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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Buckinghamshire => Topic started by: peakoverload on Monday 15 February 21 21:53 GMT (UK)
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I'm tracing my 5xGG Robert Gray. I know almost nothing about him other than he was married to an Ann Allum whom he married in Great Marlow on 23/02/1778
They had 4 children:
Joseph Gray b1781
Ann Gray b1783
Sarah Gray b 1785
Hannah Gray b1790
I've no idea when Robert was born but have presumed it was around 1757 +/- 5 years in Great Marlow. Unfortunately there are two potential baptisms that match, one in 1757 and the other in 1759 and at the moment I've no way of identifying which is correct.
I'm also trying to find a burial for him and as it must be on or after 1790 I can only find two burials in Great Marlow that are possibles. However they match each other almost too perfectly and it makes me wonder if they are in fact the same burial but one has been miss transcribed.
In the record set England Deaths & Burials 1538-1991 there is a burial for a Robert Gray in Great Marlow on 19 Sep 1791
In the archives of the centre for Buckinghamshire Studies in the Bishops Transcripts (archive reference D/A/T/126/8) there is a burial for a Robert Gray in Great Marlow on 19 Sep 1790
What are the chances of there being two Robert Gray's in Great Marlow that were buried on exactly the same day but 1 year apart? Would you agree that this is more than likely a transcription error or that the date was written down incorrectly in the Bishops Transcript?
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I would think it is most likely the same burial, probably when the Bishop’s transcripts were made. That’s why it is always important to try and view the original images, then you can compare the other entries not same pages.
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I had a baptism of a child that was indexed as 1818
which would have made him a tad early.
When I looked at the register it was in fact 1819.
The top of the page was headed 1818
but halfway down the page the next year commenced.
The 1819 was in the margin and the indexer missed it.
So not an early babe after all.
Regards
pH
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BUT the England Deaths and Burials transcription says 19 September 1790 :-\ via FindMyPast at least.
Added:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JDQ8-JYH
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Oops - I also see that FS have two dates for Robert's burial - 1790 AND 1791. :)
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I've no idea when Robert was born but have presumed it was around 1757 +/- 5 years in Great Marlow. Unfortunately there are two potential baptisms that match, one in 1757 and the other in 1759 and at the moment I've no way of identifying which is correct.
There is a burial on 20 Sep 1759 for Robert Gray son of Charles, so that eliminates the 8 July 1759 baptism
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And there's a burial in 1771, for a Robert Gray son of Robert, but may not be 1757 baptism.
Also burial 28 May 1837 for a Robert Grey age 88, making year of birth about 1756
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Coincidentally there is another Robert Gray burial in Great Marlow, same date but exactly a year apart in 1785 and 1786.
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You might already have this. Ann Gray wife of Robert buried 10 Nov 1816 age 64 ( b abt 1752). She was around 26 when married.
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As it looks like the Roberts bapt in 1757 and 1759 have been dispatched, could Robert be older than you think and this is a second marriage.
There is a Robert bapt 1740, who I think married on14 Oct 1764 to Elizabeth Fivochell (odd name but only seeing transcript) at Wooburn. Banns record says he was of Gt Marlow but marriage says Lt Marlow.
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Forget that last one, Free reg has transcription and says Robert was a bachelor. witnesses Thomas Allam and W Arnold
In case it is relevant to wider family later Freereg has Elizabeth with the odd surname as Twitchell.
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You might already have this. Ann Gray wife of Robert buried 10 Nov 1816 age 64 ( b abt 1752). She was around 26 when married.
Just rechecked and it says 'wife of' not 'widow of', implying Robert was still alive in 1816.
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Thanks all for the replies and info, especially to LizzieL for the new leads.
I know that with records of this age there is often an element of 'best guess' as the detail recorded is so scant. It's also further complicated in that there appear to be a number of Gray families living in Great Marlow around that time and into the 1800's and there does appear to be two or three generations of Robert at various stages and in at least one occurrence, both married someone of the same name.
Going through things though, unless I've missed something, the most likely scenario based on the records found so far is that:
Robert Gray was baptised 04/01/1757 to parents Robert and Elizabeth
Ann Allum was born c1752
Robert married Ann Allum 23/02/1778 Robert aged 21, Ann aged 26
Ann Allum was buried 10/11/1816
Robert was buried 28/05/1837
All the dates do seem to match up. The thing I'm less certain about is Robert only being 21 when he married when Ann was 26. Whilst certainly not impossible, it just 'feels' a little too much of an age gap for people so young.
It's entirely possible that Robert wasn't born in Great Marlow, it's just that 3-4 generations after him were all from there. Indeed I'm really struggling to trace this line any further back than this.