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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: oz diva on Sunday 21 February 21 03:23 GMT (UK)
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Hello Newbie here.
I am interested finding out how my great great grandparents died.
They were Henry Whiteside and Margaret Cuff. They lived in County Mayo and left there in the late 1840s to live in Glasgow. The 1851 census has them residing in World's End Finnieston in Glasgow. Shortly after that they both died, from what I do not know. Their son and two daughters were sent to the Sligo (Ireland) Workhouse and later were sent to their uncle in Sydney.
The problem I am having is that they were born and married in Ireland but died in Scotland and of course the pandemic is not helping.
Where to next?
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Hi , welcome to RC :)
Is this the family in 1851 ?
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a1502d8f4040b9d6e0cfed8/henry-whitsids-1851-lanarkshire-barony-1815-?locale=en
If so it looks like Henry was already widowed.
3 daughters and 1 son ?
ev
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https://irelandxo.com/ireland-xo/history-and-genealogy/ancestor-database/george-whiteside
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Wow that's amazing, thank you. That's them, I see they have an extra daughter, Sarah. I don't know what happened to her, she didn't make it to Australia. Maybe she died in the Workhouse? Thank you once again.
Also interesting that Henry is listed as an excavator, on a death certificate he's listed as a shipwright. I would imagine excavator is pretty low paid and hard work. their mother Margaret could have died in childbirth I suppose.
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If Henry and Margaret died before 1855(the start of official records in Scotland) you are probably not going to find much(if anything) about their deaths.
Margaret may even have died in Ireland or on the journey to Scotland :-\
There might be records of the children being transferred back to Ireland , other with more knowledge would hopefully be able to advise.
ev
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... and no account of them. Their fathers name was Henry Whiteside, mothers maiden name, Margaret Cuff, both natives of the County Sligo, they died in Scotland. Henry Whiteside and his wife Margaret Whiteside or Cuff, died in Scotland about ...
Published: Saturday 28 March 1857
Newspaper: Sligo Champion
SLIGO It 11i1) OF GUARDIANS
... account of them. Their father. name was Henry Whiteside, and mothers maiden name, Margaret Cuff; tooth natives of Sligo. They both died in Scotland ahout seven years and the children were removed from Scotland ...
Published: Saturday 28 March 1857
Newspaper: Sligo Independent
British Newspaper Archives.
ev
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Thank you. If you think it's unlikely I'll find anything much about Henry and Margaret I guess I'll leave it.
They definitely did go back to Ireland. We have a mention of the children in the local Irish newspaper some years later. (ah I see you found it)
Their uncle in Sydney was looking for them for years and eventually his letter got to the right eyes and this chap said he knew them. Then they were put on the ship to Sydney and arrived in October 1857.
By the way after an inauspicious start George (my great grandfather) lived to 90.
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I am in the middle of writing a historical fiction novel about the trip to Australia.
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The Scotlandspeople website has Parish BMD records before 1855 but these are far from complete.
I had a look at the deaths but could not see anything.
Good luck with the book :)
ev
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Thanks for all your help. May be impossible to find.
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Maybe ?
Death , Sarah Whiteside , age 12 , 30th Dec. 1851 Glasgow Lanark , 644/1 580 60.
That's on the Parish Records index on SP , might not give any further info. on the actual record.
ev
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You might be interested in information about Sligo Workhouse if you haven't come across this site previously-
www.workhouses.org.uk/Sligo/
Do you know what religion the family would have been? Catholic Parish Registers-
registers.nli.ie
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I've actually seen the originals of the Sligo Workhouse register. Sadly the book I need has been lost.
They were Church of Ireland, which I suspect helped because they were probably fostered out after a shortish stint in the workhouse.
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The newspapers mention the children were in care of the Protestant Orphan Society. Have you tried https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/a/A13531253 for any possible records (https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/N13838492)?
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thank you I will have a look there.
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Not sure what access arrangements are due to current Covid19 situation (or if you would even consider paying a researcher to look), but:
Mitchell Library, Glasgow hold Poor Law records for the area. Perhaps there is an entry showing the children being sent to Sligo.
https://www.glasgowfamilyhistory.org.uk/ExploreRecords/Pages/Poor-Law.aspx
and Lair records for potential burials of parents:
https://www.glasgowfamilyhistory.org.uk/ExploreRecords/Pages/Burial-Lair-and-Cremation-Registers.aspx
Lair records for some Glasgow cemeteries are also found at familysearch, albeit not indexed, so need to go through films.
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Also, Mitchell Library, Glasgow hold Poor Law records for the area. Perhaps there is an entry showing the children being sent to Sligo.
https://www.glasgowfamilyhistory.org.uk/ExploreRecords/Pages/Poor-Law.aspx
great thanks.