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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: jann on Sunday 07 March 21 19:01 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
Per an online tree, Herbert Ward Syred was born @1808 in Norton, Surrey. I can't find him or Norton Surrey.
Any help appreciated. thanks, Jann
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Have you contacted the tree owner to see where they got the info from?
Have you found him on any census?
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His parents are shown as Thomas Syred and Mary Ayres who married 16/11/1802 Princes Risborough, Buckinghamshire. This couple having children baptised there from 1804 until 1818 and don't appear to have left in that time frame, nor did they have a son named Herbert!
As to Herbert Ward Syred - the only time I can see a mention of him is on a daughter Caroline's baptism in 1838 at Dorking, Surrey when he is plain Herbert (and mother Hannah). Her mother said to be Hannah Carpenter and looks like Caroline is with maternal grandparents in 1841. There is no marriage between a Hannah Carpenter and said Herbert either.
Would suggest this tree is somewhat up the pole (as sadly so many are).
Annette
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The 1838 baptism of Caroline also mentions that Herbert was a Soldier
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There's a marriage 21st February 1859 of a Caroline Syred to William Quinnell. Her father recorded as Herbert Syred occ "servant". Image on Anc*
John
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QUINNELL, WILLIAM JOHN SYRED
GRO Reference: 1859 D Quarter in EPSOM Volume 02A Page 17
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Norton may be a misreading of Merton, in bad handwriting. Alternatively, is it the pronunciation of Norbiton in local dialect. Both places are relatively close to Epsom & Dorking.
Michael.
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Thanks to all who responded. I've been researching Herbert Syred for 10+ years. Problem: he appears in no census, civil registration, ship's list etc. The only likely church record is a baptism in 1818 in Brandeston Suffolk. Mother: Sarah Syred. Other than that he appears only on his daughter's records. Sarah Syred and Hannah Carpenter Syred are not in the 1840 or 1850 census records but both appear in 1860. Hannah is a widow living with her father.
Yesterday I received information ,via family history (a note inside the cover of a book), that Herbert died at a military barracks in Ireland probably around 1850. While checking into that I discovered this totally "new" Herbert Ward Syred!
I welcome any suggestions. Jann
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Hi
There is a christening Dorking Surrey 17th Oct 1838
Caroline Hannah Syred
Parents Herbert and Hannah, Ranmores Common, Surrey.
Herbert is a soldier
In 1841 Ranmores Common Dorking there is a Caroline Syred aged 2 living with a James and Elizabeth Carpenter.
Could this be the daughter?
Cathy
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In 1851
Same address
Caroline Syred (transcibed Tyred on FindMyPast) aged 12 grandaughter of James and Elizabeth Carpenter.
In 1861 there is a Hannah Syred 48 widow living with father James Carpenter in Great Brookham, Surrey.
Cathy
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Hi Cath
Yes. Per the census records of 1841 and 1851 Caroline Hannah Syred was raised by her maternal grandparents.
Herbert Syred and his wife Hannah are not in either the census of 1841 or 1851
Hannah Syred appears in the 1861 census recorded as a widow living with her father.
Herbert Syred presumably died between 1851 and 1861 but there is no civil record of his death. Possibly he died while in the army in Ireland thus there is no civil record
Thanks, Jann
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well certainly no Herbert seems to be around and she appears to only have Caroline but she does use the name Syred right throught o her death
in 1881 she is with a Cousin Martha Coleman the Cricketers Beer House Dorking and in 1891 she is in
the Dorking Workhouse and she died in 1892 buried Dorking St Martin I think she was born 1812 in St John the Evangelist, Wotton, Parishes not in a Borough, England
it may have been that she met a soldier called Herbert Syred but never married and Caroline was the result!