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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Tgapitbull on Saturday 13 February 21 08:34 GMT (UK)
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There is an Elizabeth MANN of Heworth Green, York buried in the St Thomas's Churchyard, Halifax on 22 March 1911. She was 89 years of age and born c 1822. (Source Genuki)
Other MANN's also buried in the churchyard are John Mann, his wife Mary Mann and son Robert Parker Mann.
In immigration to Canterbury, New Zealand on the ship "Lady Jocelyn" which departed London on 3 November 1874, arriving Lyttelton, New Zealand on 21 January 1875 - Colonial Nominated Immigrants by Anthony Mann, Waimate, NZ are the following:
Elizabeth Mann 46yrs Cook, Yorks
Emily Mann 17yrs Svt, Yorks
Elizabeth Mann 15yrs Svt, Yorks
Robert [Parker] Mann 7yrs, Yorks
I have yet to located the migration record for Anthony, but do know he was in Waimate, NZ in Nov 1873 (Source: Paperspast NZ Press newspaper 11 Nov 1873, Pg 2)
I would be interested to know if the Elizabeth Mann buried in the St Thomas's churchyard, Halifax is the same person at the Elizabeth Mann who came out to NZ in 1874/75?
Could she be a sister of John Mann, and aunt to Elizabeth, Emily and Robert?
Robert Parker Mann returned to England (details unknown) and I wonder if Elizabeth Mann returned with him? Robert Parker Mann died in 1881.
Any assistance appreciated.
I will attach as a separate posting research on the NZ Board, on Elizabeth Mann age 15yrs who arrived in NZ in 1875 to avoid duplication of research.
TPB
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Following is the link referred to above
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=844217.0
TPB
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Possibly the one buried in Halifax in 1911 is this one showing in 1901 in York with Arthur and Mary Coton
RG13/4445 Folio 155 Page 5
Elizabeth Mann Mother-In-Law Widow 79 bn Halifax, Yorkshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS9G-NHJ
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Thanks Rosie99 for your posting - could be?
TPB
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Hi Rosie99,
The Elizabeth Mann buried in 1911 and/or with Arthur and Mary Coton is not the Elizabeth Mann that I am looking for so back to the drawing board.
The Elizabeth Mann with the Coton's was the wife of Joseph Mann.
TPB
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Hi Rosie99,
I have taken another look at this and you could be on the right track.
Also buried in St Thomas's churchyard is Joseph Mann who died 22 July 1900. His wife is Elizabeth Mann nee Halliday. They married in 1855 in Halifax.
John Mann who died on 25 May 1906 and is also buried in the churchyard married Mary Mann nee Holmes in 1844 in Halifax.
I wonder if John born 1825 and Joseph born 1821 both born Halifax were siblings? This would make Elizabeth, John's sister-in-law.
I have yet to find any children of Joseph and Elizabeth.
TPB
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There is a headstone for Joseph, just in case you hadn't seen it.
I don't think anyone else in the Mann family has a stone.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175244605/joseph-mann#view-photo=193195222
Pauline
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Thanks Pauline for the photo which is much appreciated.
I have been looking at some family trees on Ancestry and note that alot of them contain incorrect info. I have sent a message to one family tree owner to see if they are able to assist.
I hope that the Elizabeth referred to in the photo as wife of Joseph, is Elizabeth Halliday?
Thanks
TPB
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There is a headstone for Joseph, just in case you hadn't seen it.
I don't think anyone else in the Mann family has a stone.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/175244605/joseph-mann#view-photo=193195222
Pauline
There is also a will for him available from the probate office (£1.50)
Joseph Mann of Eastern Villa, Heworth Green, York - probate to Mary Ellen Coton (wife of Arthur), John Bancroft, John Halliday & Walton Halliday
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar?surname=mann&yearOfDeath=1900&page=2#calendar
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Hi Rosie99,
I have taken another look at this and you could be on the right track.
Also buried in St Thomas's churchyard is Joseph Mann who died 22 July 1900. His wife is Elizabeth Mann nee Halliday. They married in 1855 in Halifax.
John Mann who died on 25 May 1906 and is also buried in the churchyard married Mary Mann nee Holmes in 1844 in Halifax.
I wonder if John born 1825 and Joseph born 1821 both born Halifax were siblings? This would make Elizabeth, John's sister-in-law.
Hi again TPB ... (following on NZ thread)
I think the Joseph MANN born 1821 you refer to here, was the illegitimate son of Sarah MANN.
Baptism record - born 3 January 1821 - bapt. 17 June 1821 - s/o Sarah MANN - spinster - St John the Baptist Church, Halifax.
In 1851 this Joseph MANN - 30 - unmarried - stone mason - b. H/fax is in the household of George PARKINSON, stone mason - 50 and his wife Sarah (51). Added on the census return is the word "illegitimate" above word "son" (so, s/o Sarah PARKINSON, but not of George ? ) .
In 1861 - at Halifax, Joseph MANN - 40 - mason is with wife Elizabeth - 39 - (wrong on index as 29) ... their daughter Mary Ellen - 5 and Joseph's mother-in-law, Martha HALLIDAY - 64 ... all born Halifax.
~ Lu
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Hi TPB
Once I've sorted them all, will post (on NZ thread) names of children of Robert and Lydia MANN.
Haven't to date, found a Joseph amongst them. All children of this couple, appear to have been baptised in the Salem Methodist New Connexion Church, Halifax.
~ Lu
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Thanks Rosie99 and Lucy2 for your postings.
This is not the correct family so will close this posting.
Thanks for all your assistance.
TPB