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Title: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Sunday 07 February 21 18:01 GMT (UK)
Hello, my GGG Grandfather was Denis Hessian (ion) Born Co Mayo in 1829. Joined 48th Reg of foot in Weedon Barracks, I have WO12 records for 1851.  No 2375.  And that's it!  Why no more WO records, no reference to going to the Crimea, in 1855 and  no English or Irish death records.
He married in Weedon in 1852, to Esther Shaw.  Joseph James Merry Hessian was born in 1855, but there is NO fathers name.  Where was he between 1852 and now !!!
Esther married again in 1859, stating she was a widow.     Any help will be gratefully received.   
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 08 February 21 08:29 GMT (UK)
Welcome to rootschat

I suspect that both Joseph (1855) and John (1857) were probably not the children of Denis. 

Have you looked at TNA website to see what records are available to view at Kew, not all military records are available online.
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Monday 08 February 21 12:12 GMT (UK)
Hi Rosie99

Thank you so much for your swift reply.  I suspect the same, that they are not his children. 

Thank you for the suggestion about the Kew records, I'm on it !

Now of course, I dont have a GG Grandfather !  All I have is that Joseph was born in the Daventry Union.  As stated by his Birth cert.  This is indeed the work house of the area.  However, it is also the Census area for the Barracks where Denis was stationed.  a few yards from his wife's home. And a second hand comment about 'Merry'  his third forename saying that it is his fathers surname !!
Not sure I shall be able to crack that !

I really appreciate your reply, many thanks

Michael   

 
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: tazzie on Monday 08 February 21 14:52 GMT (UK)
Baptism...

 Joseph James Merry Hessian 27th May 1855.
 Mother Esther of Dodford a lace maker. Baptised by W. Thornton vicar.

 John Howard Hessian 31st May 1857.
 Mother Esther of Dodford lacemaker. Baptised by  C J Wimberley curate.


  Tazzie




Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: MaxD on Monday 08 February 21 14:53 GMT (UK)
You may be there already ;
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-army-soldiers-up-to-1913/

MaxD
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Tuesday 09 February 21 10:03 GMT (UK)
Hi Tazzie,

Thank you for your swift reply.  Yes, it seems their father is not on the birth records. 
So I'm thinking he was no longer in Dodford. 
I'm intrigued by the fact that Esthers sister, Comfort, who married a John Howard 1855, and died less than a year later childless. 
And Esthers second son is called John Howard Hessian....
Thank you for your help, very much appreciated
Michael
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Tuesday 09 February 21 10:06 GMT (UK)
Hi MaxD

Thank you, thats a great source of information, I'm very pleased to have the link.

Many thanks,  Michael
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: tazzie on Tuesday 09 February 21 10:23 GMT (UK)
Hi.....

 Just a little aside..... Weedon and Dodford are both near to where I live and some friends got married at Dodford Major barns a couple of years ago.

 Tazzie
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Tuesday 09 February 21 10:32 GMT (UK)
Hi Tazzie,

How much a coincidence, if it were not for the virus I was planning on a visit to Dodford Church, hopefully I will be able to soon.  I'm in Coventry, not moved far from my roots, my mothers family well eastablished in Rugby.

Thank you !  Michael
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: ev on Tuesday 09 February 21 11:37 GMT (UK)
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no English or Irish death records
I did see this -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2NFB-HQ2


ev
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Tuesday 09 February 21 11:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Ev,

Thank you, the last record I have is January 1852.   He then disappears !  So this is very helpful, thank you very much   Michael
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: tazzie on Tuesday 09 February 21 16:37 GMT (UK)
Hi... Following Heywoods find ....
 
  forces war records web site has ...

 Denis Hessian private 2375    48th regiment of foot.

 Crimea service period 1853-1856.
 Tazzie
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 09 February 21 16:47 GMT (UK)
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Denis Hessian private 2375    48th regiment of foot.

 Crimea service period 1853-1856.

I'm not seeing any record linking a Denis Hessian to service in the Crimea. Or any other soldier of the 48th with that regimental number.
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Tuesday 09 February 21 17:02 GMT (UK)
Hi

Denis Hessian private 2375    48th regiment of foot.    I'm pretty sure this is correct as is his barracks at Weedon in 1851/52.   After that ??

Thanks to you all   Michael 
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: ShaunJ on Tuesday 09 February 21 17:23 GMT (UK)
The 48th Regiment went to Corfu in early 1853 and from there to the Crimea in 1855. Your man didn't go to the Crimea so perhaps he died in Corfu. The answer may lie in the regimental muster books and paylists at The National Archives.
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Tuesday 09 February 21 18:53 GMT (UK)
Shaun J.    Thank you, that would indeed solve the puzzle !!

Many thanks   Michael
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: FROGSMILE on Wednesday 10 March 21 18:40 GMT (UK)
Hello, my GGG Grandfather was Denis Hessian (ion) Born Co Mayo in 1829. Joined 48th Reg of foot in Weedon Barracks, I have WO12 records for 1851.  No 2375.  And that's it!  Why no more WO records, no reference to going to the Crimea, in 1855 and  no English or Irish death records.
He married in Weedon in 1852, to Esther Shaw.  Joseph James Merry Hessian was born in 1855, but there is NO fathers name.  Where was he between 1852 and now !!!
Esther married again in 1859, stating she was a widow.     Any help will be gratefully received.

Perhaps he died on passage to the Crimea.  If so he could have been buried at sea.  Another possibility might be on Malta, where several reinforcement depots were set up to continuously drip feed drafts of reinforcements to the front line.  There was also a large hospitals complex set up there where many soldiers died from wounds or disease.
Title: Re: 48th Regiment of foot Northamptonshire
Post by: findingdenis on Wednesday 10 March 21 20:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Frogsmile, thank you for those ideas, very possible indeed.  Cheers, Michael