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Title: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Sunday 07 February 21 05:02 GMT (UK)
Can anybody decipher the maiden name of the bride's mother please. I can see Susannah but not her surname. Your help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: a chesters on Sunday 07 February 21 05:15 GMT (UK)
I see it as either Neihmonley or Neihmonbey. I stand to be corrected, but that is how it looks to me.

A possibility is Nechmonley, but I am put off by what appears to be the dot above an i.

The writing is a little too small to be more certain.

A Chesters
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Sunday 07 February 21 05:23 GMT (UK)
I was thinking perhaps Neik????ey. The reproduction is poor but is exactly what was sent to me from BDM Victoria. Because the daughter Susan De Villiers was born in Prince Alfred South Africa, I'm thinking the name would be of Dutch origin maybe?
Thanks for taking a stab A Chesters :-)
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: a chesters on Sunday 07 February 21 05:29 GMT (UK)
I had considered Neik.. but I was not sufficiently convinced of the k as opposed to the h.

AC
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 07 February 21 05:40 GMT (UK)
I keep seeing the end of the word as trey or frey, though there is no tail to the f and no crossing of the t. Image is awful. Can you request a clearer copy?

Did Daniel and Susannah marry in SAfrica? If so, have you looked for an appropriate marriage there?
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Sunday 07 February 21 07:41 GMT (UK)
Expanded

Malky
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: wivenhoe on Sunday 07 February 21 08:36 GMT (UK)
Later events in the life of Susan BLAKE might offer possibilities to identify her origins.

What happens next in this family....when John Austin BLAKE and Susan De Villers are no longer at Wonthaggi?

Do they have any children?

John Austin BLAKE, painter....and Susan BLAKE are at 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds Electoral Roll 1909.

Both are free to marry at 1914....why not sooner?.

Witness Esther A(nnie) KEMP is religious sister at Wonthaggi.


Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 07 February 21 09:57 GMT (UK)
Certificates to consider which might include Susannah’s maiden surname:
- Other children’s birth, marriage or death certificates
- Susannah’s death certificate
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 07 February 21 10:37 GMT (UK)
I think REICHENBERG or a misspelled variant of it.
Sue
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 00:10 GMT (UK)
I keep seeing the end of the word as trey or frey, though there is no tail to the f and no crossing of the t. Image is awful. Can you request a clearer copy?

Did Daniel and Susannah marry in SAfrica? If so, have you looked for an appropriate marriage there?

Hi Ruskie, I don't think the original was scanned at a high enough resolution, but will ask.
I've been searching for the marriage of Daniel and Susannah in South Africa but have yet to find the correct one. Daniel De Villiers appears to be quite common name.
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 00:18 GMT (UK)
Later events in the life of Susan BLAKE might offer possibilities to identify her origins.

What happens next in this family....when John Austin BLAKE and Susan De Villers are no longer at Wonthaggi?

Do they have any children?

John Austin BLAKE, painter....and Susan BLAKE are at 9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds Electoral Roll 1909.

Both are free to marry at 1914....why not sooner?.

Witness Esther A(nnie) KEMP is religious sister at Wonthaggi.

I have not found children from that marriage, but have found electoral roll entries for them both from 1927 - 1951. John Blake was also admitted into an asylum for alcoholism by his wife during the 1940s. He died in 1951 and she died in 1952. She left a Will and probate was granted in August 1953.  I'm waiting on PROV to send me the digitised copies .
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: majm on Monday 08 February 21 00:30 GMT (UK)
Did Susan have any brothers or sisters who married in Australia ..... if so, what is recorded on their marriage cert for  their mum's maiden name.

JM
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 00:32 GMT (UK)
I think REICHENBERG or a misspelled variant of it.
Sue

When you look at the letter "R" in Rite of the Roman Catholic Church, they're quite different. Now looking closer at the "N" in North Wonthaggi, I don't think it's that either.

There was a "Missing Friends" notice put in a Tasmanian Newspaper in 1924 where Susan is looking for her aunt Mrs M Stordeur. She and her husband Adolphe Otto Stordeur were teachers. Her Aunt's maiden name was Oosthuisen, which SHOULD make Susan Blake's mother an Oosthuisen. I'm definitely not seeing that surname on the Marriage cert.
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 00:38 GMT (UK)
Did Susan have any brothers or sisters who married in Australia ..... if so, what is recorded on their marriage cert for  their mum's maiden name.

JM

Not that I have found yet JM. I'm not finding any passenger lists for De Villiers (and variants) which mention her or her parents.

IN ADDITION: There is a FamilySearch tree which has no source information but might be her family https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: TreeSpirit on Monday 08 February 21 01:03 GMT (UK)
IN ADDITION: There is a FamilySearch tree which has no source information but might be her family https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF

I agree. I'd been looking at that couple's marriage for a while now:

South Africa, Civil Marriage Records, 1840-1973
Name: Daniel Johannes De Villiers
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Sep 1875
Event Place: South Africa
Event Place (Original): Prins Albert, Prins Albert, Prins Albert
Spouse's Name: Susanna Margaretha Oosthuisen
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-PQ27

BTW I believe Doodekraal was a farm in Tygerberg (presently in the Durbanville area) and bought by the De Villiers family in the late nineteenth century.
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 01:10 GMT (UK)
IN ADDITION: There is a FamilySearch tree which has no source information but might be her family https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF

I agree. I'd been looking at that couple's marriage for a while now:

South Africa, Civil Marriage Records, 1840-1973
Name: Daniel Johannes De Villiers
Event Type: Marriage
Event Date: 7 Sep 1875
Event Place: South Africa
Event Place (Original): Prins Albert, Prins Albert, Prins Albert
Spouse's Name: Susanna Margaretha Oosthuisen
image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSK8-PQ27

BTW I believe Doodekraal was a farm in Tygerberg (presently in the Durbanville area) and bought by the De Villiers family in the late nineteenth century.

Thank you for the link. I have it as a possible. However it does not solve the problem of the maiden name of Susan's mother on the Marriage Cert. I originally posted. I guess Susannah Oosthuisen could have remarried after Daniel died and Susan (the daughter) has recorded the 2nd married name of her mother?
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: TreeSpirit on Monday 08 February 21 01:26 GMT (UK)

BTW what was her real age?
28 in Oct 1914 (MC) i.e. b abt 1886
72 in Aug 1952 (DC) i.e. b abt 1880
(N.B. also 72 in DN: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206212348?searchTerm=blake)
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 01:35 GMT (UK)

BTW what was her real age?
28 in Oct 1914 (MC) i.e. b abt 1886
72 in Aug 1952 (DC) i.e. b abt 1880
(N.B. also 72 in DN: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206212348?searchTerm=blake)

If the family tree https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/MSPX-KZF is the correct family, then she was christened in 1882 in Unionville SA
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: TreeSpirit on Monday 08 February 21 02:42 GMT (UK)
The tree mentions Uniondale, but this place is rather far from Prince Alfred, so I'm a bit suspicious regarding the location.

Update: This is that 1882 baptism: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-65G9-DT3
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 02:48 GMT (UK)
The tree mentions Uniondale, but this place is rather far from Prince Alfred, so I'm a bit suspicious regarding the location

My mistake Treespirit. I agree it is a long way away. Though if the tree is found to be correct (what a pity there are no sources!) then the siblings are born in various locations. I'd like to find the father Daniel's death/probate, which may solve a few mysteries. Looking...

Update: Thanks for the christening link. I note the spelling variant of Oosthuysen
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: TreeSpirit on Monday 08 February 21 03:15 GMT (UK)
It is the estate files that you'd want for the parents as they mention the children. I've had a try but haven't found them yet.
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: wivenhoe on Monday 08 February 21 04:58 GMT (UK)
Ancestry Electoral Roll Australia
1909
BLAKE John Austin   9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds  painter
BLAKE Susan           9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds

1912.....1913.....
BLAKE John Austin  Dalvston  contractor
BLAKE Susan          Dalvston
BLAKE John Austin   9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds  painter
BLAKE Susan           9 Scotia St Moonee Ponds

1914....1916....1917....
BALKE John Austin  North Wonthaggi   house painter
BLAKE Susan         North Wonthaggi

1914
KEMP Esther Annie  St Joseph's Convent Wonthaggi  teacher
(witness on marriage certificate?)

Preston Cemetery Melbourne
BLAKE John Augustine  buried  8 Feb 1951
BLAKE Susan M            buried 27 Aug 1952     same plot

BDM VIC    death
1565/1951 BLAKE John Augustine parents Mary Josephine SMITH / BLAKE John
born Brisbane Queensland   died Fitzroy   age 79 

10048/1952 BLAKE Susanah Marguerita  parents UKN / UKN
birthplace UKN   died Preston   age 72

The Argus 5 Feb 1951 p16
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/23036213?
BLAKE.—On February 6, at St. Vincents Hospital, John Augustine, dearly loved husband of Susannah, aged 79vears Late of Wonthaggi.


The Age 26 Aug 1952 p7
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/206212348?
BLAKE-— On August 25, at her home. 214 Gower street, Preston, Susanna Marguerite, beloved
wife of the late. John Augustine, aged 72 years
Title: Re: Mother's maiden name?
Post by: Mamac on Monday 08 February 21 05:12 GMT (UK)
Thank you Wivenhoe, yes I have the same information. The witness on the marriage cert was also the witness on another marriage cert on the same day, which makes me think she might have been a "ring in" for want of a better expression.