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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: ValJJJ on Thursday 11 March 21 17:18 GMT (UK)
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I'm puzzled about a family's entry in the 1939 register.
I know women's surnames have been changed on marriage, but this is an odd one.
At the top of the page (attached), there is Ida Chatterton, married, and two children. Her husband Claude A Chatterton is on the previous page.
Chatterton is crossed out and replaced with Brierley for Ida and the two children (but not for the husband) and it looks like this change was dated 1946 judging from the ink colour of the annotations. However I cannot find Ida remarrying a Brierley, and it's odd that the children's names are changed. Then Ida Brierley is crossed out and replaced with Bannister.
Ida Hawthorne married Claude A Chatterton in 1934. He died in 1941.
Ida Brierley married Isaac D Bannister in 1972.
There is another Claude A Chatterton in the 1939 register, as born in 15 Jan 1883 and a widower. Presumably this is the person who married Sarah Brierley in 1915 (she died in 1919). Is Brierley a coincidence or a connection?
Look forward to finding out more if anyone can shed light on this.
Thanks.
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Were the kids births reregistered or amended in '46?
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Thanks for the question PaulineJ but I have no idea. And no idea how to find out either! Would they show up in freeBMD or the GRO? That would only be for births though presumably, not name changes.
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The GRO site wont cover 1946, but you can check freebmd
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The code NR230 beside the name denotes a change of surname, but it need not have been by marriage.
My mother in law left her husband in the 1960's and went to live with another man and adopted his surname (no Deed Poll involved). Her change of surname was noted on the register as occurring in the 1960's, but they didn't actually marry until the 1970's.
Any date shown beside the amendment is simply the date on which the amendment was made, not necessarily when it took place.
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According to this article NR230 was the code used for change of name other than by marriage
https://blog.dearmyrtle.com/2020/12/peculiar-codes-in-1939-register.html
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There is a birth for Claude A Chatterton in Nottingham in 1938 - mmn is Hawthorne.
There is a marriage in Nottingham in 1934 between Claude A C Chatterton and Ida Hawthorne.
There is a birth for Claude A C Brierley in Nottingham in 1913 mmn Brierley. Might his mother be Sarah Brierley ?
William
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Not that this helps marriage entry has two surnames next to Claude’s name :-\
Ida Hawthorne
Registration Quarter: Jan-Feb-Mar 1934
Spouse: Claude A Chatterton Or Brierley
Volume Number: 7b Page Number: 670
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Thanks all of you, particularly for the meaning of the code NR230.
Yes I also found the marriage for Hawthorne marrying Chatterton or Brierley - which adds to the confusion. Perhaps he was aka Brierley and at some point Ida decided to use that surname instead?
We shall never know!
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There is a birth for Claude A Chatterton in Nottingham in 1938 - mmn is Hawthorne.
There is a marriage in Nottingham in 1934 between Claude A C Chatterton and Ida Hawthorne.
There is a birth for Claude A C Brierley in Nottingham in 1913 mmn Brierley. Might his mother be Sarah Brierley ?
William
I saw the 1934 marriage Claude A Chatterton/Ida Hawthorne and the birth of their two children, one with the same name as his father, MMN Hawthorne, who are also shown on 1939 register.
I think you're right about the birth for Claude A C Brierley in 1913 being the same person as Claude A Chatterton born 1913, and would explain the two surnames for Ida Hawthorne's marriage. The GRO shows BRIERLEY, CLAUDE ALBERT CHATTERTON with no MMN given. Claude Albert Chatterton married Sarah Brierley in 1915, but in 1914 there's a GRO ref to a Chatterton birth with MMN Brierley, and also 1917, and 1918. Sarah died in 1919.
Claude was a miner in 1939 but died 1941 so perhaps it was easier to claim any pension or other benefits (if he died of a mining related illness or accident?) if he was known by the Brierley surname at work, or that name was on his birth certificate? So it could have just to make life simpler - possibly Ida just had their surnames corrected to match their father's?
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I think you're right about the birth for Claude A C Brierley in 1913 being the same person as
Claude A Chatterton born 1913, and would explain the two surnames for Ida Hawthorne's marriage.
The GRO shows BRIERLEY, CLAUDE ALBERT CHATTERTON with no MMN given.
Claude Albert Chatterton married Sarah Brierley in 1915, but in 1914 there's a GRO ref to a Chatterton birth with MMN Brierley, and also 1917, and 1918.
Sarah died in 1919.
For info.
CHATTERTON, WILLIAM GEORGE mmn BRIERLEY
1914 S Quarter in NOTTINGHAM Volume 07B Page 825
1942 death William George Chatterton
https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/2224945/WILLIAM%20GEORGE%20CHATTERTON/
Son of Claude Albert and Sarah Chatterton, of Radford, Nottinghamshire
Edit to add - there is a public tree on Anc*y no birth / marriage certificates gives CAC parents
Claude A Chatterton & Sarah Brierley, plus 3 siblings, there is a picture of Claude & Ida’s dau
if you have access here’s the link https://www.rootschat.com/links/01qec/
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Yes a really informative entry, if you look at the 1939 entry you are given a short history of the family in one document.
Claude A Chatteston, born 17 Jan. 1913, a coal miner (Hewer, i.e. he worked on the coal face) was living with his wife and children. Ida Chatteston, born 14 Aug. 1914 his wife, Iris C Chatteston, born 24 Aug 1934, daughter, Claude A Chatteston, born 2 Jan. 1938, at 43 Medway Street, Nottingham. At some time in the future the father Claude possibly died or his marriage failed and his wife Ida remarried, Mr Brierley (possibly Claude Brierley (mother's maiden name Derrick birth reg. Sep 1913, Nottingham, 7b, 740) but there are other possibilities) or took his name. The NHS were informed of the change of name on the 11 Jun 1946, as the children were both under 21 they adopted the new surname as well after their mother's marriage.
The daughter Iris C, married Mr Read in 1957 and the NHS were informed or registered her new name on 12 Dec 1957.
From this entry it is possible to quickly check for Claude, the father's death between 1939 & 1946, mother Ida's marriage in 1946, daughter Iris' marriage in 1957.
It is also not too much of a leap of faith to think that son Claude may have followed his father into the mining industry, and possibly married in the early to mid 1960s.
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks Ladyhawk for the extra info, and Guy Etchells for the family summary. There is a mistranscription though as it was Chatterton not Chatterston. Certainly the 1939 register is a huge resource.
Since the family name changed to Brierley in or before 1946 (the date of the annotation), then that changes the search details for the children's marriages - so now I've been able to see Iris C Brierley's marriage to Read, as you pointed out Guy. And find Claude A Brierley's marriage, and his death in 2006.
Searching for Claude A C Brierley (born 1913) also revealed that his burial record uses his full name as on his birth record i.e Chatterton Brierley.
So presumably Ida was putting the record straight once his birth name became apparent on his death.
Thanks everyone - a good puzzle, well solved!
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Ida Hawthorne married Claude A Chatterton in 1934. He died in 1941.
Claude Albert Chatterton BRIERLEY
Death 20 Jan 1941
Burial or Cremation Date: 23 Jan 1941
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Thanks Ladyhawk.
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Just in case you have not seen this- there are articles in the Nottinghamshire newspapers in August 1930 about a Claude Albert Chatterton being in front of Magistrates for stealing a bicycle from a co worker. He is said to be 17 years old and living in lodgings at 59 Dorset Street.
" Supt Rodgers said that Chatterton had a father alive and no mother and he was living in lodgings, paying 17s 6d a week. For some time he had worked at Lowes Nurseries, but since the occurrence, had been dismissed and had obtained work at Wollaton Colliery".
It is interesting to note the street where Claude Senior is living in 1939.
The Nottingham Evening Post 20 Jan 1841 also shows that his death was the result of a mining accident " Claude Chatterton 28, of 43, Medway Street, Radford...had an accident at another colliery on January 8th and died yesterday".
William
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Thanks Millmoor, I'd just been looking up 1941 newspapers and found the accident that eventually killed Claude Albert Chatterton Brierley.
I'd spotted that Claude Albert Chatterton snr, in his 80s, was in the 1939 register but didn't post on here that his son Bernard was with him (working at a cycle manufacturer's). Did you see that there was a Chatterton family next door too, but I haven't worked out the relationship - possibly William snr was Claude Albert's brother?
My main interest is Isaac Bannister, and then I became intrigued by all the name changes for his wife Ida. Fascinating reading.
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I'd spotted that Claude Albert Chatterton snr, in his 80s, was in the 1939 register but didn't post on here that his son Bernard was with him (working at a cycle manufacturer's).
Did you see that there was a Chatterton family next door too, but I haven't worked out the relationship - possibly William snr was Claude Albert's brother?
I think you are correct with Claude Albert & William being brothers
1891 c Piece: 1188 Folio: 166 Page: 21
James A Chatterton 28 Box cutter
Caroline Chatterton 29
Claud A Chatterton 8
Bernard A Chatterton 6
William Chatterton 4
1901c Piece: 3183 Folio: 16 Page Number: 23
Samuel Chatterton 59
Elizabeth Chatterton 69
James A Chatterton son 38 Mar
Claude Chatterton gd son 18 mule piecer
Bernard Chatterton gd son 16 out of work
William Chatterton gd son14 worker in bicycle shop
Marriage Jun 1882 Nottingham Volume: 7b Page: 349
Names on same page
James Albert Chatterton
Thomas Clover
Caroline Farnsworth
Martha Hall
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Thanks Ladyhawk.
Now is the time for me to stop going down the Chatterton rabbit hole! Have enough to keep me busy researching closer relatives. Although this was an entertaining diversion and I've learnt more about the 1939 register in the process.
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Having read your thread on the Chatterton, Brierley name change I feel though you have concluded it I must post on it.
Claude Albert Chatterton and his wife Sarah, nee Brierley had four sons Claude Albert born 1913, William George born 1914, John Henry born 1917 and Bernard born 1919. John Henry is not on the 1939 register with the rest of the Chatterton’s as he was in the army, the Sherwood Foresters who he had enlisted in in 1936. His wife Mary, nee Clarke is in the register, but I cannot make out where she was other than it is probably in married service quarters. Mary later returned to her native Guernsey where she and her eldest daughter lived throughout the German occupation. John Chatterton had met Mary in Guernsey whilst the Sherwood Foresters were garrisoned there in the 1930’s..
Claude died from the injuries he sustained in a roof collapse at Wollaton Colliery in 1941, William was killed at Tobruk in 1942. John was demobbed in 1948 and went to join Mary in Guernsey where he had three further children, a boy and two more girls the eldest of whom is my wife.
The reason for the name change was related to me by the family is that after the deaths of Claude and William the name Chatterton was regarded by them as unlucky, so it was decided to change their surname to Sarah’s maiden name of Brierley.
If that was the reason and I’ve no reason to doubt them, then it unfortunately it was not successful as John died tragically in an industrial accident when rescuing a co-worker in July 1951. Out of the four sons of Claude Albert Chatterton and his wife Sarah only Bernard survived living until 2002. Bernard who Sarah had died whilst giving birth too, Brierley it seems didn't bring them luck after all.
The story of the Chatterton, Brierley name change is one of a family’s reaction to tragedy.
Just to let you know that your thread was first found much to her great surprise by John Henry’s youngest daughter whilst researching the Chatterton’s. I hope this post clears your mystery up for you.