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Title: Matthews family
Post by: Shanematthews on Monday 15 March 21 23:14 GMT (UK)
Hi
Iím doing my matthews family tree and hoping someone can help, my great grandfather was Thomas matthews who was born around 1902 he married Maria or rea as she was known, his father I think was a walter matthews who was a horse dealer which is what it says his occupation was on Tomís and Maria marriage certificate, does anyone have any info on Tomís father walter or mother, brothers and sisters any help would be much appreciated
Shane
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: ev on Tuesday 16 March 21 09:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Shane , welcome to RC  :)

Do you know where Thomas was born/lived ?
When and where was his marriage to Maria ?


ev
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Shanematthews on Tuesday 16 March 21 09:38 GMT (UK)
Hi there
He was maybe born in Chatham
Kent but definitely lived in Dover for sometime then had scrap yard in east malling where he see out the rest of his life his father was walter matthews who was a horse dealer but have found info that walter could of been a William matthews and changed his name to walter not certain on this fact though
He married Maria/ria ransley in 1923 at age of 21/22 they had 5 boys that I no off walter my grandad, James who died young, John, Albert and Tom
Thanks
Shane
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 16 March 21 09:59 GMT (UK)
Do you know when and where Thomas died?

Where would he have been living in 1939?
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: KGarrad on Tuesday 16 March 21 10:06 GMT (UK)
There's a Thomas Steward Matthews born in Woolwich Registration District in 1900?

Or a Thomas William Matthews born in Maidstone Registration District in 1903?
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Neale1961 on Tuesday 16 March 21 10:08 GMT (UK)
Death for Thomas Matthews 15 May 1980
east Malling Kent. (age 78)
Probate Oct 1980
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: ev on Tuesday 16 March 21 10:13 GMT (UK)
Not much help on the 1980 death , born " ABOUT1902"


ev
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Shanematthews on Tuesday 16 March 21 10:17 GMT (UK)
Tom died 1980
East malling Kent
Not sure of where he was living in 1939 but have been told that he ran away from where he was and worked as a trapeze and there is a photo of him sitting on a big horse outside a circus tent is the only info I have been giving and that maybe he was bought up by an uncle called
Funham matthews but these are just stories I have been told
Any help would be much
Appreciated
Shane
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 16 March 21 10:20 GMT (UK)
Can you tell me how old Maria was when she married Thomas?
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 16 March 21 10:50 GMT (UK)
Looka like there were 6 boys - I will write their names as they were registered - ie - James was registered as Jimmy
Tom 1st born -
Walter
Jimmy
John
Frederick
Albert
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Tom born in Swindon - the other 5 in Dover - the boys were born over a 12 year period
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Might sound morbid - but the first 3 born of those  sons may have served in WW2....to make sure none died in the war - check them all out on https://www.cwgc.org/ ...and when the details come up - look for Son of Thomas and Maria ...  hopefully you won't find any ....good luck
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Shanematthews on Tuesday 16 March 21 14:41 GMT (UK)
Thanks for that is there any info on who Tomís parent were? Have no idea who the mother is but have the marriage certificate for Tom and Maria saying that Tomís father was walter matthews occupation horse dealer would love to find out more about his dad and especially his mother but just keep hitting a brick wall
Many thanks
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 16 March 21 14:48 GMT (UK)
How old was Maria on the marriage certificate and who was her father?
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Shanematthews on Tuesday 16 March 21 15:06 GMT (UK)
Hi
Maria was 21
Her father was James ransley
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 16 March 21 15:30 GMT (UK)
Maria seems to be hard to find on the 1911 census record.  I can't find any birth record for her around 1901.

I can find a Maria born in 1895

RANSLEY, MARIA       WHITINGTON 
GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in BRIGHTON  Volume 02B  Page 246

However the 1901 census shows this Maria's father to be George, Foreman in bakehouse.

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate and what occupation is given for her father James?  What address is given for James and Maria?
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: garstonite on Tuesday 16 March 21 16:38 GMT (UK)
Maria seems to be hard to find on the 1911 census record.  I can't find any birth record for her around 1901.

I can find a Maria born in 1895

RANSLEY, MARIA       WHITINGTON 
GRO Reference: 1895  S Quarter in BRIGHTON  Volume 02B  Page 246

However the 1901 census shows this Maria's father to be George, Foreman in bakehouse.

Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate and what occupation is given for her father James?  What address is given for James and Maria?
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well this is a bit of a turn up
my sister in law is a Whitington and her dad was born Brighton 1926 - George Ransley married Elizabeth Whitington 1887 in Brighton - ...possible connection to my sister in laws family - doesn't look like your Maria - but if it is ,let me know - I will delve further in to Elizabeth Whitingtons line - cheers
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Shanematthews on Tuesday 16 March 21 18:18 GMT (UK)
Thanks everyone but I have managed to trace Mariaís family back to 1700,s her father was John ransley and mother was patience hughes/ransley and even further back the famous smugglers the aldignton gang George ransley head of, born in ruckinge very interesting that was, but my main concentration is trying to find my matthews side but just keep hitting a brick wall, it has been said that my great grandfather had a showmanís guild card so could be some connection to fairground
Many thanks for all your help so far
Shane
Title: Re: Matthews family
Post by: Girl Guide on Tuesday 16 March 21 18:26 GMT (UK)
I don't know if you wish to try contacting the Showmen's Guild to see if they can point you in the direction of any member records.

https://showmensguild.co.uk/

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