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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Galway => Topic started by: Dotty13 on Tuesday 16 February 21 21:08 GMT (UK)
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Hello everyone I don't know if I'm post in the right place but I'm busy doing my family tree and I'm really struggling I have just found out that my Grandad mum passed away in child birth in 1919 and his father put him his twin sister and brother in a home and was never since again but my father was born in louth lodge in 1941. Can anyone let me know where I can go for information please I would be so grateful as my dad as passed away so don't know where to go as my aunt won't tell me anything
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Hi,
Yes you can find information.
Grandads name and year of birth (approx)
Thanks
Maggsie
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Hello my grandad name is James Brady the year he was born was 1919 and he was married to Bridget (cunningham)
I know the lived at louth Lodge around 1941 as my dad Michael was born there
Thank you
Dot
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Reply 18 here explains where louth/South Lodge was 1920s
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=122732.18
when your great grandfather put the children away or he was forced to by court he would still have to pay for their upkeep
my great grandfather was in prison 1900 a month's hard labour his wife was ill in an institution and he worked for a brewery and was away overnight some times two day's driving a horse drawn dray.
When he got home the police were waiting for him over his children running wild all night and the neighbours were also complaining which of course frustated him so he beat them with a belt hence the month's hard labour, his son about 12 was sent to Artane industrial school in Dublin and daughter to Iristown nuns in Wexford my gran did'nt have to go as she was over 16.
The son was held in Artane till he was 16 and then out on licence to a farmer till aged 18 back home by 1911 census.
I got most of this information from the Christian brothers and the nun's
A fellow RootsChatter sent me the info from the Petty Sessions about the upkeep.
Who was your great grandfather where were they living in 1919 have you looked to see if he remarried later ?
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I don't know my great grandfather name and I don't know if he remarried. All I have to go on his my grandad name and my grandma name and the name of they children. My aunt who I asked as not really said anything apart from my great grandma passed away in child birth and that my Grandad had a twin sister and a brother and that all. My dad passed away so I can't ask him anything. And if I do mention anything no one in the family will saying anything
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Hi Dotty, do you know what your grand dads mums name was?
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Hi. I'm not 100 per cent of my grandad mum name. As from I have been told she passed away in child birth. I have been told 2 possible a mary Anne Brady who married a James Brady or a Catherine Larkin who married a Francis Brady. I have found a death certificate for Mary Ann Brady who passed away in child birth. Catherine Larkin death certificate is years after my grandad was born
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It helps to post links to information found to save us from searching for the same details again.
James Brady married Mary Anne Brady- when and where? Mary Anne Brady died- when and where?
Your grandfather born 1919 but where? His birth certificate will list names of both parents unless illegitimate. This thread is on GALWAY board but that covers several registration districts- Ballinasloe, Ballinrobe, Clifden, Galway, Glenamaddy, Gort, Loughrea, Mountbellew, Oughterard, Portunna, Roscommon, Scarriff, Tuam.
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I can't find my grandad birth certificate any where All I have got his death certificate. I can't even find a marriage certificate for him and my nana Bridget cunningham
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Hi. I'm not 100 per cent of my grandad mum name. As from I have been told she passed away in child birth. I have been told 2 possible a mary Anne Brady who married a James Brady or a Catherine Larkin who married a Francis Brady. I have found a death certificate for Mary Ann Brady who passed away in child birth. Catherine Larkin death certificate is years after my grandad was born
What about these details you mentioned?
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Mary Anne Brady passed away in Cavan in child birth. James and Bridget lived at louth lodge in 1941 when my dad Michael Brady was born and his siblings Like I said I have 2 possible set of parents for my grandad that I need to look in to. From the information I have been told is. My grandad was a twin and had another sibling and his mother passed away in child birth and they father left them in a orphanage that all I know
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There is a James Brady born 18 May 1920 Galway registration district- mother's maiden name Kelly (unfortunately certificate not online)
If Mary Anne Brady died in Cavan where does Galway come into this?
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My nana is from galway and apparently that where my grandad meet my nana and that where my dad and his siblings were born
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My nana is from galway and apparently that where my grandad meet my nana and that where my dad and his siblings were born
Yes, but that doesn't mean your GRANDFATHER was born in Galway which is what you've led us to believe.
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From an earlier thread-
I am busy doing my family tree and my grandad was born 1919 and his mother passed away giving birth to him and his sister and his father put them in a orphanage can anyone tell me where I would be able to get any information from I know he married a Bridget cunningham and he was called James Brady. I would be so grateful for any help thank you
Lots of searching was already done for you on that thread. There's also another thread-
Hello
I wonder if someone can help me I'm busy doing my family tree and I have found the marriage of my grandparents
James Brady and Mary Cunningham in 1940 in Dublin the marriage has got the names of both fathers on. Wish is a Joseph Brady and Patrick cunningham. My grand dad mother passed away in child birth and I'm struggling to find his mother. I was told James father put him and his siblings in a orphanage and was never since again so I have hit a brick wall now
Any help or information would be amazing
Thank you
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I have all thought that my Grandad was from Galway. But from what I have all been told just recently is that he was from out of the area. I have done a dna test with find my past and put it on ged match and my top one is 53cm and the name is a Alice Tobin Kelly with mrca 4.
I going to see what church around near where my nana lived and see if I can find a marriage for them and honestly take it from there
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My nana called Bridget Cunningham her father was called Michael Cunningham so it turned out that wasn't they marriage. Her father passed away in 1910 her brother was called Patrick and they wouldn't of put her brother name on her marriage certificate
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Suggest you read through those 2 other threads. Birth found earlier-
There is a public tree on Ancestry which has this baptism image linked as his:
James Christopher BRADY bap 25 Jun 1916, parents: Michael BRADY and Mary MURRAY at Terenure.
It says he was adopted 1919 and married Bridget CUNNINGHAM in 1938, though no sources are given.
There are photographs. :)
Modified to add:
The tree also says he was born 11 May 1919, so I don't see how he could be baptised in 1916. Something's not right
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Plus this thread is from 16 Feb 2021
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Plus this thread is from 16 Feb 2021
These three overlapping threads are from Feb.2021, Mar.2021 and Dec.2021-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;sa=topics;u=317717
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Related threads.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=845339
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=856032
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I can't find my grandad birth certificate any where
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie
Maiden surnames of mothers and dates of births are shown in results table for births registered during the years you think your grandfather was born.
A search for James Brady births registered 1916-1920 anywhere in Ireland produces 131 results. They include babies with other surnames if mother's maiden surname was Brady. Select the option to put results in order of relevance. That will place James Brady births on the list before those with other surnames.
As you're not certain where your granddad was born you may have to consider them all.
Either print them off or make a note of each James Brady birth, including date of birth, registration district and mother's maiden surname.
Then as he was, according to your aunt, a twin, search for other Brady births in each of those districts in the same year/s and with the same maiden surname. If you get any matches, check if date of birth was the same (or a day apart in case twins were born either side of midnight). There's an advanced search page where you can enter relevant information. Select "More search options".
This will only work if James was a twin and if his forename was included on the birth registration.
Someone else may be able to suggest a quicker method of filtering results.
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I have had alook and there is not one with his date of birth wish is the 11 may. I am starting to want to give it up and just throw the towel in
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I have had alook and there is not one with his date of birth wish is the 11 may. I am starting to want to give it up and just throw the towel in
That may not have been his correct date of birth. Even the year may not have been correct. Or the date may be correct but a different date might be on the birth registration.
A member of my family has an official birthday (on birth certificate) and a real one. A cousin of mine didn't know the date of her Irish-born dad's birth. Birthdates of my mother and grandmother were different in baptism registers to dates on their birth certificates. Age of one of my uncles was wrong on 1939 Register. I know of a family in Mayo which gave incorrect birthdates for all their children when registering their births.
The method I suggested in my previous reply is a way to search for births of a James Brady who was a twin. It's time-consuming but it's a logical approach.
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Thank you I will try it this weekend and see what I come up. See as well my mum had always told me that my nana was always 9 or 10 years older than my nana and she was born in 1906 so I'm going to do the search from 1915
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You are going around in circles making things much more difficult for yourself than needs to be. Just going back on THIS thread what you say you have is-
_ Brady m. _ (d.1919 childbirth)
1. Twin son
2. Twin daughter
3. James Brady (1919 or c1916?) m. Bridget Cunningham (1906)
a. Michael Brady (1941 Louth Lodge-dec.)
b. Daughter
There should be the following documents in vital records (births, marriages, deaths)-
1) marriage of James Brady & Bridget Cunningham
2) birth of James Brady c1919
3) death of _ Brady (c1919 in childbirth)
4) births of twin Brady children before 1918
5) marriage of parents to James Brady & twins before 1918
Yet, you are apparently unable to find any of those registrations online.
The only marriage for a James Brady to a Cunningham in Ireland from 1935-1942 is the one found earlier in Dublin were the bridge is Mary not Bridget. A Joseph Brady, herd, is listed as James' father.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1940/08839/5196297.pdf
In the 1911 census there are 35 Joseph Bradys who are married (several argricultural labourers but no shepherds) and 151 Joseph Bradys who are single (many too young to have a child in 1919). Taking the ones age 15 and older there is one listed as herd but ag. labs and farmer's sons cannot be ruled out-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Winetown/Shinglis/879511/
More to follow...
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Here's Shinglis townland-
https://www.townlands.ie/westmeath/rathconrath/ballymore/winetown/shinglis/
These are the registration districts in Westmeath- Athlone, Ballymahon, Castletown, Delvin, Granard, Mullingar, Tullamore. Shinglis is in Ballymahon R.D.
Joseph Brady's birth in 1895 gives his mother as Mary (nee Lynam) and father as Thomas Brady, also a herd-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02192/1828981.pdf
I can't find a marriage for this joseph in Ireland from 1911-1915.
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I'm going off what my aunt told me. I can't find a marriage for a James Brady and Bridget Cunningham when they passed away in the uk in 1984 and 1986 they would of been married abt 48 years wish that would make it either 1938 or 1940. From what I have been told my grandad was homeless when he meet my nana. My dad was born in 1941 was born at louth lodge I have got his birth certificate.
I know my nana lived with her auntie Margaret Burns and Michael Burns.
I found out that they had my nana date of birth wrong they said she was born in 1908 when in fact she was born in 1906. I have been told that James Brady was a twin and had another sibling and that his mother passed away in child birth and they father left them in a orphanage.
And with his daughter telling me this I thought it was fact
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We have been through this before- are you now saying that the marriage of James Brady & Mary Cunningham is not the correct couple? If that is the case then you really do need to get some birth certificates for your father & siblings to confirm details of both parents.
Now back to the Mary Anne Brady who died 1919 in Cavan district that you mentioned several times earlier but declined to provide further details for.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05236/4450173.pdf
Mary Anne Brady died 4 July 1916 at Fairtown, married, age 38, informant was husband James Brady who registered the death 10 Aug.1916 and she was a farmer's wife. If this is James Brady's mother then 1) he was born on or before 4 July 1916 not in 1919, 2) twin siblings would have been born before 1916.
Possibly this family in 1911 census=
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Clonervy/Fartan__Upper/320587/
Birth of daughter Rose Ann gives mother's maiden name as Reilly-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01611/1646261.pdf
A daughter Mary Brady was born 4 July 1916 at Fairtown and father James Brady registered her birth 10 Aug.1916 the same day he was there to register death of his wife-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01335/1550878.pdf
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I have got a copy of my dad birth certificate wish is a Michael Brady born the 17th September 1941 at Louth lodge his parents are a Bridget cunningham and a James Brady.
I don't know if my aunt as got his date of birth right as it was my uncle who registered his death in rochdale uk in 1984 and I don't know if that right.
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I don't know if James mother passed away having him and his twin or another sibling
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Children of James Brady and Mary Anne Reilly in 1911 Census-
John (1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01804/1706919.pdf
Philip- haven't found his birth yet
Rose Ann (1909)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01611/1646261.pdf
Son James (born 7 July 1911 Fairtown)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01517/1616000.pdf
Daughter Mary Brady (1916)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01335/1550878.pdf
There is no sign of twins and considering that your aunt was likely to have that story from either of her parents and that her father was raised in an orphanage that may not be correct.
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Unfortunately I can't get anymore information off my auntie as she won't give it to me. And there is no one else I can ask From what I have been told off someone who lives in the village my grandparents lived in that knows the family was that my Grandad was homeless when he meet my nanna and that he was from out of the village. And that a family took him in and he worked for them. And he use to do work in the UK to. And in the 60s he work in a hardware shop in Dunmore
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I have got a copy of my dad birth certificate wish is a Michael Brady born the 17th September 1941 at Louth lodge his parents are a Bridget cunningham and a James Brady.
I don't know if my aunt as got his date of birth right as it was my uncle who registered his death in rochdale uk in 1984 and I don't know if that right.
Is there an occupation for James?
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Hopefully you will be able to see my dad birth certificate
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Thanks, aghadowey for your recap in reply 25.
Reply 28.
Now back to the Mary Anne Brady who died 1919 in Cavan district that you mentioned several times earlier but declined to provide further details for.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05236/4450173.pdf
Mary Anne Brady died 4 July 1916 at Foirtown, married, age 38, informant was husband James Brady who registered the death 10 Aug.1916 and she was a farmer's wife. If this is James Brady's mother then 1) he was born on or before 4 July 1919 not in 1919, 2) twin siblings would have been born before 1916.
I think you meant James was born on or before 4th July 1916.
I was confused about the twins. I'd interpreted it as James being a twin. That's why I explained how to find birth registrations for a James Brady and his twin. I think I misunderstood. Dotty, did your aunt tell you that James was a twin or that he had a sister and brother who were twins?
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I was confused about the twins. I'd interpreted it as James being a twin. That's why I explained how to find birth registrations for a James Brady and his twin. I think I misunderstood. Dotty, did your aunt tell you that James was a twin or that he had a sister and brother who were twins?
I now see that Dotty said in replies 27 & 30 that James was a twin.
I'm going off what my aunt told me.
I have been told that James Brady was a twin and had another sibling and that his mother passed away in child birth and they father left them in a orphanage.
And with his daughter telling me this I thought it was fact
I don't know if James mother passed away having him and his twin or another sibling
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Thanks, aghadowey for your recap in reply 25.
Reply 28.
Now back to the Mary Anne Brady who died 1919 in Cavan district that you mentioned several times earlier but declined to provide further details for.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05236/4450173.pdf
Mary Anne Brady died 4 July 1916 at Foirtown, married, age 38, informant was husband James Brady who registered the death 10 Aug.1916 and she was a farmer's wife. If this is James Brady's mother then 1) he was born on or before 4 July 1919 not in 1919, 2) twin siblings would have been born before 1916.
I think you meant James was born on or before 4th July 1916.
I was confused about the twins. I'd interpreted it as James being a twin. That's why I explained how to find birth registrations for a James Brady and his twin. I think I misunderstood. Dotty, did your aunt tell you that James was a twin or that he had a sister and brother who were twins?
Absolutely correct- James born 1916 not 1919.
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These three threads are full of unsubstantiated stories, changing details and apparent errors.
In all the records I looked at yesterday, and I looked at hundreds, I could find no trace of any Brady twins to fit. Leaving aside, just for a moment, the exact date and place of James Brady's birth (with or without a twin) it would seem likely that he was quite young when his mother died and he might have little contact with his family in later years.
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From what I have been told off someone who lives in the village my grandparents lived in that knows the family was that my Grandad was homeless when he meet my nanna and that he was from out of the village. And that a family took him in and he worked for them. And he use to do work in the UK too.
Have you considered that your grandparents may have married in Britain or in Northern Ireland? There was work to be had for men and women on farms and in factories.
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I searched all Ireland for marriage and only thing close was the Brady-Cunningham marriage found previously.
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I searched all Ireland for marriage and only thing close was the Brady-Cunningham marriage found previously.
So, the wedding wasn't in Northern Ireland either.
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I was told my grandad was a twin and had another sibling and that they mum passed away in child birth and they father left them in a orphanage. I have just gone back and looked at the message my aunt sent and she said my grandad was a twin and his twin was a sister and he had a brother and that she passed away in child birth and they father left them in a orphanage. I don't know if she passed away in child birth with my grandad and the twin or with his other sibling. I have found twins born on the 23 July 1919 in Dublin and they where both boys and than the girl was born after.
Sorry for going off the information I was given that all I can do
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I hadn't considered that they could of married in the UK
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I understand that you are just repeating what you have been told by your aunt but it may be that she was not told correct information.
In any case, many, if not most of the details you have, cannot be backed up with solid evidence such as certificates.
Even if the Brady family in Fairtown is not the right Brady family (and it is the one, so far, which seems to make the most sense) I did not find ANY James Brady ANYWHERE in Ireland that had a twin sister or even a twin brother.
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I hadn't considered that they could of married in the UK
Just checked for marriage on Scotland's People but nothing there.
Checked FreeBMD and nothing for England/Wales.
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They was a James Brady and Thomas Brady born on the 23 July 1919 to a Francis Brady and Catherine Larkin hopefully you can see the birth certificate I have attached
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I thought you had discounted those, Dotty.
Their father died in 1925. He was married.
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I have discounted them for the reason being the Catherine brady that passed away she was 57 and it was a heart attack and she was a widow
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I have just gone back and looked at the message my aunt sent and she said my grandad was a twin and his twin was a sister and he had a brother
Thanks for making it clear.
Do you know names of your granddad's sister and brother or anything about them?
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Unfortunately I don't wish is such a shame
The only information I have got is he married Bridget Cunningham and her parents where Mary reddington and Michael cunningham
James and Bridget children where
Michael, Christopher, Patrick, Bridget and Margaret. And that when Michael was born in 1941 they lived at Louth lodge
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I would think this has been posted a few times but I wonder if Bridget Cunningham had been married previously and that is why we can’t find the marriage.
She would be several years older than him.
Deaths - Rochdale
James Brady 1984 - birth 11 May 1919
Bridget Brady 1986 - birth 13th April 1906
We know that Bridget’s is correct.
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I was wonder the same Yes she was older that my Grandad
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The only information I have got is he married Bridget Cunningham and her parents where Mary reddington and Michael cunningham
So, is this the birth record for Bridget?
1906 at Poleighter [sic], Glennamaddy.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01736/1686139.pdf
https://www.townlands.ie/galway/ballymoe/clonbern/raheen/polleighter/
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Yes that is my nana
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Has it ever been mentioned that James Brady might not be his birth name?
Even if that were so, though, it wouldn’t account for the lack of a marriage record.
Have you contacted the church in Dunmore? I see there is an email address.
If the children were baptised there, there might be information in the baptismal records.
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Have you considered a DNA test?
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I have consider that I have done a dna test with find my past and I added it to gedmatch and my highest match was a mrca 4 to a Mary Tobin Kelly. I have emailed churches in dunmore and never got a reply
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Oh that’s sad re the church.
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I know. I was put in touch with a nun to and she sent a reply saying she would help me and I haven't heard nothing for 8 weeks either and now it got to the point where I just want to give it up and forgot all about it. But I have done so much work on my nana side and on my mum side Just don't know what to do