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My Grandmother worked as a domestic aged 14 at a place called Rose Hall Brightside on the 1901 census.
I cant find any information or photos just wondering if anyone can help.
Kind regards.
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Sarah E Lowe?
It's Rose Hill, not Rose Hall.
See https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/233190-memories-of-rose-hill-brightside/
(https://i.imgur.com/nO0kAZj.jpg)
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I see you mentioned it before
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=354827.msg2396760#msg2396760
I was about to give this link but see that Shaun has put it up.
:)
See https://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/topic/233190-memories-of-rose-hill-brightside/
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She worked in the household of John Chas Wood.
On March 5th at 2, Rose Hill, Brightside, John C Wood, in his 50th year. Interment Tinsley Park Cemetery, Wednesday, 3.15.
(Sheffield Daily Telegraph 8 March 1904, page 4)
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oh you are all fab been a while since i have been on here .
many thanks .
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Many of you will know icould never find anymore out about Sarah,even sending off for her birth certifcate and seems that didnt help as they couldnt find her!
is that it ? no more i can do ?I know her fathers name but thats it i am afraid.
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What is her father's name and anything else about her? I assume it's from her marriage cert.
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Was her father's name George?
There's a possible family in 1891 written as Law. Furnival Street, Sheffield
Ref RG12/3822/29/11
Father- George, Mother - Clara. Sarah Ellen aged 3.
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Albert Lowe born Sheffield i have 1860 but maybe i dreamt that !
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There are two possibles - one a metal smith and one a silver engraver - similar occupations - but neither has a Sarah :-\
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Hi again
On the 1901 census that you referred to, she is down as b. Sheffield and aged 14 (so born c1887) but on an old thread of yours, you say she was born Derbyshire 1889 and married Nottingham in 1917.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=293446.0
Is the Rose Hill 1901 that you refer the correct person :-\
Gadget
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There's an 1894-1900 National School (Brightside Nursery First School (Girls)) record for Sarah Ellen Lowe born 5 April 1886 - she would have been 14 at the time of the 1901 census - parent or guardian Mrs Hayes, Clay Yard. Previously at a catholic school.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBOR/SCHOOOL/P3/GBOR/SCHOOOL/P3/5520834
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The 1911 census records your Sarah as born Sheffield
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=294140.0
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well on her death certificate it says she was 79 when she died and the date of death is 1st march 1966.
on her wedding certificate it says...she was 28 in 1917.....
1966-79 = 1887
1917 -28 = 1889
What age is given on the 1911, Shaun?
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If she was born 5 April 1886 then she would have been 79 at date of death on 1 March 1966. Five weeks short of her 80th birthday. That ties in.
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1901 12, Clay Yard, Brightside Bierlow:
Joseph Hays 37 Head General Labourer Nottingham
Mary E Hays 37 Wife Yorkshire
Clara L Lowe 17 Step Daughter Sheffield
Joseph Lowe 15 Step Son Sheffield
Mary E Hays 8 Daughter Sheffield
Edith A Hays 6 Daughter Sheffield
Minnie Hays 2 Daughter Sheffield,
Joseph Roebuck 60 Father in law Rotherham
John A Roebuck 30 Brother in law Durham
Willie Roebuck 21 Brother in law Yorkshire
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and the 1891 does have a Sarah E Roebuck with them b.c. 1891.
Add RG12/3834/114/13
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Yes - I'm just looking at the 1891. Sarah E Roebuck is just 6 months old so can't be Sarah E Lowe.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/6598/images/WRYRG12_3834_3835-0231
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On the 1939 census she is down as being born 5th march 1888.
she was married on the 28th April 1917 in Nottingham.
Her father was a metal smith.
One of her daughters was Clara.
I sent away for her birth certificate but was told there was no trace of her whatsoever.
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One of her daughters was Clara.
Would that be Clara Lily? Maybe named after Clara Lily Lowe (married Albert Spivey in 1907)?
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Clara Lily Smith -Lowe was my aunt Sarahs daughter born 1910.
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Clara Lilian Law mmn Roebuck born 1883
GRO Reference: 1883 S Quarter Sheffield Volume 09C Page 515
Joseph Law mmn Roebuck born 1885
GRO Reference: 1885 M Quarter Sheffield Volume 09C Page 468
They are presumably children of Annie Hays as listed in the 1891 census.
It looks like Sarah Ellen Lowe was most likely the daughter of Mary E Hays who is listed on the 1901 census. EDIT - I'm not so sure about that now. Joseph's wife on the 1911 census is Annie again. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWKK-Y6B "Mary E" must be a transcription error by the enumerator.
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thanks so much for taking a look for me.
so possibly she was adopted or changed her name ?
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Joseph Hayes and Annie Law (widow, 25) were married at Emmanuel Church, Sheffield on Christmas Day 1889. Her father Joseph Roebuck.
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There is a death for an Albert Law aged 24 in Sheffield in 1887. He was buried at Burngreave cemetery on 25 October.
Marriage for Albert Law, 19, a grinder, (father Edward Law, a grinder) and Annie Roebuck Helliwell (father Joseph Roebuck Helliwell, wire drawer), spinster, 18, at Christ Church, Pitsmoor, 28 November 1882.
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well on her death certificate it says she was 79 when she died and the date of death is 1st march 1966.
on her wedding certificate it says...she was 28 in 1917.....
1966-79 = 1887
1917 -28 = 1889
What age is given on the 1911, Shaun?
Death age are usually not that accurate to the months in a year as most informants of a death to the registrar are not always family members with birth date details and just know the deceased's age at time of death.
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You should know by now, Dobfarm, that I am quite aware of the vagaries of ages and deaths given.
:)
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Sorry Gadget, I was more referring to member my family tree in the box
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So i have now seen the Schools admissions and yes indeed seems Sarah e Lowe was there twice, first on the 20th August 1894,then re admission on 25 April 1899.
It says parent or Guardian was a Mrs Hayes of 6 Bright Street Clay pole yard. It also says her previous school was catholic. It says her reasons for leaving was she was removed.
Her date of birth is listed as 5th April 1886 strongly i have my Sarah as the 5th march 1888 if this is her she was possible born out of wedlock or took in by another family ?
A couple of interesting things have also popped up so am hoping after 15 years of searching may finally be getting somewhere.
Can i just ask how could i find records of her first admission or adoption would it be the Archives ?I know in those days possibly it may not have been an official adoption.
I also see that Joseph was actually from Nottingham so am wondering if that's she why ended up back there from sheffield ?
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These might fit
Sheffield Q2,/1887, 9c, 505
Sarah Ellen Law mmn is Helliwell
Sheffield Q1 1888 9c, 459
Sarah Ellen Law, mmn Bentley
I'm not sure if we've discussed them before but I've certainly looked at them. The only problem is mothers' maiden names.
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The 1887 birth with mmn Helliwell certainly fits - see reply # 25 re marriage of Albert Law and Annie Roebuck Helliwell.
Also - on the 1891 census for Nether Hallam there is a Luther Roebuck with an adopted daughter Sarah E, aged 4.
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Missed your Reply #25, Shaun.
I must have looked at them the other day as they are showing in my previous searches.
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I THINK and still searching that Annie Roebuck Halliwell married Albert Law in 1882 they had Sarah and he died in 1887.She then married Joseph Hayes in 1889.....
And with the Yorkshire accent Lowe/Law sound very similar.