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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: weenie on Thursday 28 January 21 20:24 GMT (UK)
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Hi, im wondering if you kind folk would like to help me out and try find Thomas Barker between birth and the 1881 census please?.
I have his birth as Thomas Barker b 16th Feb 1860 Basthorpe Copy ?? Broseley , to mother Mary Ann Barker no occupation of mother.
Thomas appears in 1881 census living as Boarder with John and Eleanor Humphries, John Humphries is Illigitimate to mother Mary Ann Humphries who is my 2nd gt aunt, Mary Ann mother is Ann Barker and i have a feeling Thomas is fitting somewhere in this lot.
thankyou
Weenie
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oK so i guess Thomas Barker b 16th feb isnt mine as he died July qtr 1860 .... so who is my John Barker in the 1881 census?
Weenie
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The 1881 census gives his age as 22 so could be a birth 1859/1860.
Just looking at the birth place Madeley as given on the 1881 census there is a choice of 2 on the GRO index.
Thomas Edward Barker, mother's maiden name CHADWICK
1859 June 1/4 MADELEY Vol 6a page 591
Thomas James Barker. mmn HURDLEY
1860 June 1/4 in MADELEY Vol 6a page 575
On the same page FreeBMD
Marriages Sept 1/4 1854
James Barker. Ellen Hurdley. Madeley 6a/984
Marriages June 1/4 1857
William Barker. Mary Hurdley. Madeley 6a/1138
Can't see a Barker to Chadwick marriage in Shropshire up to 1860 as yet.
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Let's wind forward a bit. When & where did your Thomas Barker marry? Do you have a copy of his marriage cert showing his fathers name?
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The one with John and Eleanor was born in Madeley, and aged 22, so how about this family. All born in Madeley except as shown
Thomas Barker 37 waggoner
Eliza Barker 41 b Broseley
Emma Jane Barker 5
Mary Elizth Barker 3
Thomas Edward Barker 2
John Barker 8
RG 9; 1858; 70; 9;
mother's maiden name for these children is Chattock/Chaddock/Chadwick
Marriage to Eliza Chaddock Q3 1846
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Thomas James Barker, son of James and Ellen, is still at home in 1881
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hi, ive tried Thomas James Barker, but still at home with parents James and Ellen in 1881 census
i have not got anything on Thomas just 1881 census.. im trying to connect dna matches up and its in the Barker /humphries area so trying to do all branches from my Ann Barker forward and backwards.
and with Thomas been a border its just a hunch he related to John Humphries
Weenie
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So how did you single him out as the right Thomas Barker on the 1881 census with so little info?
Who is "my Ann Barker"
You really need to give more info as to what your starting point is? Can you also clarify your reply #1 "so who is my JOHN Barker in the 1881 census" Is the name just a typo?
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I've been trying to follow this thread but found it confusing.
I agree with Carole, there's a lot of missing info. as to how you got to Thomas Barker & Mary Ann to connect into the Humphries.
Your opening post lends no info. on dates/places/ages only names.
I agree again with Carole, you really need a good starting point for people to work from.
Annie
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Sorry if i havent explained correctly,
i have done both mine and my mums dna ancestry. on there we have lots of dna matches connected to our Humphries /Hughs/Barker line there is one group of 10 people that share a common ancestor on this area, due to DNA painter/my heritage clusters and obvioulsy other shared matches where it shows on my mums as common ancestor link. so
my line goes like this
James Humphries 1882 (mums grandfather)
Thomas Humphries and Ann Ferriday Hughs (mums gt grandparents)
John Humphries and Ann Barker (mums gt gt grandparents )
John and Ann children are :
Emma 1821( i dont think this emma is theres though )
Elizabeth 1822
Mary Ann 1825
Edmund 1827
Sarah 1832
Thomas 1837 ( our line)
now Mary Ann had a son (unknown father ) John Humphries b1846 in the 1881 census he appears with wife and children aliong with "Boarder" Thomas Barker b1859 - this is who im trying to trace because to try connect the group of 7 DNA cluster match i 90% know it falls between Ann Barker and her parents other children due to the CM between them. these 8 DNA matches all have 1 thing in common, they share the same dad/grandfather so 3 sets mother and daughter/son then 1 person shares cm with all of us ..but dont know where he belongs though and then some of the group share dna matches with my mum and those that have common ancestor already linked/proven to be the above area Humphries/Hughs/Barker area.
so i dont know if Thomas Barker is connected or not, but trying to work out. just thought with surname barker in John Humphries household it could may well be a cousin etc.
hope this is better written out for you. thankyou
Weenie
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i thought Thomas Barker born 1860 was the one i was looking for , so ordered birth cert. that came yesterday and was illigitmate to Mary Ann Barker, however on trying to look further , i noticed he died in June qt 1860 which is why i put that as my second reply.
i then also tried the 2 you also suggested , Thomas Edward and Thomas James,
Thomas James is with his parent on an 1881 census, and last night i traced Thomas Edward and his parents and im in middle of doing this by each branch to see if this line of Barkers connect to my Ann Barker
does this make better sense?
Weenie
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Yes - much better thank you.
I think you need look at later censuses for Thomas as the only way you may connect him is via a fathers name in a marriage cert.
If he also turns out to be illegit - his mother may have married & he could be under a different surname on earlier censuses
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The only one I can see in 1891 b Madeley is Thomas James - he's married & living in Staffordshire. He was ruled out in an earlier reply as he was still with parents in 1881
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The only other in the age range was b Longden Common Shrewsbury - parents were Richard & Eliza. He married in Liverpool 1887. Not with parents in 1881
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Thankyou Carol,
im on with Thomas Edward... a little tree floating around, i will keep this other one close, incase im barking up wrong branch.
Weenie
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A possible death? Not a million miles away
Thomas Edward Barker
Registration Q4 1888
Age at Death: 28
Wolverhampton Vol: 6b p 441
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so i dont think it Thomas Edward Barker either??
he marries Eliza Ann Titterson, and moves to Massachusetts has 3 children b 1884, 1890, 1894 now says on 1900 census for Massachusetts that Eliza came over in 1883 and that Thomas - although says name Joseph cam over aged 4 in 1864 !! in 1910 census says Thomas Edward came over 1874 ???
Weenie
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A possible death? Not a million miles away
Thomas Edward Barker
Registration Q4 1888
Age at Death: 28
Wolverhampton Vol: 6b p 441
According to GRO this Thomas Edward death age is 28 so fits too......
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Thanks for extra info. as it makes sense to me now.
"John and Ann children are :
Emma 1821( i dont think this emma is theres though )
Elizabeth 1822
Mary Ann 1825
Edmund 1827
Sarah 1832
Thomas 1837 ( our line)
now Mary Ann had a son (unknown father ) John Humphries b1846 in the 1881 census he appears with wife and children aliong with "Boarder" Thomas Barker b1859 - this is who im trying to trace"
Deleted...Was mixed up between Ann & Mary Ann.
Who were the other Barker children, dates/where born & which lines have you already managed to find/follow to save others duplicating?
Annie
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I have gone 1 line further back on Ann Barker,
her parents are :
John Barker b1761-1850 and Hannah Rudge b 1765-1844
the children are (siblings to Ann )
Sarah 1785
John 1787
Thomas 1789-1873 Married Ann Dudley , 2 children Elizabeth and Francis followed all line down
Thomas 1791 - i think one died and Thomas who survived is 2nd one
Mary 1792-1885 Married William Fenn had 8 children followed all lines down (william Fenn is informant on Hannah Rudge death cert)
Ann 1794-1863 my line
Roseanna 1797-1801
Elizabeth 1800
James 1800-abt 1869- may not be there child as baptism is John and Anna not Hannah as Elizabeth baptism is 1800 for John and Hannah - married Ann Hall 5 children
Ketura 1803 - same baptism says John and Anna think 2 seperate families
i also have John Barker parents as William Barker abt 1737 married Elizabeth Hinskman
children are :
John 1761-1850 my line
William Hinsman Barker 1771
James b 1773
Elizabeth possibly Betty b1768
Weenie
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It looks to me to be a needle in a haystack trying to find a Thomas Barker as a child born to a sibling of Mary Ann.
What are the details from the 1881 census you have please with their places of birth or a link to it?
Annie