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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Kk7 on Wednesday 24 February 21 00:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Am currently researching 2 sides of family. However this one I have hit a wall. My grandfather was born in Malone place on the Lisburn road in 1914. "Gordon getty armstrong"
His mother was named Margaret Armstrong. He was illegitimate hence the location of birth.
I have no other knowledge than they lived in 50 my ladys road Belfast (where my mum grew up-although she was born in cork).
I cannot find who Margarets parents are. Or her siblings, I was told there were 8 children. Gordon I'm assuming was given Getty as a nod to the unknown father. Apparently he was placed in a home and taken out and raised by his grandmother.
His mother Margaret and I think some sibling soon after emigrated to Canada. That's where all my research on this side ends.
Any help appreciated!
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Welcome to RootsChat :)
My grandfather was born in Malone place on the Lisburn road in 1914. "Gordon getty armstrong"
Just putting up the link to the birth. Gordon Getty Armstrong born 14th September 1914.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1914/01397/1574591.pdf
Born at 29 Malone Place off Lisburn Road.
25 to 31. Rescue and Maternity Home - Miss Blackburn, matron
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1912.htm
I have no other knowledge than they lived in 50 my ladys road Belfast (where my mum grew up-although she was born in cork).
Lennon Wylie for 1918.
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1918_b.htm
50. Armstrong, Wm., builder
KG
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Looks like Gordon was buried with these folk at Dundonald Cemetery:
https://dof.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx?GraveSection=B1&GraveNumber=573&CemeteryName=Dundonald%20Cemetery
Regarding Elizabeth Armstrong in the above grave, who died on 29 June 1957, a death notice in the Belfast Telegraph of that date described her as 'wife of the late William Armstrong, 50 My Lady's Road, Belfast'.
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In Memoriam notice shows William Armstrong died 26th November 1930. Wife Elizabeth also remembering her son, Tom, died September 1930 and interred Paradise Valley, USA and Robbie died 23rd Feb (year hard to make out).
Death notice has that William was to be buried in family burying ground at First Broughshane.
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The Northern Whig of 27 November 1930 had a death notice for William Armstrong of 50 My Lady's Road who died the previous day, he was described as the 'husband of Elizabeth Armstrong' and burial was in 'the Family Burying-ground, First Broughshane'.
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Snap, gaffy, was just editing my post to say same, didn't get usual message saying someone else had just posted ;D.
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I'll pull out for a while, there's something I need to do anyway, but I wondered about this in light of the Broughshane connection..?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Broughshane/Knockboy/119457/
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Would certainly fit with the Tom and Robbie deaths I posted earlier too, and Stone Mason could at times, I suppose, be considered a builder.
And Maggie nearby http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Broughshane/Knockboy/119456/ ?
and possibly her sister, Mary?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballymena_Town/Broughshane_Road/116408/
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Possible for 1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Glenravel/Rathkenny/928524/, which also has a daughter, Maggie, albeit the William, head, although born Scotland, is noted as a farmer.
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Margaret/Maggie's birth ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/2a541b8804382
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Parent's marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/e1a5f12173731
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Wow these are fantastic replies. I am very grateful thankyou very much.
The death of the brother I think I had been told (although was told canada- he was a lumberjack and died in an accident).
Margaret (my grandad)Gordon Getty's mum also left to what I was told 'canada' but may indeed be USA with her brother.
The news of William and Elizabeth is very helpfyl- thankyou. From what I know they had 8 children. Also interesting to know William was Scottish. My auntie was named Elizabeth, evidently after her grandma Armstrong.
I will now look at the burial ground.
Honestly thankyou so much! Keep the replies coming, I've been at a wall for years.
KPossible for 1901 http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Glenravel/Rathkenny/928524/, whch also has daughter, Maggie, albeit the William, head, although born Scotland, is noted as a farmer.
This may indeed be Maggie as on grandads birth at Malone place she is listed as a servant.
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Amazing!! I think that is definitely the marriage cert as even my sister called her "nanny ward".... As we can see a maiden name.
I wonder what else can be found... Perhaps births if their other children. Is their any proof of William and Lizzie's births? You are such whizzes at finding these I have been in a flaff for years!
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Would certainly fit with the Tom and Robbie deaths I posted earlier too, and Stone Mason could at times, I suppose, be considered a builder.
And Maggie nearby http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Broughshane/Knockboy/119456/ ?
Forgive me being slow or posting too many replies... I cannot see any mention of Tom and Robbie deaths?
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As mentioned in my reply #3.....Thomas Armstrong burial at Paradise Valley?
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/54852484/thomas-armstrong
and his birth, albeit a year difference (though correct year on stone):
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/2a541b8804382
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... Perhaps births if their other children.
Robert born 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02054/1785697.pdf
Thomas, Lizzie and Annie from 1901 to 1905
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qco/
KG
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Thankyou for clearing this. It seems they went to America then not Canada.
That is indeed Thomas Armstrong my grandads uncle who must have died in a logging accident. It was mentioned Maggie returned to Ireland when she was older, I cannot see if she marrie for had any other children apart from Gordon.
Again I am so grateful for your replies, apologies for so many questions!
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Again I am so grateful for your replies, apologies for so many questions!
No need to apologise, both the site and the members, thrive on questions ;D.
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Thanks!!!
Could you tell me how to find out more about William Armstrong?
And Lizzie, I see she is from Kildare.
All the best
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The Canada link:
. moved to Alberta, Canada. She met and married Thomas Armstrong in 1922. After marriage, she and her husband returned to live in Bonners
as per Tom/Thomas' wife's entry at:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/16688415/gladys-orpha-dunn
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William named his father as William also, so may be worth checking this family group, who were at Knockboy too:
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Broughshane/Knockboy/928243/
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Yes I have also just submitted the info you have helped me find for Thomas onto the lady who runs the memorial. At least there will be information on his parents and birthplace now. :)
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His wife's obit:
http://boundary.idgenweb.org/obituaries/post/dunn-gladys-orphina-1903-2006
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Many thanks!! I was just reading it amazing she lived to 103!
Could you direct me to more info on Lizzie Armstrong born ward I think it said kildare? Am curious where she was from as she married Scotsman William... I wonder how to find where he came from as it said he was born in Scotland ;))
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He could have been born there but to Irish parents or perhaps Irish dad/Scottish mum. As said, might be worth looking a bit more into the Armstrong group at Knockboy in 1901.
The wife seems quite a bit younger than William, the husband, and the children are young, so potentially, if your William's dad, it was a second marriage.
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Oh yes that may be, I shall look. It seems Sarah Armstrong may have a passed away quite young.... I shall look into it.
Could you please tell me the best way to find Lizzie wards parents? Her father is listed as Joseph ward on her marriage cert but a line through his occupation.
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Ignore my last entry. The William in that group shows as not married. The Sarah must have been wife of one of the others. Have checked original, and she looks to have been James' wife.
Still, the group as a whole may yet connect somewhere to your William.
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Yes perhaps to one of the other brothers at the top of the list .....
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The Northern Whig of 27 November 1930 had a death notice for William Armstrong of 50 My Lady's Road who died the previous day, he was described as the 'husband of Elizabeth Armstrong' and burial was in 'the Family Burying-ground, First Broughshane'.
Please could you give me the link?
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I'll pull out for a while, there's something I need to do anyway, but I wondered about this in light of the Broughshane connection..?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Broughshane/Knockboy/119457/
Confirmed this is them. My grandads grandparents. I wonder when they moved to 50 my lady's road then?
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**actually I may be confused as j can't see Margaret on there
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**actually I may be confused as j can't see Margaret on there
See reply #7 for the possibility
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I wonder when they moved to 50 my lady's road then?
Between 1912 and 1918.
My Lady's Road
Ravenhill Road to Woodstock Road
50. Steele, Fras., R.I.C.
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1912_b.htm
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Ah yes thankyou... 3 years later Margaret had my grandad at Malone place. As she named him Gordon Getty we always assumed Getty may have been the name of a soldier. But (and I mean no offence) I see the household is a single young man... I wonder who guy Wilson is?? I know it's a tangent.....
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I wonder when they moved to 50 my lady's road then?
Super! ;D
Between 1912 and 1918.
My Lady's Road
Ravenhill Road to Woodstock Road
50. Steele, Fras., R.I.C.
https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/mcomplete1912_b.htm
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It's an interesting date as my grandfather (Margaret's son) was born in 1918.... I wonder if they moved due to this supposed "shame". I don't know when my Lizzie brought him home though as from Malone place he went into a children's home.
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Unfortunately, Valuation Revision Books 1915-1930 don't record any change from Fras. Steele at number 50 My Lady's Road, so no help there.
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It's an interesting date as my grandfather (Margaret's son) was born in 1918.... I wonder if they moved due to this supposed "shame". I don't know when my Lizzie brought him home though as from Malone place he went into a children's home.
Think you meant 1914.
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Potential red herring alert, but interestingly, there was a Gordon Getty in Ballymena at 1911 (as far as census returns, no others of that name combination in 1911 anywhere in Ireland):
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qcq/
I believe his full name was James Gordon Getty, albeit he was known as Gordon.
Huge coincidence, or...?
Bearing in mind Maggie's dad was at times noted as a stonemason or builder, this Getty chap was an Architect/surveyor, so feasible they may have crossed paths.
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It's an interesting date as my grandfather (Margaret's son) was born in 1918.... I wonder if they moved due to this supposed "shame". I don't know when my Lizzie brought him home though as from Malone place he went into a children's home.
Think you meant 1914.
Yes I did ... Oops!
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Potential red herring alert, but interestingly, there was a Gordon Getty in Ballymena at 1911 (as far as census returns, no others of that name combination in 1911 anywhere in Ireland):
This is potentially VERY interesting! Have just also found out that the house she was serving in broughshane was I think Guy Livingstone Wilson-the horticulturalist.... 🤔
However this Gordon Getty is deffo worth a look!!!!!
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qcq/
I believe his full name was James Gordon Getty, albeit he was known as Gordon.
Huge coincidence, or...?
Bearing in mind Maggie's dad was at times noted as a stonemason or builder, this Getty chap was an Architect/surveyor, so feasible they may have crossed paths.
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There are about 20 Armstrong gravestones in Broughshane 1st Presbyterian graveyard. I don’t see one to William and his wife Lizzie. However when he married his townland was Pollee and there are 4 graves which mention Armstrong & Pollee:
Armstrong in memory of William Armstrong, Pollee, died July 8 1901 his wife Nancy died April 17 1927 their daughters Agnes died Sep 1 1943 Sarah died Jan 15 1949 Mary died Feb 10 1953 Catherine died June 1 1953 and their son Samuel died July 7 1955
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Broughshane/Pallee/928259/
Erected in memory of John Armstrong late of Pollee who depd this life 21st Feb 1825 aged 59 years Also his grandson Andrew who departed this life on the 1st of October 1834, aged 9 years Also his wife Sarah who died on the 1st of December 1841 aged 74 years
Erected by James Armstrong of Pollee, to the memory of his beloved father John who departed this life on the 5th August 1849 aged 64 years Also the above named James Armstrong who died 13th January 1910 Also his wife Margaret who died 13th January 1910
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Broughshane/Pallee/928273/
Erected by James Armstrong of Pollee to the memory of his beloved mother Jenny Ann who departed this life on the 14th June 1849 aged 62 years Also his son William died on Monday 20th January 1908 aged 40 years
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Hi there,
I don't think that's then as Williams wife was called Elizabeth .... Nee ward born in Kildare.
Check above posts... I believe those are will and Lizzie.
Appreciate your help!!!👍
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Kk7, if you read Elwyn's post again very carefully, you will see that he has said that although there is no obvious mention of your Willam's death on the headstones at First Broughshane, there are headstones belonging to families from Pollee/Pallee townland.
So, given the chap who seems to be 'your' William lived at Pollee/Pallee at time of his marriage to Lizzie, it is very possible he was related to other Armstrongs living there. In particular, as he listed his father as a William, the William and Nancy in the 1901 census, could potentially have been his parents, or even cousins of his father.
The other family groups mentioned by Elwyn are also worth checking in more detail, as well as those at Knockboy townland, as there could be links within either/both to 'your' William too (eg cousins).
If you haven't already done so, it would be a good idea to read through the whole thread again from the start, extract the various finds and suggestions, then organise these into manageable chunks to enable you to research each part more fully and effectively, thus hopefully avoiding further confusion.
You have had a lot of finds/suggestions/info given to you in a very short time today, and admit that this has previously been a brick wall for some while. It can therefore be very tempting to want to check everything all in one go, but don't rush things now. Deep breath and work through each find and suggestion step by step, attempting to either further prove or disprove as you go along.
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Ahhh yes, I do apologise for a quick reply (between putting children in bed and retrieving a naughty cat from the garden) I don't think I gave enough thought. Now I have peace I shall investigate further.... This is unfolding a lot and it's very interesting..
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There are about 20 Armstrong gravestones in Broughshane 1st Presbyterian graveyard. I don’t see one to William and his wife Lizzie. However when he married his townland was Pollee and there are 4 graves which mention Armstrong & Pollee:
Armstrong in memory of William Armstrong, Pollee, died July 8 1901 his wife Nancy died April 17 1927 their daughters Agnes died Sep 1 1943 Sarah died Jan 15 1949 Mary died Feb 10 1953 Catherine died June 1 1953 and their son Samuel died July 7 1955
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Broughshane/Pallee/928259/
Erected in memory of John Armstrong late of Pollee who depd this life 21st Feb 1825 aged 59 years Also his grandson Andrew who departed this life on the 1st of October 1834, aged 9 years Also his wife Sarah who died on the 1st of December 1841 aged 74 years
Erected by James Armstrong of Pollee, to the memory of his beloved father John who departed this life on the 5th August 1849 aged 64 years Also the above named James Armstrong who died 13th January 1910 Also his wife Margaret who died 13th January 1910
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Broughshane/Pallee/928273/
Erected by James Armstrong of Pollee to the memory of his beloved mother Jenny Ann who departed this life on the 14th June 1849 aged 62 years Also his son William died on Monday 20th January 1908 aged 40 years
Please could you tell me how I could find the graves? Many thanks for the census, now having the time I can indeed see that these may be Williams family..
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Please could you tell me how I could find the graves? Many thanks for the census, now having the time I can indeed see that these may be Williams family..
I assume you are asking how to find the transcriptions? (The graves themselves should be in the graveyard in Main Street Broughshane, unless someone has been up to no good). The transcriptions are on the Braid graveyard site:
http://www.thebraid.com/genealogy.aspx
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;D yes indeed I am. Thankyou for the link.
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And in case you are unfamiliar with the area:
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/skerry/pollee/
as well as nearby, albeit not adjoining
https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/antrim-lower/knockboy/
the latter being immediately behind First Broughshane.
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Many thanks! Am familiar having spent many many holidays and family visits in ni ;) however much more familiar with Belfast / ballynahinch and Newry than above
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As William is listed as born in Scotland in the above census.... Are there any records that I could seek out if Scots entering Ireland. I estimate William was born approx 1867 as is 44 in the 1911 census.
I have tried to look for Elizabeth's birth in Kildare 1867 also as they are the same age to father Joseph ward.... Invisible!!!
P.s @scotsmum your Gordon Getty theory is very intriguing he seems also to have disappeared!
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No there are no passenger records for travel from Ireland to Scotland. It was then (and still is) a short domestic journey and records have never been kept for that.
William & Nancy were married in Ireland on 5th December 1865. They were back in Ireland on 3rd April 1870 when their daughter Mary (Minnie) was born at Pollee. So William has to have been born 1866 – 1869. There are 41 William Armstrong birth on Scotlandspeople for those 4 years. If you gambled and went just for 1867 & 1868 there’s 23. So if you have about £30 to spare you could just work your way through them to see if you can find the right birth.
Normally when people went from Ireland to Scotland it was typically for labouring work, ship building or coal mining, all of which were in the Forth-Clyde belt or Ayrshire. So you can often exclude families in places like Galashiels and Berwick (which appear in the 23). But with William coming from a farming background and returning to farming maybe not.
No point looking for the family in any Scottish census as they weren’t there long enough.
I looked at births in Kildare 1864 to 1870 but did not seen any Eliza or any un-named females whose father was Joseph. So can’t assist with her origins either. Sorry.
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Do be aware when reviewing all our suggetions, that the Armstrong name was fairly common in the area. For instance, in neighbouring Elginny (and variations) townland in 1858, there was another William Armstrong who married a Nancy Graham/s. She lived in Pollee.
Also, remember that, given the chap who is potentially 'your' William twice stated he was born in Scotland, his being in Ireland and apparently having at times lived in and had some sort of association with the Broughshane area (an area with strong links to Scotland), could have been for any number of reasons, not necessarily that he had a parent/s who was/were from or lived there.
Have you gone down, or considered going down, the DNA route at all?
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Just a thought on Elizabeth/Lizzie and the County Kildare link.
It was not uncommon for children to be born in one place and live later in another or several other places. If they moved from their birth area whilst very young, they could have grown up genuinely believing an area they merely lived in for a time was where they were born, and so entered this, as adults, in documents. Kildare, for example, had a large military training camp, so men/families often spent time there/in the area from elsewhere then moved on.
Also re Elizabeth/Lizzie, it was more usual in timescale for marriages to take place in the bride's parish/area. She and William, however, married in the area he was living (she giving Whiteabbey https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/belfast-lower/carnmoney/whiteabbey/ ? as her address at time of marriage). Did she ever have any links to the Broughshane area as well?
It is also noticeable that she did not give an occupation for Patrick correction, Joseph, her father. Was he her father, or a name to hide that her mother was a Ward and unmarried? If her father, was he even still alive or had he died whilst she was young and she never knew his occupation?
In the 1901 census, there are no other obvious Ward entries in County Antrim with a birthplace of County Kildare. There are about (including Lizzie), 15 married females, aged 34 +/- 5 yrs living in County Antrim but with birthplace of County Kildare - not too big a number to perhaps check through their marriages to see if any were Ward to their maiden name with a father Joseph.
Lots to ponder on.
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Something to check further in case of any extended family link:
Year before Lizzie's approx 1867 birth. A couple in Naas and Carragh, Kildare, the father Patrick, a stonemason, child Mary:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/014d278131025
Mary and some potential siblings of her, seem to later end up in Massachusetts.
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No there are no passenger records for travel from Ireland to Scotland. It was then (and still is) a short domestic journey and records have never been kept for that.
William & Nancy were married in Ireland on 5th December 1865. They were back in Ireland on 3rd April 1870 when their daughter Mary (Minnie) was born at Pollee. So William has to have been born 1866 – 1869. There are 41 William Armstrong birth on Scotlandspeople for those 4 years. If you gambled and went just for 1867 & 1868 there’s 23. So if you have about £30 to spare you could just work your way through them to see if you can find the right birth.
Normally when people went from Ireland to Scotland it was typically for labouring work, ship building or coal mining, all of which were in the Forth-Clyde belt or Ayrshire. So you can often exclude families in places like Galashiels and Berwick (which appear in the 23). But with William coming from a farming background and returning to farming maybe not.
No point looking for the family in any Scottish census as they weren’t there long enough.
I looked at births in Kildare 1864 to 1870 but did not seen any Eliza or any un-named females whose father was Joseph. So can’t assist with her origins either. Sorry.
No please don't apologise this is indeed a wealth of info. I also looked at Kildare and estimated that Lizzie was born around 1867 given the census age- I can't find a thing!
I understand that farming-farning is not as distinct and as scotsmum said he may or may not have been born in Scotland as we know in history things carry an artistic license. I'm the only child born in Ireland everyone else is in ni or the Republic and we still all thought our granny was born Kathleen Philomena and used Catherine when she moved to Belfast as it was more religiously neutral .... However that seems to not be the case her both records her as Catherine! Even my mum thought this.. however it is still all very interesting!!
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I also cannot find Joseph ward either so I may indeed have reached a dead end.... But I am wondering if there may indeed be embellishments die to religious differences (wouldn't be the first 🤣).... As I'm sure Kildare would have been majority Catholic in comparison to the my lady's road area of Belfast.
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Do be aware when reviewing all our suggetions, that the Armstrong name was fairly common in the area. For instance, in neighbouring Elginny (and variations) townland in 1858, there was another William Armstrong who married a Nancy Graham/s. She lived in Pollee.
Also, remember that, given the chap who is potentially 'your' William twice stated he was born in Scotland, his being in Ireland and apparently having at times lived in and had some sort of association with the Broughshane area (an area with strong links to Scotland), could have been for any number of reasons, not necessarily that he had a parent/s who was/were from or lived there.
Have you gone down, or considered going down, the DNA route at all?
Definitely considered it especially due to the unknown father of Gordon Getty. However am unsure which companies are most reputable.
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There is indeed lots to ponder on indeed!!! I noticed that both entries where Lizzie has said her father is either Joseph he has no occupation.
I cannot see her naming her father Patrick with no entry? Apologies if I am being slow. Indeed you are right regarding military. As Gordon Getty was my grandfather. He had 3 children with my grandmother 1. Gordon in England where Catherine was a servant and he was a gamekeeper. 2. In northern Ireland 1940 Liz and 3. Irene (my mum) born in Catherine's family hometown of buttevant as he had returned from Dunkirk to recover.... So we can see siblings with 3 birth places! Ahhhhh this is what makes it all confusing.
I am now wondering if there is a record for a Patrick / Joseph ward as a soldier.... If I could just find out Lizzie mum's name it would make it much easier!🤣
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Something to check further in case of any link:
Year before Lizzie's approx 1867 birth. A couple in Naas and Carragh, Kildare, the father Patrick, a stonemason, child Mary:
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/014d278131025
Albeit Mary and some potential siblings of her, seem to later end up in Massachusetts.
You know I am wondering if joseoh could have been called Joseph Patrick or Patrick Joseph.... As I'm having the same problem with the brother of my great grandfather in cork (known as paddy ) but only seeming to appear as Daniel..... :o
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https://i.postimg.cc/jdWJ1Rh4/Armstrong-death.png
William definitely died in 1930.
Roughly born 1867.
I think this article was mentioned above however good to see it. I have also seen the that Gordon Getty, his wife Catherine (my grandparents) Gordon's auntie Sarah also died in 1930 and Lizzie Armstrong are all buried in dundonald cemetery.
I wonder why they are not in 1st broughshane....
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I meant Joseph in reference to Lizzie's father, typed Patrick in error (working on too many things at same time), have corrected now. The Patrick Ward I then posted about , was in case he related in anyway to Joseph, given they were both (supposedly in Joseph's case), fathering a child/children in same timescale, in same County.
ps I'm scot(no 's' in the middle)mum ;)
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It can be good posting 'brickwalls' in as many places as possible in hope of getting a breakthrough. As some folks use Rootschat as well as Belfast Forum, whilst others don't, here is a link to the ongoing Belfast Forum post about the Armstrongs, to hopefully avoid Rootschat ( and vice-versa ) members giving their time to, but inadvertently duplicating, some research efforts and perhaps, hopefully, enhance our joint efforts (and save some time), in assisting Kk7:
http://www.belfastforum.co.uk/index.php?topic=81382.msg2238455#msg2238455
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Apologies I think spell check is working wonders on me!! Scotmum.... :)
No worries at all .. I am using Belfast forum too and the combination of the two is great!!
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May I just say. Thankyou so much. Have now had the time to sit down /read/print and have A LOTTTTT to go through and process investigate. Please keep any info coming and I thank you all again.
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Just had a breakthrough thanks to a wonderful help.
Elizabeth Armstrong Kildare. Birth registered as 1866 it is her with father Joseph ward and mother Mary Byrne.
She married William Armstrong 1892.
I believe she was born into a Catholic family.
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I have found a birth of an Elizabeth ward to a Joseph ward and Margaret ward. In 1866. Could this be Lizzie Armstrong. I just can't see nor match why on one census it says she was born in Kildare....
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Definitely a brick wall here as in the 1901 census Lizzie is still living with her parents Joseph and Margaret ward aged 35. But my Lizzie was married in 1892
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Hello. My 2xgreat-grandfather, Robert Armstrong (1848-1926), was a stonemason and was connected to the Armstrong's of Pollee/Broughshane (although I'm not sure how they are all connected). His father, also Robert, was also a mason. I haven't found stonemason to be a common profession amongst the Armstrongs in that area, so your William is interesting. I will delve into this a bit more to see if I can make any connections. However, I believe my Robert to have been born in Ireland.
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Hello. My 2xgreat-grandfather, Robert Armstrong (1848-1926), was a stonemason and was connected to the Armstrong's of Pollee/Broughshane (although I'm not sure how they are all connected). His father, also Robert, was also a mason. I haven't found stonemason to be a common profession amongst the Armstrongs in that area, so your William is interesting. I will delve into this a bit more to see if I can make any connections. However, I believe my Robert to have been born in Ireland.
Yes please do and let me know. I have seen my great X2 grandfather William armstrongs profession in the census as bithe stonemason/farmer interchangeably. This would help me greatly and I hope you too :D
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I haven't been able to piece together the Armstrong connection in Pollee, but there is quite a bit on ancestry about Margaret in Canada. There is a family tree showing her family. She married a Dan Carson (looks like in England) and they went to the US and then Canada. Thomas Armstrong's Canadian immigration record is on Ancestry and he went out to his sister (Mrs. D. Carson) in 1920. She is listed on the 1920 US census in Minnesota and the 1921 census for Warspite, Canada as Peggy Carson. If you don't have ancestry, let me know and I can give you more details.
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Hi I have ancestry have a bit more info as well if you'd like to see my tree send me a pm and I can share with you.
Thomas died from TB in Canada sadly I think he was 30. We were always told it was a logging accident.