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Title: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 07:52 GMT (UK)
Hello,

I think I have got this correct  ::)

George Moore married Isabel F Clarke , Lincoln reg 1917.

along came children, I have Frank F Moore born 1919 , Lincoln.

and Brenda P Moore , born 1927.Lincoln.

but what happened to Isabel ??  after Brenda was born ,  I cannot find a death, remarriage ??

in 1939 All were at home in Lincoln , but instead of Isabel , there is Harriet Annie Moore , 

I do know what happened to George , Frank, Brenda and Harriet after 1939 , thank you .

Eilleen 
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:23 GMT (UK)
When Harriet married Mr Gibson...what did her marriage cert say?  Ie what was her maiden name?
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you for looking ,

I have no idea, just know she married Him in 1947.

have run out of money for certificates  ;D ;D
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:27 GMT (UK)
I was wondering if Harriet was an alternate name for Isabel.

Shame there isn’t double entry on Freebmd like there sometimes is.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:32 GMT (UK)
Ah, check out 1903 marriage of a George Moore father Isaac Moore to
Harriet Anne Clarke 😀


Marriages Sep 1903   (>99%)

Clark    Harriett Ann        Lincoln    7a   1025    
Clark    Harriett Annie        Lincoln    7a   1025    
MOORE    George Frederick        Lincoln    7a   1025
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:39 GMT (UK)
1911

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YZ-6BR

I can’t check the daughter’s mother’s maiden name as I am one of those who can’t access the GRO at the moment.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:45 GMT (UK)
Beatrice Jessie Moore - March quarter 1904 - mmn = Clark
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:48 GMT (UK)
Mckha489

checked that one , thank you,

I know George Moore married Isabel F Clarke in 1917   and the children are theirs .
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 08:54 GMT (UK)
Have you got one of their birth certificates?
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Tall Al on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:07 GMT (UK)
Hi,

There are some family trees on Ancestry which suggest Isabel was born 28 Feb 1887, and there is a death of Isabel Florence Moore in 1969 at Solihull, Warwickshire which might fit.

Have you already seen this?

Alan
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:08 GMT (UK)
There is a George and an Isabel elsewhere in 1939.
Could that be them?

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:13 GMT (UK)
Tall Al. and Mckha489

thank you, will look at these now.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:16 GMT (UK)
1903 - Lincoln - George Frederick Moore marries Harriett Annie CLARK

1919 - Lincoln - Frank F Moore born - mmn = CLARK
1927 - Lincoln - Brenda P Moore born - mmn = CLARK

1939 - George F Moore, Harriett A Moore, Frank F Moore and Brenda P Moore - Lincoln

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:17 GMT (UK)
There is a George and an Isabel elsewhere in 1939.
Could that be them?


  not them , Brenda is the key , George Moore is Her Father .
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:18 GMT (UK)
yes BumbleBee .


I see you are saying that the Isabel Clarke marriage in 1917  to George Moore, is wrong x

as usual I have muddled My relatives ,

thank you .
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:24 GMT (UK)
Yes, I think that YOUR Moore family is George Frederick, Harriett Annie, Frank F and Brenda P.

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:30 GMT (UK)
Yes, I think that YOUR Moore family is George Frederick, Harriett Annie, Frank F and Brenda P.

And Beatrice Jessie.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:41 GMT (UK)
Massive thank you , I can start searching back now,

I will try to stay on the correct track. x

if not, I will be back .
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:46 GMT (UK)
Yes, I think that YOUR Moore family is George Frederick, Harriett Annie, Frank F and Brenda P.

And Beatrice Jessie.

sorry I do not see beatrice . 

I now see a Births Sep 1912   (>99%)
Moore    Phyllis E    Clark    Lincoln    7a   946
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:49 GMT (UK)
March quarter 1904 - Lincoln - Beatrice Jessie Moore - check via GRO and mmn = Clark

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 09:52 GMT (UK)
And reply 5 for the 1911 Family Search link.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: DCB on Wednesday 03 February 21 10:08 GMT (UK)
On 19th July 1903 at the parish church of St Swithin, Lincoln
George Moore, 22, of 15 Coningsby Street, Moulder, son of Isaac Moore, Bolt Maker.
married
Harriett Annie Clark, 21, of 3 Slingsby Row, Silverwood Place, daughter of John Clarke (deceased), Labouer.
Witnesses: John Nicholson and Beatrice Victoria Philip (Moore)

1911 Census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7YD-CWM

David
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 10:08 GMT (UK)
Baptism - 4 March 1904 - St Peter at Gowts, Lincoln

Beatrice Jessie, daughter of George Frederick (Moulder) and Harriet Annie Moore, 6 Princess Terrace.

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 10:20 GMT (UK)
Just to clarify - FindMyPast image for the marriage entry does say that George is George Frederick Moore.

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 10:20 GMT (UK)
1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-TVTH

Looks like George was a little bit older than he thought.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 03 February 21 10:29 GMT (UK)
1901

Isaac, a new wife, Elizabeth, George and Beatrice (sister of George)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSD3-Y5D
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 10:59 GMT (UK)
This is brilliant,

get lots added to My missing branch,

thank you .
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 11:18 GMT (UK)
1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27G-TVTH

Looks like George was a little bit older than he thought.

do you think that one maybe died , and another came alot just after ?? xx
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 11:55 GMT (UK)
Birth registration for George Frederick - 1880 - mmn = Morgan

1881 shows father as Isaac and mother as Hannah.

Marriage - Newport, Monmouthshire - September quarter 1866 - Isaac Moore and Hannah Morgan appear on the same page.

1939 Register is also fairly renowned for having incorrect birth years.  Only two years out is not unusual.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:00 GMT (UK)
29 July 1866 - St Woolos, Newport

Isaac Moore, full age, bachelor, nut and bolt forger.  Father:  George, Miner
Hannah Morgan - full age, spinster.  Father:  William, Carpenter

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:07 GMT (UK)
Possible 1871 census - RG10/4897 folio 47 page 37

Isaac Moor (no e) - 28 - Bolt maker, Hannah - 28, Jane - 7 and Emily - 1
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:35 GMT (UK)
William Henry Moore, shown as aged 3 on 1881 census:

St Stephen, Salford - 4 March 1878

William Henry, son of Isaac (Screw and bolt maker) and Hannah Moore, 6 Dunn Street.

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:37 GMT (UK)
more confusion for Me

after first wife Hannah dies 1887 ?

then second wife Elizabeth , married Isaac in 1891.

is the girl called Beatrice Victoria Philip Moore , Hannah's child or Elizabeth's

so was she Fathered by Isaac, or a previous relationship by Elizabeth.

hope that makes sense x

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:49 GMT (UK)
If you are referring to Beatrice Victoria Moore, registered December quarter 1887 in Tenbury RD, then her mother's maiden name was Woodhouse.  :-\ :-\


Added:  wrong person.
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: DCB on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:52 GMT (UK)
Beatrice Victoria Philp
Baptism: 17 Jul 1887
Place   Prestbury
County   Cheshire
Country   England
Father: Frederick William James Philp
Mother: Elizabeth Ann (Bolton)

Marriage: 1915 in Lincoln
Daughter of Frederick Philp
Spouse: Walter Rawson Snell age 29
Son of William Lewis Snell

Elizabeth Ann Philp age 36, daughter of William Bolton
married Isaac Moore at Lincoln St Peter At Gowts on 6 Dec 1891
Residence: 24 Monson Street
George's father: George Moore (deceased)
Residence: 5 Chaplin Street

David
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 03 February 21 12:55 GMT (UK)
Well done, David.  I had just worked out that Beatrice Victoria was PHILP - mother's maiden name Bolton.

Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: DCB on Wednesday 03 February 21 14:07 GMT (UK)
Just realised that I got the names the wrong way round on my previous post - now amended.

Isaac, son of George, married Elizabeth Philp in 1891

Isaac Moore, age 64, of 15 Coningsby Street was buried on 18th June 1907 at Lincoln, St Swithin.

David
Title: Re: going round in circles, Clarke, Moore and Gibson triangle.
Post by: Eilleen on Wednesday 03 February 21 14:08 GMT (UK)
I was staring at it , and reading it over and over again xx
then I saw what Her maiden name was .
back to change the tree xx

in my simple terms is this correct xx


elizabeth Ann Bolton married Frederick William James Philp,
and then they had a daughter called Beatrice Victoria Philp