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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: Wiggy on Saturday 06 February 21 23:27 GMT (UK)
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Can you see any likeness between the young and old in these photos. We can't, but :-\ :-\
Very difficult with such an different aged woman and different attitudes. The one of her standing under the tree I could almost believe was the same woman as the younger one, but . . . . :-\ Maybe it is wishful thinking. :)
Wiggy
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It's a no from me, the time scale is out.
There's about 30 years difference between the 2 photos
but the age gap is greater.
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I would also say no, Wiggy.
I've not seen the one with the man before.
Gadget
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It's a no from me too Wiggy.
Carol
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OK - thanks folks. I think the first is Edwardian isn't it? And the second would have been taken in the fifties - so nearer 40 years difference . . . but I take your point Jim.
Still the ages are not correct. Ruby died in 1960 aged 73. She must be close to that in the picture with her husband I think.
Thanks very much :)
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Sorry to muddy the waters, but wouldn't the time frames look about right? Born in 1887, 20/21 in 1907/08 (the first photo) and 70-73 in 1957-60 (the photo under the tree).
Peter
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Oh how I would love it to be the same woman - but even with the ages being right, is it the same woman??
She was such a lovely 'old lady' when I knew her - I would have loved her to be that beautiful young woman. ;) Wishful thinking doesn't make it so!! :-\ :)
thanks Peter.
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As to whether it’s the same woman… The photos are about fifty years apart. I have photos of myself fifty years apart and unless a person knew me back then I don’t think they could say for sure I was the same person. However, I can’t see anything in the young woman’s photo that would preclude her from being the same person in the older age photos.
Peter
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r, I can’t see anything in the young woman’s photo that would preclude her from being the same person in the older age photos.
Peter
I can't see any likeness between them.
Wiggy, as you knew her and probably saw her 'face on', can you see any likeness between the older woman and the younger woman? The side on and glasses, etc. don't really give any clues.
There's a nose but noses change with age.
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This is as much as I can do on laptop
Ears and facial proportions are similar. Nose and mouth are different but that could be age. Similar cheek bones.
(I'm adding to this as I compare!)
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Thanks for that comparison Gadget. Very tricky and difficult to tell isn't it!
I did know, her but only saw her a few times - once every Easter Holidays for a few years, so not well enough to remember clearly (- and I was so young!! :P)
Added . . . . it could be couldn't it - given the difference in age of the two photos.
She had very poor sight and when I knew, her wore blue tinted specs. I would love to think the younger woman could be the same person! ;) But I won't/wouldn't swear to it. The side by side is useful I think.
(She lived in a dark-ish house and spent her time transcribing books to braille by hand - as one did in those days.
Her husband had an adaptation on his steering wheel - a knob which he could just hold and turn the wheel around one handed. He had all sorts of innovative 'toys/tools.'
By the time we knew them they seemed very old to us.)
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It really is difficult. Her eyes look fine in the young one and it sounds as if she might have had eye problems from an early age.
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I think she might have - might have had something to do with her parents being first cousins maybe??
I found a description of her attending a Lacrosse Ball in 1911 in Melbourne, but her dress/gown is described as pale mauve and beaded . . . could be I suppose . . .
(but what about the printing on the surrounding card saying 'Olive and Katharine Elis, Sheringham Norfolk'?? That's a bit odd.) This attachment is on the front of the photo - nothing on the back - and the photo has been taken from a square frame - which I didn't receive.
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It's Edis, Wiggy, not Elis. I've found Katherine on the electoral roll in Sheringham and a marriage for her in 1907
(The hail stones woke me up!)
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Katherine, as Katie, of Sheringham and Robert Eddowes Legat of Cromer had Banns read in Sept 1907 at both parishes
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Katherine was b.c 1881, London.
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think that Olive was Mary Olive
See both of them in 1881.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q273-J9RB
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In 1904, Emmeline, Olive and Katherine went on a Round Voyage to Brazil on the Cyril, departing Liverpool on 29 Dec 1904 (1st class). They are recorded as Misses O, E and K Edis
Add -and I think Olive took a trip to Montreal in 1920!
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Yes Edis - sorry - eyes didn't look properly. ;)
Thanks for that info - do you think they could have taken photos while in Australia and stamped same??
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I've not found any evidence so far that they went to Australia. How did you get the photos - that might be a clue.
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This is just for fun and interest . . .and thinking about how difficult it is to compare young with old.
I had a brief wonder about whether that young woman posted at the beginning of this thread could be of Eva also :-\ - it certainly belongs in that part of the family.
These two photos are verifiably of my Grandmother - one before marriage in her nurses uniform -Married in 1907 - and one in old age (before 1950 when she died.)
Apart from the way she holds her head, I wouldn't pick them as the same person. Bet there are some of you who could though. ;D ;D
Red post. Gadget - Handed to me by my cousin who found them in her mother's stuff - from our maternal side of the family.
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Ohhhh - doesn't a 'world tour' include Australia? :'( ;) ;D
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Ohhhh - doesn't a 'world tour' include Australia? :'( ;) ;D
In 1904, Emmeline, Olive and Katherine went on a Round Voyage to Brazil on the Cyril, departing Liverpool on 29 Dec 1904 (1st class). They are recorded as Misses O, E and K Edis
Add -and I think Olive took a trip to Montreal in 1920!
Not sure that this counts as a world tour though.
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I think it's your grandmother.
You have a look of your grandmother in the one of her as older :)
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;D It wouldn't in my book!!
Sorry Gadget - once again I misread. (Round trip does NOT mean round the world!! :-[) ;)
red
I think it's your grandmother.
You have a look of your grandmother in the one of her as older :)
Well I would think that would make much more sense . . . . but we still have the problem of the Edis sisters! Eva and her husband seemed to move in affluent circles (until Martin died anyhow). After that she seems to have some very kind friends.
Yes - put those two side by side and . . . . . . . :)
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I posted these two messages on the wrong thread :-[
In the later census Mary Olive is down as a photographer:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7B7-ZXV
Add - and is listed in the Sheringham electoral rolls right through to mid 1920s.
Mary Olive seems to have married an Edwin H Galsworthy Q2 1928, Paddington
add - and remains a photgrapher for as long as I can follow her, dying in Q4 1955, Kennsington.
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Mary Olive is discussed in a collection of Woman's Work Commiittee, Imp War Museum under ;Other Empire Force'
Precis:
She worked as a glass plate photographer with a studio in Sheringham - portraits include fishermen and Royal Family. She was commissioned by the IWM in 1914 but, because of the stance of the Military , she wasn't allowed to visit Western Front until Oct 1918.
I'll send you full details by e-mail
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..and why didn't we just look at Wiki!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Edis
Clients who ordered photographs would receive them mounted on branded card which was embossed with her logo.
;D
also -
https://oliveedisproject.wordpress.com/about-olive-edis/
https://oliveedisproject.wordpress.com/
https://artuk.org/discover/curations/take-five-the-photographs-of-olive-edis
http://www.norfolkmuseumscollections.org/#!/collections/search?q=edis
more via Google!
and - the woman in the preview looks very like your pic
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04ydt66
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Well, I wouldn't have picked them as the some person in a line up I don't think - definitely same period of dress though!! ;D ;)
There is one of the photos which looks similar I think - in reverse. In the second last link. :-\
Interesting links . . . but no further along the trail of my lady - unless they kept one of Olive's unknown people . . . and anyway only Katherine's name is showing if the square frame were in place. Hmmm very tricky.
You can just see the shadow of the frame (which I didn't receive with this photo.) in this attachment.
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It's actually very like the woman in the film clip - look at the nose and eyes :)
What you need to find is why the photo, taken by a famous photographer got into the collection that you have now acquired.
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only Katherine's name is showing if the square frame were in place.
It's most likely because of the size of the frame they used rather than any significance of covering a name ;D ;D ;D
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Yes - highly likely. :)