edinburgh. All I know about him is that one of his children, also called James Chapman, Born 1717 who married Margaret Bell at St. Cuthbert’s Church, Edinburgh May, 1744.
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If any info that far back is available it will be on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk which is a pay per view site
How do you know he was born in Edinburgh 1692?
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There are only two recorded James Chapmans baptised in 1717. One in Oyne (Aberdeenshire) and one in Wemyss (Fife).
What is your source for the James Chapman who married Mary Bell being born in 1717, and for his father having been born in 1692 in Edinburgh?
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The names and Edinburgh were on a note passed onto me years ago. I don’t know how the name or place of birth were originally found.
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Ah. Because I can't see anything in the surviving records at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
What more do you know about James Chapman and Mary Bell?
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Also among the notes were reference to the marriage of James Chapman b1717 and Mary Bell b1717 at St. Cuthberts Church, Edinburgh on the 20th May 1744.
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Have you got the marriage entry from Scotlandspeople? Occasionally these give some extra information which is useful.
The reference no is 685/2 160 22
Dorrie
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I have James CHAPMAN miller & Mary BELL as my 5xgtgdparents. Their marriage record makes me totally confident that Mary is d/o George BELL taylor & Mary PURDIE bpt 15 Apr 1717 Corstorphine. James is s/o "James Chapman deceased Miller in West Kirk Paroch" - that much is documented.
Because of milling connections down the generations in this Chapman family, I have chosen to identify the father as James CHAPMAN, miller at Balgonie Mill, Markinch, Fife h/o Agnes ANDERSON. Their son was youngest of at least four children, born 20 Nov 1720 at Balgonie Mill - which worries me because that makes him younger than his wife and I have found (up in Banffshire) millers tended to marry quite a later than their farm servant counterparts. I haven't found any record of his death which might have given his age, but he seems to have lived his entire married life at Carrick Knowe, St Cuthberts, not as a miller but as servitor to Mungo Punton at Balgreen.
There is a whole bunch of Chapmans in Fife in Markinch and Wemyss. One of them is indeed a James CHAPMAN born 7 Sep 1717 in Hairlaw in Wemyss but his parents (James CHAPMAN & Janet LAWSON) married 20 Dec 1703 so I don't see where that 1692 date comes from: it would be more like 1680.
Have we corresponded before?
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Comparing other family trees, so far i have a James Chapman b. 1717 m. 24/5/1747 St. Cuthbert's Church, Edinburgh to Margaret Bell b.1717.
James father also called James born 25/5/1692 at Kettle, Fife, wife unknown.
James parents Robert Chapman and Jannet Naughtone.
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<<Comparing other family trees, so far i have a James Chapman b. 1717 m. 24/5/1747 St. Cuthbert's Church, Edinburgh to Margaret Bell b.1717.>>
Where did you or they find that marriage record? There's no such in ScotlandsPeople Index (or IGI).
My James Chapman & Mary Bell married 20 May 1744 St Cuthberts. Mary Bell was born 15-4-1717 Corstorphine, as you yourself have cited (although you've also called her Margaret). Both those events can be found via ScotlandsPeople.
<<James father also called James born 25/5/1692 at Kettle, Fife, wife unknown.>>
Interesting. What's the evidence that this James who was born in 1692 had a son born 1717 and who then married 1747 (or 1744)?
I cited the one known local James Chapman born 1717 (another was born in Oyne, Aberdeenshire) but I've shown that his father couldn't have been born in 1692, because he married in 1703.
Seems to me that these 'other family trees' have been indulging in guesswork and/or hopework. But if there is real evidence, I'd be delighted to check it out.
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Thanks for all replies, still not sure about James b. 1692 no doubt I'll find out one day,
Dalesman!