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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Dumfriesdelving on Thursday 04 March 21 11:27 GMT (UK)
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Does anyone know of Wardleys who had a child/relative/ward at boarding school in Hackness, Yorkshire, run by Robert Turnbull, and visited Hackness, nr Scarborough from Tasmania?
In 1877 Robert (husband of Mary Watson of Scalby) writes to inform his nieces of his Golden Wedding and mentions that he has had no reply (to his gift of £10) from Mrs Wardley in Australia, who wants to return to England. His nephew Robert Hope had emigrated to Melbourne c 1863 but had died a few years later.
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Very difficult to find anything with such scant information but here's a couple of snippets.
The marriage of Robert TURNBULL to Mary WATSON at Scalby is listed as being in 1837, meaning that a Golden Wedding would be celebrated in 1887.
Robert Turnbull of Hackness is listed in UK census entries as being a 'land agent' (plus 'farmer' in 1881) with no mention of running a school. In 1861 his daughter Anne's occupation is 'governess' but by 1871 her occupation isn't listed. In 1881 the property next to his is named as a 'girls' school' and the school mistress is one Mary Ann MURRAY with no others listed at the same address so it would seem there were no boarders.
There is a slight Tasmanian connection in 1851 where a Henry John REID, 18, born Van Diemans Land, is an 'ag pupil' in the household of Robert Turnbull. Tasmanian information for this Henry REID shows his parents as Henry and Maria Susanna Reid (unfortunately no previous surname for the mother, and no indication of how/when they arrived in Tasmania). Henry John REID stays in England and I didn't see any WARDLEY connection to him. But it's clutching at straws here especially as Henry REID obviously left Tasmania many years before Richard mentioned Mrs Wardley.
The implication in the correspondence is that Mrs Wardley had gone to Australia from England. Again - too may of that name to be sure.
Perhaps the names of the nieces to whom he wrote may help.
There are too many men named Robert HOPE to be able to narrow down any connection there - names of his parents and death date may provide some clues, but again any link would be difficult to find.
Judith
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Many thanks for looking! I stated the wrong decade for the Golden Wedding. :o A person whose Turnbull tree has resisted 'unlocking' said she saw the pupil entry in the 1851 census and one from Van D's Land in the Hackness (church) visitors' book (parent of pupil?) but had had no success following up.
Ancestry bombarded me with 'marriage' hints for Robert Hope, all wrong, but I did wonder who his uncle Robert T would want to send £10 to. I'm going to look for links with Robert Hope's sister, Eliz. Turnbull (Hope) Muir, since he had lived with her in Liverpool in 1861.
I wonder if any of Robert Turnbull's 250 donated 'Pilgrim's progress' books are still extant in Scalby?!
Thank you again.
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So was this letter to the nieces in 1887 or 1877?
Can you give Robert Hope's parentage please? Aussie death and marriage registrations include the parents' names and spouse name and marriage details which can help immensely in sifting out the correct person. (Much more useful than UK ones!!) Of course, the informants do not always know those details but if they do include them............... :)
I can't distinguish him on any shipping lists so far but there's others of the same name.
Judith
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Elizabeth Turnbull HOPE born 1834 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland
Robert HOPE born 1837 Annan, Dumfries, Scotland
mother Anne TURNBULL
father James HOPE
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also
William 1835
Ann 1839
Catharine 1841
Mary Jane 1842
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The letter was 1887: I tried to attach it but 'too big'
Robert Hope: father James Hope (b Gretna 1801-d.Knaresborough 1846)
mother Ann Turnbull (b. Knaresborough 1806, d.1844)
Robert was born in Annan, 1837,orphaned by 1846,brought up in Knaresborough.
He was in Liverpool in 1861, living with siblings Elizabeth Turnbull (Hope) Muir + Emma Hope but seems to have emigrated before his sister Mary Jane's 1864 marriage, also in Liverpool.
Joseph Muir was a draper, as was Robert. Robert's grandparents William Turnbull and Mary Andrews (Lund) were in the flax/linen trade. Mary lived until c1863.
I wonder why Uncle Robert Turnbull thought it 'inadvisable' for Mrs Wardley to return to England?
Still locked out of the Tree!!!
Thanks,
Elizabeth
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Thank you.
Have amended Mrs W to '1880s'.
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Hope attachment comes through.
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1865 death Victoria Australia, Robert HOPE, 26y, born Scotland
Vic reg 1819/1865
Place of death (blank)
parents unknown
M
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I think it was a common or paupers' grave. His family (siblings/uncle) can't have known or surely someone would have paid for a grave. Grandmother, 3 sisters and uncle all lived to 'good' ages.
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Could this unidentified drowning be him?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article197035682
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Excellent finds, Matthew. The drowning inquest looks a good possibility.
TROVE has an account of the actual drowning on 4 Jan
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/87929271
As to notifying his family in UK there was no overseas telegraph service until much later so the only way they could be told would be by sea post.
Just another question, Elizabeth - you have mentioned 'Mrs Wardley' as being in Tasmania but the letter from RT just says 'Australia" so do you have some further information re her whereabouts?
Judith
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Very interesting articles, well done and thank you to both! A complete surprise and a sad end, if that is the case .4'6" is very short; I did hear that Turnbulls (he was 50%) were tall!
He said he was working at an outfitter's and was staying at Rose of Melbourne hotel in Young St,when he wrote to his sister in August 1864. The landlady's name could be Falkington or similar and the area of Melbourne Telford, but it's too hard to decipher and the attachments keep being rejected..
No, I don't have any more information about Mrs W. It's a Turnbull relative with a (still) locked tree who has tried to investigate.
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Another account of the inquest gives his height as 5ft 6in which seems more likely than the other report. There was a suggestion that the drowned man could have been a suspect being sought for a murder but that suggestion was proved wrong.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/245505743
Judith
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I'm glad he seems not to have been a murderer! The 5'6" sounds a more likely height. From tweeds to skinny dipping implies that he was not quite acclimatised....
Fascinating finds, anyway. I'm very grateful.
I did notice reference to 'Uncle Jardine' in his letter. An old photo came up with that unfamiliar name, linked to Liverpool and New Brunswick (timber dealer/ship owner). Will check for Wardleys.
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Comfortable Bedrooms, for single gentlemen. Rose of Melbourne Inn, Young-street, Fitzroy.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6483936
Licensing Bench 1863
Rose of Melbourne Inn, Young street, to Jonathon Falkington, from Thomas Evans.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155020244
M
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Astonishing to see what you have found!☺ Thank you so much.
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Couldn't figure out how we got to the boarding house quote from Matthew but this comment on an on-line tree gives the answer!
1864 - Robert wrote to Mary Jane Hope (Sister) on 26th August referring to her planned marriage that year, and stating that he worked at an outfitter's in Collins Street. His address was c/o Melbourne Hotel, Young Street.
Still no help with Mrs Wardley - and the mention of her is nearly 20 tears after Robert's death. It sounds to me as though she is not a relative as she's referred to as MRS Wardley.
Judith
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Not sure if this is relevant?
(right hand column top) https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174582600
POSTAL NOTICE. - The Post Office authorities are desirous of obtaining the present address of Mrs George Wardley or family, one time resident in Hobart.
Also here under Missing Friends (notice at the bottom of page)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13266485
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Possibility-
In 1854 a child was born in Collingwood Melb Vic to a couple George WARDLEY and Jane nee HEDLEY.
Named Mary Emma
Two more followed in in 1857 Dorothy Ann at New Norfolk and in 1860 George Frederick, at Hobart, Tasmania.
Sue
ADDING- I missed mentioning another child, Alice Jane at Hobart in 1863
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Not sure if this is relevant?
(right hand column top) https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/174582600
POSTAL NOTICE. - The Post Office authorities are desirous of obtaining the present address of Mrs George Wardley or family, one time resident in Hobart.
Also here under Missing Friends (notice at the bottom of page)
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/13266485
Possible death of the above Mrs Wardley 1901 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/10563750
Vic Death 10933/1901 WARDLEY Jane; age 73; Father - Hedley; Melb W
This line seem to be George Wardley and Jane HEDLEY, one daughter Mary Emma/Anne? arrives with parents 1854; other children shown on Tasmania search - Dorothy Ann 1857 (New Norfolk); George Frederick 1860 (Hobart); Alice Jane 1863 (Hobart); https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qe3/
Possible arrival 1854 https://stors.tas.gov.au/CB7-13-1-1$init=CB7-13-1-1p166
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qe2/
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Jane WARDLEY, wife of George and the mother of the children listed by Sue is buried in the Melbourne General Cemetery.
Jane Wardley
BIRTH 1828
DEATH 29 Jul 1901 (aged 72–73)
BURIAL Melbourne General Cemetery
Her MI is quoted in the Victoria, Australia, Cemetery Records and Headstone Transcriptions, 1844-1997- Jane WARDLEY died 29 Jul 1901 age 72 yrs after 17 years suffering erected by her children.
Trove has a number of death notices, all similar to this in The Age
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/190040519
WARDLEY.— On the 29th July, at the residence of her daughter, 315 Victoria-street, West Melbourne, Jane Wardley (beloved mother of G. F. and D. Wardley, Mrs. James Berwick and Mrs. C. Yeoman) aged 72 years.
Judith
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The daughter Alice married in 1885 to Charles Yeoman # 1106
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/150017016
George Frederick married in 1899. Father Geo is deceased.
This was George’s second marriage and both took place in Victoria
First marriage to Emma Annie UNDERWOOD 1890# 7120
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/221147740
Sue
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Was the letter written in 1887?
Have I got that right?
Why would it be inadvisable for her to return to England?
17 years seems a long time to be "suffering" and I wonder if it was to do with a marital problem occurring 17 years before her death. A couple of years before the letter and the gift of 10 pounds.
Sue
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Possibility-
In 1854 a child was born in Collingwood Melb Vic to a couple George WARDLEY and Jane nee HEDLEY.
Named Mary Emma
Two more followed in in 1857 Dorothy Ann at New Norfolk and in 1860 George Frederick, at Hobart, Tasmania.
Sue
ADDING- I missed mentioning another child, Alice Jane at Hobart in 1863
Looks like George WARDLEY went to NZ. :( 31 Dec 1872. Launceston Examiner.
Sue
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Mmmmm...
Deserted the family. Tasmanian reports of crime 1869
Sue
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Yes, the tree is mine. I do feel sorry for Robert H. No wonder his last letter was kept, presumably by his sister, my gt-grandmother.
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Cup of Life, Judb and Sparrett, many thanks for all your findings: very interesting and intriguing.
I thought the 17 years' suffering sounded medical...(which would make a long sea voyage 'inadvisable'.) Wonder what happened to the £10? At least the Scalby school children had copies of Pilgrim's Progress!
The letter from Robert Turnbull to his niece (Robert Hope's sister) was 1887, before the Golden Wedding; I made a mistake typing the date.
Robert Hope's letter from Melbourne (to his sister) was August 1864.