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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: spookymuffin on Wednesday 17 February 21 17:48 GMT (UK)
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Researching my family I have come to a halt with George Gaby Nott. He lived "near the Sign of the Fire Engine" which was in St George, Bristol. Born Dec.18 1763, died Jun. 30 1829. His father was George Nott (1743) and mother was Anne ? . The middle name Gaby could be the mother's maiden name but I cannot find a record of her...any ideas?
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Ancestry : Index to Bristol Wills 1572-1792
NOTT : James 1749
NOTT : George 1767
NOTT : Elizabeth 1774
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The Forest of Dean Family History Website - Marriage Licence and Bonds - has 26 NOTT records
Including : 9 November 1776 (two records, he was aged 22)
Robert NOTTS - Batchelor,
Parish of St Philip and St Giles in the City of Bristol
Sarah VINES - Spinster of DURHAM
To marry at DURHAM
: Robert NOT, baptised 14 July 1754, St Philip and St Jacob, father: George NOT
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Burial at Hanham Abbots, St George Gloucestershire : 27 November 1744
Ann NOT - age 0
baptism date: 27 November 1744
father: George NOT
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NOT(T) seems a Devon name - looking at Freereg
Family search does have
George NOTT Marriage - 16 February 1752,
Bishops Tawton, Devon,
to : Ann GARD
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The National Archives also has George NOTT, Bristol.
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Thanks for such a prompt reply. My mystery is the origin of the middle name Gaby possibly being a clue to Anne's family. Mainly the Nott family was from a small area of Bristol and the only Gabys I can find are somewhere in Wiltshire interestingly that area was known for it's weaving. The Nott's two daughters were cotton weavers (from the census) but if there is a connection with the Gabys of Wiltshire there is a hundred year gap, it's intriguing.
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I don't know if you have found this.
https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/349521621063100659/
It is right opposite the main entrance gate to St George Park
This oldmap shows that St George park gate area was Fire Engine Farm.
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/361825/173556/13/100204
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Thanks for the links...very helpful, especially the map.
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Re the surname GABY
My x Grandad married a BURROWS, in Gloucestershire in 1843, their Grandson (my Grandad) had this as one of his middle names as did his Son (my Uncle).
Also I have Alias surnames in my tree - which was a very common practice as well.
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George Gaby NOTT - baptised, St George Bristol - 18 December 1763 - parents: George & Anne
and then 46 years later
Hester Gaby NOTT - baptised, St George Bristol - 17 March 1811 - parents: George & Ann
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Yes, it is a puzzle but the middle name was only used in one generation. This is what makes researching your family so interesting...hunting and solving the mysteries.
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I was Zooming a Family History talk a couple of days ago, and one of the items discussed, was how the records are written down, then written out again, by someone else etc, and how names where transcribed incorrectly. Not too many people could read or write.
There seem to be GABE/JABE/GABB etc variations of the surname.
? as George & Ann NOTT start appearing in Bristol in 1761 - James NOTT baptised 1 November 1761 and buried 23 March 1762 - the marriage would appear to be just before then. There seem to be family names - and a number of their children were also buried.
? There is an outside chance of this marriage at Dursley
George NOTT living in this Parish and Ann GALE living in this Parish (banns - 30 December 1759/6 January 1760 and 13 January and the Marriage at Dursley - 11 February 1760.
(seems it hasn't been written 'Of this Parish')
? may be the L could be originally a B -
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So many people moved to Bristol for work - it does make it difficult for research, as I found in my husband's line.
There is a
Robert GABE - baptised Dursley - 5 April 1678 - father Richard
Charles GAB? - baptised at Dursley - 5 August 1715 - parents: Charles & Mary
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If you read up on Dursley - Dursley has a rich and varied industrial history founded in the 15th century with woollen cloth manufacturing.
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That's a lot to consider, many thanks.
I did a restart and so far I am taking on board the possibility of Ann Gale being a candidate and it could fit. Dursley is not far from Bristol, my George Nott was a millwright so there would have been plenty of work there. Subsequent male children were itinerant boiler makers (skills from father), females cotton weavers ( Ann Gale probably a weaver in Dursley). Their children were all born in St George, Bristol, possibly George and Ann could have moved there because of the mining and the already established "Fire Engine", a steam-powered pump to suck the water out of the pits...just up George's street!
That's a neat possible solution so I will go with it for a while, thank-you so much for some excellent suggestions.
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I listed some Gloucestershire Wills, one being George NOTT 1767
? As I don’t know your tree... this is on National Archives and held at Somerset Heritage Centre.
Contract for new frame and wheels for bells between George Nott of SS Philip and Jacob., millwright and parish....
Date: 1750
Is this going back another generation?
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I use Ancestry.com mainly in my research so have only just discovered this site. It does seem likely that the George Nott mentioned could have been the father of the one I have been stuck on (he was born in 1740(2). Are you able to access wills from Ancestry? I am finding it difficult but have only just started. The National Archives are defeating me at the moment! So grateful for your support.
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I've received today, an email regarding a
RootsTech Conference - taking place 25-27 February 2021 - it's live - and you just have to join. They have a team of people ready to answer questions etc and point you in the right direction.
The National Archives is a site I always check first - as it shows what Office the records are held - Will have another look.
To get to the National Archives, just Google:
A2a
The first heading which comes up is
Discovery | The National Archives
Click on this and the page says
The National Archives
Explore the catalogue
Search for: says Enter keyword(s)
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Just for quickness - when you get into the National Archives and use the Search....
type in:
Contract for new frame and wheels for bells
and this will take you straight to the items dated 1750 .... regarding George NOTT
If you click on this, you will have how to contact the Somserset Heritage Centre (most probably closed at the moment due to lockdown) - but probably people are working from home.
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I shall check out the RootsTech conference, and the other advice you have given me. All of this has been a great help.
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Just searching the South West Heritage Trust : Somerset Archive Catalogue -
NOTT
Previous reply - listed a burial at Hanhan Abbott St George 27 November 1744 - of Ann NOT - age 0 - father George
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and on the above website
1732: Receipted voucher for work by George NOTT of Hanham - bell-hanger.....
The NOTT family seemed to hang bells in Churches.
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Hanham is close to Bitton, Gloucestershire - and I've seen NOTT's on Ancestry etc - from around this area.
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Think, I'm getting 'somewhere'....
There is on Ancestry - a Marriage at Gloucester, St Philip and St Jacob
on the 26 April 1750 - of George NOTT and Elizabeth COX, both of this Parish
and transcript says, they married by Licence.
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As my husband's material line - have links to Bitton -
There is a website for Bitton Families - which does include Wills (I've only just started looking)
www.bittonfamilies.com
by there are Wills - including this one.
Will of Hester WILMOTT
1755, Will of Hester WILMOTT of Bitton, Widow
`Proved 21 January 21
In the name of God Amen, I Hester Wilmott of the parish of Bitton etc. etc.
..... I give devise and bequeath the same unto my daughter Elizabeth NOTT wife of George NOTT of the parish of St Philip & Jacob in the county of Gloucester millwright........
witnesses: Betty COX, Sarah NOTT, Edward YOUNG
and then 1754
Admin of John WILMOTT of Bitton Coalminer Intestate
Hester WILMOTT Widow of John of Bitton renounced the letter of admin of his estate which was committed to Elizabeth NOTT his daughter wife of George NOTT etc.
Witnessed: Betty COX: Edward YOUNG.
On the thirteenth February 1754 Elizabeth NOTT his daughter swore to adminster the estate to which was attached the bond of George NOTT millwright James (HONE?) salt refiner and John WITCHELL baker all of Bristol.
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There is a death of an Elizabeth NOOT (on Ancestry) - burial date 22 July 1756, Bristol.
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Going back to Robert NOTT who married in Bristol, father George.....
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On the Bitton website there is marriage earlier for a Robert NOTT (family names)
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You mention you NOTT's were Millwright's......
There is a Baptism at Hanham Abbotts St George - 26 August 1759 of Silve daughter of George NOTT
(? George may have married twice)
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Also on the Bitton site - a Palmer will etc.
Mary PALMER b 1788 - wife of Robert NOTT of Bitton, wire drawer
Mary is shown as Mary NOTT, daughter of Hester and Daniel in the baptism records. etc etc.
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fascinating though the info is about Elizabeth Cox there is a problem with age as George was born in 1740. This would support the Ann Gale marriage as he would then have been 20. I haven't found a Robert Nott in my family tree but I think there is one who lived in the Clifton area of Bristol but not related.
I am unable to accurately go back further than George (1740) so there may be millwright, bell hanging family connections from the generation before or even brothers of George who I haven't identified.
There does seem to be some connection with the Notts all in that small area around Bristol though.
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I think the Dursley marriage is the right one, as one of the witnesses was Josias ROBBINS....
Ancestry: Bristol, England, Church of England Baptisms. Marriages and Burials 1538-1812
Josias ROBINS - married Eliz NOTT both of this Parish - 29 May 1748 at St Philip & St Jacob and there is a burial at Bitton - of Josias ROBBINS 6 October 1793 (and earlier ones)
If I remember correctly, George & Ann - had two Sons called James (one died) - so this would probably been his father's name ....
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...yes they did, one just a few months and the other doesn't seem to have lived to his teens