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Can anybody decipher the maiden name of the bride's mother please. I can see Susannah but not her surname. Your help would be appreciated.
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I see it as either Neihmonley or Neihmonbey. I stand to be corrected, but that is how it looks to me.
A possibility is Nechmonley, but I am put off by what appears to be the dot above an i.
The writing is a little too small to be more certain.
A Chesters
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I was thinking perhaps Neik????ey. The reproduction is poor but is exactly what was sent to me from BDM Victoria. Because the daughter Susan De Villiers was born in Prince Alfred South Africa, I'm thinking the name would be of Dutch origin maybe?
Thanks for taking a stab A Chesters :-)
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I had considered Neik.. but I was not sufficiently convinced of the k as opposed to the h.
AC
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I keep seeing the end of the word as trey or frey, though there is no tail to the f and no crossing of the t. Image is awful. Can you request a clearer copy?
Did Daniel and Susannah marry in SAfrica? If so, have you looked for an appropriate marriage there?
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Expanded
Malky
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Later events in the life of Susan BLAKE might offer possibilities to identify her origins.
What happens next in this family....when John Austin BLAKE and Susan De Villers are no longer at Wonthaggi?
Do they have any children?
John Austin BLAKE, painter....and Susan BLAKE are at 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds Electoral Roll 1909.
Both are free to marry at 1914....why not sooner?.
Witness Esther A(nnie) KEMP is religious sister at Wonthaggi.
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Certificates to consider which might include Susannah’s maiden surname:
- Other children’s birth, marriage or death certificates
- Susannah’s death certificate
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I think REICHENBERG or a misspelled variant of it.
Sue
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I keep seeing the end of the word as trey or frey, though there is no tail to the f and no crossing of the t. Image is awful. Can you request a clearer copy?
Did Daniel and Susannah marry in SAfrica? If so, have you looked for an appropriate marriage there?
Hi Ruskie, I don't think the original was scanned at a high enough resolution, but will ask.
I've been searching for the marriage of Daniel and Susannah in South Africa but have yet to find the correct one. Daniel De Villiers appears to be quite common name.
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Later events in the life of Susan BLAKE might offer possibilities to identify her origins.
What happens next in this family....when John Austin BLAKE and Susan De Villers are no longer at Wonthaggi?
Do they have any children?
John Austin BLAKE, painter....and Susan BLAKE are at 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds Electoral Roll 1909.
Both are free to marry at 1914....why not sooner?.
Witness Esther A(nnie) KEMP is religious sister at Wonthaggi.
I have not found children from that marriage, but have found electoral roll entries for them both from 1927 - 1951. John Blake was also admitted into an asylum for alcoholism by his wife during the 1940s. He died in 1951 and she died in 1952. She left a Will and probate was granted in August 1953. I'm waiting on PROV to send me the digitised copies .
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Did Susan have any brothers or sisters who married in Australia ..... if so, what is recorded on their marriage cert for their mum's maiden name.
JM
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I think REICHENBERG or a misspelled variant of it.
Sue
When you look at the letter "R" in Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, they're quite different. Now looking closer at the "N" in North Wonthaggi, I don't think it's that either.
There was a "Missing Friends" notice put in a Tasmanian Newspaper in 1924 where Susan is looking for her aunt Mrs M Stordeur. She and her husband Adolphe Otto Stordeur were teachers. Her Aunt's maiden name was Oosthuisen, which SHOULD make Susan Blake's mother an Oosthuisen. I'm definitely not seeing that surname on the Marriage cert.
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Did Susan have any brothers or sisters who married in Australia ..... if so, what is recorded on their marriage cert for their mum's maiden name.
JM
Not that I have found yet JM. I'm not finding any passenger lists for De Villiers (and variants) which mention her or her parents.
IN ADDITION: There is a FamilySearch tree which has no source information but might be her family https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF
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IN ADDITION: There is a FamilySearch tree which has no source information but might be her family https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF
I agree. I'd been looking at that couple's marriage for a while now:
South Africa, Civil Marriage Records, 1840-1973
Name: Daniel Johannes De Villiers
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Sep 1875
Event Place: South Africa
Event Place (Original): Prins Albert, Prins Albert, Prins Albert
Spouse's Name: Susanna Margaretha Oosthuisen
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-PQ27
BTW I believe Doodekraal was a farm in Tygerberg (presently in the Durbanville area) and bought by the De Villiers family in the late nineteenth century.
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IN ADDITION: There is a FamilySearch tree which has no source information but might be her family https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF
I agree. I'd been looking at that couple's marriage for a while now:
South Africa, Civil Marriage Records, 1840-1973
Name: Daniel Johannes De Villiers
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Sep 1875
Event Place: South Africa
Event Place (Original): Prins Albert, Prins Albert, Prins Albert
Spouse's Name: Susanna Margaretha Oosthuisen
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-PQ27
BTW I believe Doodekraal was a farm in Tygerberg (presently in the Durbanville area) and bought by the De Villiers family in the late nineteenth century.
Thank you for the link. I have it as a possible. However it does not solve the problem of the maiden name of Susan's mother on the Marriage Cert. I originally posted. I guess Susannah Oosthuisen could have remarried after Daniel died and Susan (the daughter) has recorded the 2nd married name of her mother?
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BTW what was her real age?
28 in Oct 1914 (MC) i.e. b abt 1886
72 in Aug 1952 (DC) i.e. b abt 1880
(N.B. also 72 in DN: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206212348?searchTerm=blake)
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BTW what was her real age?
28 in Oct 1914 (MC) i.e. b abt 1886
72 in Aug 1952 (DC) i.e. b abt 1880
(N.B. also 72 in DN: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206212348?searchTerm=blake)
If the family tree https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF is the correct family, then she was christened in 1882 in Unionville SA
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The tree mentions Uniondale, but this place is rather far from Prince Alfred, so I'm a bit suspicious regarding the location.
Update: This is that 1882 baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65G9-DT3
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The tree mentions Uniondale, but this place is rather far from Prince Alfred, so I'm a bit suspicious regarding the location
My mistake Treespirit. I agree it is a long way away. Though if the tree is found to be correct (what a pity there are no sources!) then the siblings are born in various locations. I'd like to find the father Daniel's death/probate, which may solve a few mysteries. Looking...
Update: Thanks for the christening link. I note the spelling variant of Oosthuysen
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It is the estate files that you'd want for the parents as they mention the children. I've had a try but haven't found them yet.
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Ancestry Electoral Roll Australia
1909
BLAKE John Austin 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds painter
BLAKE Susan 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds
1912.....1913.....
BLAKE John Austin Dalvston contractor
BLAKE Susan Dalvston
BLAKE John Austin 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds painter
BLAKE Susan 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds
1914....1916....1917....
BALKE John Austin North Wonthaggi house painter
BLAKE Susan North Wonthaggi
1914
KEMP Esther Annie St Joseph's Convent Wonthaggi teacher
(witness on marriage certificate?)
Preston Cemetery Melbourne
BLAKE John Augustine buried 8 Feb 1951
BLAKE Susan M buried 27 Aug 1952 same plot
BDM VIC death
1565/1951 BLAKE John Augustine parents Mary Josephine SMITH / BLAKE John
born Brisbane Queensland died Fitzroy age 79
10048/1952 BLAKE Susanah Marguerita parents UKN / UKN
birthplace UKN died Preston age 72
The Argus 5 Feb 1951 p16
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23036213?
BLAKE.—On February 6, at St. Vincents Hospital, John Augustine, dearly loved husband of Susannah, aged 79vears Late of Wonthaggi.
The Age 26 Aug 1952 p7
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206212348?
BLAKE-— On August 25, at her home. 214 Gower street, Preston, Susanna Marguerite, beloved
wife of the late. John Augustine, aged 72 years
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Thank you Wivenhoe, yes I have the same information. The witness on the marriage cert was also the witness on another marriage cert on the same day, which makes me think she might have been a "ring in" for want of a better expression.