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Title: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Thursday 11 February 21 10:20 GMT (UK)
Hi

Hope someone can help.

In my wife's family there is a Harry Emmanuel Parrett b 1865 who married a Sarah Winkfield. In the 1911 census also in the family is another Harry Emmanuel Parrett b1908 who is listed as Grandson.  What I cannot find is whose son he is. It can't be the other Harry as he already has a son Harry Winkfield Parrett b 1899

Thanks
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: rosie99 on Thursday 11 February 21 10:28 GMT (UK)
He appears to be illegitimate

PARRETT, HARRY  EMMANUEL     (No mothers maiden surname on index)- 
GRO Reference: 1908  June Quarter in LAMBETH  Volume 01D  Page 348
 
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Thursday 11 February 21 10:55 GMT (UK)
OK thanks.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 11 February 21 10:58 GMT (UK)
lost the first reply

Born 21/05/1908
died 1987
both registrations in Lambeth, no baptism found so far
for more information you need to purchase a birth certificate or go by elimination of whose child it could be from census

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Comberton on Thursday 11 February 21 11:02 GMT (UK)
Baptism
28th June 1908
Lambeth
Harry Emmanuel Parrett
parents Harry Giles and Florrie Eugie Parrett
A daughter of Harry Emmanuel Parrett, Florrie Eugie born 1890 is in Newington Workhouse in 1911 and died in 1917.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Thursday 11 February 21 12:03 GMT (UK)
Thanks very much!
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: louisa maud on Thursday 11 February 21 14:04 GMT (UK)
"Harry Emmanuel Parrett b 1865 who married a Sarah Winkfield"

Some births are shown as other's maiden name WINGFIELD, just to confuse matters

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 11 February 21 15:05 GMT (UK)
Baptism
28th June 1908
Lambeth
Harry Emmanuel Parrett

Abode 127 Kennington Road.
(Later record says born at 129!)
More workhouse records for Florence, she was removed from Islington to Southwark in 1913, with an illegitimate daughter.
Southwark Register of Orders of Removal
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-67PP-Q

The removal order itself is also online. Harry Giles gets a mention.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 11 February 21 15:20 GMT (UK)
died in 1917.

10 November at the Greenwich Union Infirmary.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1B-DWVD-8
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Thursday 11 February 21 15:48 GMT (UK)
Many thanks - great if anyone could find the daughter
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: jonw65 on Thursday 11 February 21 16:10 GMT (UK)
This might be her birth
PARRETT, NELLIE  MAY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: — 
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in SOUTHWARK  Volume 01D  Page 123

I think her date of birth is given in the removal papers, she should also be in the workhouse records
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a013538-00424

Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 11 February 21 17:18 GMT (UK)
This might be her birth
PARRETT, NELLIE  MAY     
Mother's Maiden Surname: — 
GRO Reference: 1910  D Quarter in SOUTHWARK  Volume 01D  Page 123

I think her date of birth is given in the removal papers, she should also be in the workhouse records
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31952_a013538-00424

Nellie May Parrett Birth 9 Nov 1910
Baptism 22 Nov 1910 Walworth Common, Southwark
Mother:   Florrie Eugie Parrett abode 182 Westmoreland Rd
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Thursday 11 February 21 18:12 GMT (UK)
Many thanks for all the help
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Friday 12 February 21 15:20 GMT (UK)
Looks like Nellie had a hard life. Presumably she was in the Workhouse in the 1911 census? Looks like she married an Edward J Webb in 1926 age 16 but no signs of children. She died I think in 1949 age 38 (right age) in Windsor(!). Interestingly there is also a marriage for an Edward J Webb to a Margaret Parrett in 1940 then two children from that marriage. Seems unlikely there would be two men of exactly the same name marrying Parretts so is Margaret a relation (I don’t have her on any of my trees). If so then Nellie must have been divorced? Is there any way of checking? Also where was she in 1939 and with whom?

Thanks again for any help.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Comberton on Friday 12 February 21 15:32 GMT (UK)
Sorry
The 1949 death is for Nellie Miriam Webb and there is a corresponding birth for that name in Windsor in 1911.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Friday 12 February 21 15:40 GMT (UK)
Looks like she married an Edward J Webb in 1926 age 16 but no signs of children.

Just to add the marriage to Edward John Webb is on line

16 Apr 1926 St Mark, Walworth, Southwark
Nellie May Parrett age 24 father John Henry Parrett
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Friday 12 February 21 16:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks - so the death and marriage are both wrong! What did happen to her then?
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: barryd on Friday 12 February 21 16:27 GMT (UK)

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Newington/


See the reference to Westmoreland Road in the paragraph entitled "After 1834"

Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Friday 12 February 21 16:38 GMT (UK)
So 182 Westmoreland Rd would be the workhouse then. Thanks. What was she doing in islington in 1913 and why would she have been 'removed' from there?
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 12 February 21 17:43 GMT (UK)
If you have ancestry, then you can also see the outwards removal order from Islington.
I think there is slightly more in those papers?
Here says a costermonger is father of her children
Some evidence from her mother Sarah Ann Parrett
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1557/images/31363_a109554-01083
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: jonw65 on Friday 12 February 21 18:45 GMT (UK)
Newington workhouse register of births, 1910, Parrett
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1Y-ZG6X
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: louisa maud on Saturday 13 February 21 10:50 GMT (UK)
Don't know if this will help at all but I am throwing this into the mix

Edward J Webb
married 1940 Surrey
to
Margaret J S Parrett

Margaret J S Parrett registered St Pancras 1920 MMN Francis

Louisa Maud

Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Monday 15 February 21 10:08 GMT (UK)
Thanks Louisa but someone had found that the Nellie who married Webb was a different one. I'd like to know what happened to nellie as I can't find any trace of her. Also, I don't have Ancstry so can't see the mother's testimony. Hoepfully if the libraries ever reopen ...

Thanks
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 15 February 21 10:18 GMT (UK)
Was she an Ellen ?

LM
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Monday 15 February 21 10:39 GMT (UK)
The birth register at the workhouse says Nellie May.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 15 February 21 10:57 GMT (UK)
Her mother Florrie Eugie Parrett buried 14 Nov 1917, Lewisham - could Nellie May have been adopted or placed with a family and therefore have a different surname  ???

Have you tried searching for deaths (from Jun qtr. 1969 give dob) or the 1939 register with her first name/s and her dob 9 Nov 1910 to see if you get any leads that way
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Monday 15 February 21 11:51 GMT (UK)
There's a NM eastman  d Southampton 1971 with the right dob.
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 15 February 21 12:02 GMT (UK)
There's a NM eastman  d Southampton 1971 with the right dob.

Nellie May Eastman of 2 Chatsworth Rd Bitterne  Died   5 Nov 1971
Administration 14 Jan 1972 Winchester

Not sure if NME on 1939 register with her year of birth 1907  :-\
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 15 February 21 12:26 GMT (UK)
Don't know if this will help

Nellie May Eastman
reg Sth Stoneham
1907 D qtr
2c 92
MMN Pressley
parents poss Frederick and Florence Mary Pressley
Married Sth Stoneham 1895

LM
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: daveroot on Monday 15 February 21 12:42 GMT (UK)
Ok so probably not her then ....
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 15 February 21 12:43 GMT (UK)

I don't have Ancstry so can't see the mother's testimony. Hoepfully if the libraries ever reopen ...


Probably a mistake on the record as
Nellie May Parrett was baptised with name Nellie May born 9 Nov 1910
and her birth entry 1910 registered with the same name

Something I did notice on the link John posted for The Board of Guardians record
but I don't know whether it might be relevant or not it was probably just a mistake with her first name but will post details anyway

Parish of St Mary Islington, London date of examination 26th April 1912
Under name of Paupers chargeable /ages /place of birth of children /date of birth
Florrie Eugie Parrett 22 single, 39 Smyrks Rd Walworth Jany 1890
LILY May , Newington Workhouse,  9 Nov 1910
Particulars of Marriage if certificate produced - NO
marriage of parents
Harry Emmanuel Parrett Sarah Ann Winfield, All Saints Surrey Sq, Walworth

States she was with William Flowers , Costermonger for about 4 months at Gaywood St London Road, his whereabouts not known

There is this marriage entry (no middle name)

Mar 1933 Stepney
Lily Parrett to a R J Philipps
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 15 February 21 12:51 GMT (UK)

There is this marriage entry (no middle name)

Mar 1933 Stepney
Lily Parrett to a R J Philipps

For info..... on 1939 London Electoral Register they are living at 128 East Ferry Road Ward or Division/Constituency:   Poplar South County or Borough:   Tower Hamlets

EDIT to add

It's not her as Lily Philipps year of birth 1878
Title: Re: Harry Emmanual Parrett
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 15 February 21 13:05 GMT (UK)
I did come across this record on London Electoral Register

Nellie May Parrett
Electoral Date:   1932
Street Address:   10 Albion Hill-
Ward or Division/Constituency:   Greenwich

she is with an Arthur William Parrett so checked and found that they married 1912 and her surname Rushell