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I’d be grateful for a second opinion on my line of reasoning because I’m currently working on an area of my tree which I’ve had to totally revise after recent findings.
I’m almost certain that Sarah Hunt who was in Red Cross Street in Leicester in 1841 is the right person, after having to throw out a whole line I’d created wrongly. Her age is given as 45, so born in 1796.
In 1851 she was at Little Holme St, aged 56, so born 1795. She is at home with several children.
In 1861 she was at Great Holme Street with son John. She is a widow, now aged 69 ???
In 1871 a Sarah Hunt is an inmate of Wyggeston Hospital, aged 79. This place was a charitable institution for elderly infirm people, founded long before but recently moved to the side of town where known Sarah Hunt lived in 1861.
In 1878 a Sarah Hunt died in Leicester aged 86. I can’t see another likely death. I’m pretty sure it must be her.
Sorry to ask these favours but I have no-one else to run my sometimes crazy ideas past.
Dave :)
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What happened to son John?
Do you have him in 1871?
And the other children?
Always best to check off what they're doing just in case they have an elderly relative with them.....
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Hi,
In 1841 anyone over 15 was supposed to have there age rounded down to the nearest 5 years, so if Sarah was 45-49 her age would be recorded as 45.
Regards,
Daisy
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It seems to fit doesn’t it? :)
Do Sarah’s places of birth in the censuses tally?
Do you have the d/c in case it mentions her husband’s name? Is there any record of burial or headstone which may give further details?
Are there any other suitable Sarah Hunts around who you could/should eliminate?
I agree with Igor’s suggestion of checking her children’s whereabouts.
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Leicester Chronicle
31st August 1878
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"...I’m almost certain that Sarah Hunt who was in Red Cross Street in Leicester in 1841 is the right person,"
The right person for....what?.
Who are you researching........that someone named Sarah HUNT is a possible person of interest?
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Her son Peter married Ann Chater on 10 Feb 1859 at St Mary, Leicester. Both his address and Ann's was Great Holme Street, his father was William Hunt, occupation traveller. John Hunt was a witness, he signed, but Peter made his mark.
Mary Ann possibly married Daniel Bigley, the lodger with the family in 1851
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Got Mary Ann's marriage now to Daniel Bigley. 6 Aug 1853 at St Mary, Leicester. address for both, Little Holme Street, confirms father as William Hunt, occ traveller. Peter Hunt is a witness.
So it looks like the census records for 1841, 51 and 61 are for the same family.
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Many thanks for all your help and for providing these useful clues and pointers.
I had previously worked out the line of William Hunt, born in Leicester in about 1820, from the 1851 Census forwards. However, I had worked out his parentage incorrectly. It was only the other day that I came across William and Sarah Hunt and realised that they were much more likely to be his parents than the people I’d previously identified. One problem is that I haven’t yet found William (who married Mary Jarvis in 1839 in Leicester St Mary’s) in the 1841 Census, nor his father William (or the latter in 1851, though he may be the William who was nearby in Bowling Green Street, though not then, it seems, a traveller).
I think that all of the present evidence suggests that Sarah who died in Wyggeston Hospital is the same Sarah as in these censuses. I’ll certainly try and definitely rule out her being with one of her children, but certainly no death record on FindMyPast or FreeBMD seems to fit apart from this one. I could order her death certificate but it may not give me a definite answer, especially if the death was registered by a member of the hospital staff.
One of the issues I’ve had with this family is that William Hunt is a pretty common name in the parish records of this era in Leicester and it seems that the family used more than one church. I’m sure that other people are very used to these sort of problems. I’ve been pretty fortunate with a lot of my research previously because this is the first time I’ve had to deal with a fairly common name in a town with numerous parishes.
Dave ;)
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William / Mary Jarvis marriage on 8 Oct 1839, confirms address for both as Red Cross street and father also William a traveller.
Have you any baptisms for the children of William and Sarah?
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In 1841 Hester Willbore / Willbon is listed 2nd after Sarah Hunt and before the children with Hunt surname. She is also a witness to William jnr's marriage. Is she a family member?
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Esther Hunt bapt 21 feb 1819 at Leicester St Nicholas d/o William and Sarah of Black Fryers. William is a hawker, so Esther could be older daughter as her position in the 1841 list implies. But not found a marriage for her yet
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Esther Hunt bapt 21 feb 1819 at Leicester St Nicholas d/o William and Sarah of Black Fryers. William is a hawker, so Esther could be older daughter as her position in the 1841 list implies. But not found a marriage for her yet
Many thanks LizzieL. I have quite a bit of stuff for this period, all tentative. I’ve have to go out now, but I’ll be back this afternoon. Esther is very interesting, because I think that Willian senior was possibly the son of Thomas Hunt of Leicester St Martin’s who married Esther Ireland in Anstey in 1779 (I think). William and Sarah had children William 1820; Thomas 1822; John 1826; Mary Ann 1829; and Peter (1831?), most baptised in St Mary but one at St Nicholas. I’ll recheck and come back.
Dave :)
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This may be the marriage of Esther Hunt, showing as Easter Hunt. Spouse transcribed as Thomas Wildbur. Looking at image surname might be Wildbore but there does seem, as 1841 census shows, plenty of scope for transcription variations.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP4W-4NGJ
William
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You beat me to it millmoor as I'd just spotted it on an ancestry search
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How annoying of her to marry before 1 july 1837!
Found Thomas's marriage to Esther Roe on 21 Nov 1843. He is of Red Cross Street. He says his father William is a trimmer.
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signature does look like Wildbur
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1841 Bond street, north. All Saints Leicester
Esther Hunt age 80
William Hunt age 40 occ hawker
both bic
Piece 605, Book 1, Folio 16, Page 25
Is this the missing William with elderly mother?
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could be unrelated
John Hunt married Sarah Tacy in Leicester in 1814.
The following year a John and Sarah Hunt witnessed a marriage also in Leicester. Luckily both could sign their names
Are they the same couple?
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Many thanks for these extra records. I’m sure that Hester of the 1841 Census is the daughter of Sarah. I’m not sure about the 1814 marriage record of John Hunt to Sarah, since I see the names William Hunt and Mary Hunt as a witnesses. I think they may be the same people who I’d erroneously put in my tree in the past. I think that the 1841 Census with William, 40, hawker and Esther Hunt, 80, looks promising, though William’s age is a bit problematic since he should have been about 50. Maybe a bit of creative rounding down? ;D
I think that William’s mother may have been Esther Hunt nee Irish, who was baptised in Anstey near Leicester in 1756 and married Thomas Hunt of Leicester there in 1779. The age would tie in. I thought that Thomas Hunt and Esther were possibly William’s parents because a couple of that name seem also to have had children John and Sarah, the only Hunts at this time and place who seem to have given their children those three precise names. A William Hunt baptised in 1790 married Sarah Weston in St Mary, Leicester in 1815 and witnesses were John and Sarah Hunt. It seems even more likely that William was indeed the son of Thomas and Esther given that he named his eldest daughter Esther.
It is clear that William is sometimes described as “traveller” and sometimes “trimmer” in the records, but I suspect he may have been both, possibly finishing off hosiery items and then going about selling them. I think it rather likely therefore that the William Hunt, trimmer and dyer, in Bowling Green St, Leicester in 1851, aged 60, is William the husband of Sarah.
Dave :)
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could be unrelated
John Hunt married Sarah Tacy in Leicester in 1814.
The following year a John and Sarah Hunt witnessed a marriage also in Leicester. Luckily both could sign their names
Are they the same couple?
second image is from record of William Hunt's marriage to Saash Weston, Were his brother John and sil Sarah witnesses?
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could be unrelated
John Hunt married Sarah Tacy in Leicester in 1814.
The following year a John and Sarah Hunt witnessed a marriage also in Leicester. Luckily both could sign their names
Are they the same couple?
second image is from record of William Hunt's marriage to Saash Weston, Were his brother John and sil Sarah witnesses?
Many thanks for this. I hadn’t realised that this second record was William’s marriage to Sarah Weston. In fact I think you’re almost certainly right and the witnesses are likely to be brother John and his wife Sarah, since I’ve found the 1797 burial record of Sarah daughter of Thomas and Esther Hunt, so it seems that William’s sister Sarah definitely couldn’t have been this Sarah who signed. Back to the drawing board with the William and Mary Hunt of John’s 1814 record now ???
Dave :)
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HI,
If the William HUNT living in Bowling St. in 1851 is the right one he is living in the Civil Parish of Leicester St Margaret. I found this death which could be him,
William HUNT Dec Q 1857 Leicester 7a 137
Age: 67
Leicestershire Mercury 02 January 1858
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HI,
If the William HUNT living in Bowling St. in 1851 is the right one he is living in the Civil Parish of Leicester St Margaret. I found this death which could be him,
William HUNT Dec Q 1857 Leicester 7a 137
Age: 67
Leicestershire Mercury 02 January 1858
Many thanks for this, it seems very promising. It may be significant too that the death was in St Margaret’s parish. In the 1851 Census William and Sarah’s son William was living in Hodson’s Court in St Mary’s, which was just yards from mother Sarah’s home in Little Holme St. However, in 1859 he was living in Eaton Street, St Margaret’s (daughter Sarah was born there) and in 1861 he was nearby in St Margaret’s in Crab Street. So William and Sarah’s son William moved to St Margaret’s parish between 1851 and 1859 and might have been there by 1857. Maybe William senior was visiting son William when he died, or had even moved there too, with wife Sarah. By 1861 she was a widow living with son John in Great Holme St.
My geographical connection may be irrelevant but the details you’ve given me make me reasonably confident to take a chance on ordering the death registration (though there are 7 deaths of William Hunt registered in Leicester between 1851 and 1861 it would be unfortunate if more than one of them had been born in 1790....)
Dave :)
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Have you checked age at death of the various Williams on GRO site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
you have to register but it's free
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Have you checked age at death of the various Williams on GRO site
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
you have to register but it's free
Thanks for reminding me about this, I’ll certainly do it.
Dave :)
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Just to put this post to bed, and in case anyone might find it helpful in future, I followed up on the 1857 death report kindly supplied above. The link with St Margaret’s parish turns out to be something of a red herring. I had hoped that William might have been living with his son (probably in that parish by this time) when he died, which would have identified him conclusively. Instead, he died in the Leicester Union Workhouse (in St Margaret’s) and so could have come from any parish in the town. The informant present at death, whose name rang no bells, proves, from the 1861 Census, to have been a nurse at the workhouse. However, William’s age and occupation (hawker) make me 99% confident that he was my 3x ggf.
Dave :)
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Don't put your thread to bed just yet! Here's a little more info, regarding burials.
Sarah and William are both buried in Welford Rd cemetery, but in separate graves.
Sarah's shares her grave with 2 other people:
JONES CHARLES MARTIN 1851 OCT 22 age 36 5 YORK STREET SAINT GEORGE PAINTER
HUNT SARAH 1878 AUG 26 age 86 WIGGESTON HOSPITAL SAINT MARY
HUNT AMELIA 1879 FEB 22 age 54 RUDING STREET THE FRIARS
This is William's:
HUNT WILLIAM 1857 DEC 28 age 67 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT MARGARET
HUNT JOHN 1858 JUN 22 age 65 CAUSEWAY LANE ALL SAINTS
WRIGHT CHARLES HENRY 1884 SEP 16 age 2 WEST STREET SAINT MARY
WELLS JOHN ARTHUR 1900 MAR 31 age 16DAYS 6 CRAVEN PLACE LEICESTER
WELLS FRANCES ROSALIND 1900 APR 4 age 21DAYS 6 CRAVEN PLACE LEICESTER
WELLS DORIS ADELAIDE 1902 OCT 6 age 5MTHS SANVEY GATE LEICESTER
WELLS GEORGE EDWARD 1904 JUN 29 age 4MTHS 28 CRAVEN STREET LEICESTER
This should help you to rule them in/out.
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Don't put your thread to bed just yet! Here's a little more info, regarding burials.
Sarah and William are both buried in Welford Rd cemetery, but in separate graves.
Sarah's shares her grave with 2 other people:
JONES CHARLES MARTIN 1851 OCT 22 age 36 5 YORK STREET SAINT GEORGE PAINTER
HUNT SARAH 1878 AUG 26 age 86 WIGGESTON HOSPITAL SAINT MARY
HUNT AMELIA 1879 FEB 22 age 54 RUDING STREET THE FRIARS
This is William's:
HUNT WILLIAM 1857 DEC 28 age 67 LEICESTER UNION HOUSE SAINT MARGARET
HUNT JOHN 1858 JUN 22 age 65 CAUSEWAY LANE ALL SAINTS
WRIGHT CHARLES HENRY 1884 SEP 16 age 2 WEST STREET SAINT MARY
WELLS JOHN ARTHUR 1900 MAR 31 age 16DAYS 6 CRAVEN PLACE LEICESTER
WELLS FRANCES ROSALIND 1900 APR 4 age 21DAYS 6 CRAVEN PLACE LEICESTER
WELLS DORIS ADELAIDE 1902 OCT 6 age 5MTHS SANVEY GATE LEICESTER
WELLS GEORGE EDWARD 1904 JUN 29 age 4MTHS 28 CRAVEN STREET LEICESTER
This should help you to rule them in/out.
Many thanks for this information. I had been hoping to visit the Welford Road Cemetery visitor centre when lockdown eventually lifts but you have saved me the trouble.
I think that Amelia Hunt, born about 1825, was the wife of William and Sarah Hunt’s son Thomas, who married Emily Roe in St Mary’s in 1843. She made a mark so the name discrepancy is easily explained. At the time Thomas’s address was Red Cross Street. In the 1851 Census Thomas and Amaelia Hunt were living in Shakespeare Court which would have been very close by (I think that the modern Shakespeare’s Head pub pretty much stands beside the site of Red Cross Street). Thomas was a hawker like his father William.
I think that the John Hunt buried in the same plot as William was almost certainly the brother of William who was baptised in 1792 in St Nicholas.
None of the other names seem to fit in with them. If William was a pauper, as seems likely given that he died in the workhouse, presumably he would have been buried in a pauper’s grave. (Cause of death was asthma and “disease of brain”, so presumably he would have been unable to work). Wyggeston Hospital, where Sarah later died, was an almshouse, so presumably she was poor too. What I do find a bit puzzling is how William and Sarah both seem to share their plots with one other person who seems to be a relative, as well as the probable strangers. If they were pauper burials, the strangers seem easier to explain than the relatives in these plots.
Dave :)