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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: briann1 on Wednesday 17 March 21 17:39 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone find John Thomas Wilson b-1892 Tynemouth any census or the 1939 regesters as I can not find anything between his birth and marriage in 1915 in Tynemout
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is this the 1915 marriage with father Enoch?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNBR-JLY
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Yes that’s the man, I did find a JT in the 1939 regesters at Cedarwood Ave but no family and an birth of 1887
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do you have a copy of the marriage cert to confirm occupation for Enoch? Do the names of witnesses help?
If you don't have him on the census, how do you know he was born Tynemouth? Or when he was born?
There is a John Thomas Wilson registered Tynemouth march qtr 1892 mmn Scott and one registered march qtr 1893 mmn Copland.
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the John Thomas Wilson mmn Scott is this one from 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMF-264
younger sister is Margaret Beatrice registered sept qtr 1897 mmn Scott
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This is the birth on free bmd and got fathers name from marriage. the other JTWs father is Andrew
I dont have b- cert
Name:
John Thomas Wilson
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year:
1892
Registration District:
Tynemouth
County:
Northumberland
Event Place:
Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Volume:
10B
Affiliate Line Number:
66
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i have actually checked out the JTW birth and census from Chesterfield Derbyshire but I believe he is still there in 1939 as a Quarry Owner and my JT Wilson has 5 children in Tynemouth between 1915-1930
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is this the 1915 marriage with father Enoch?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNBR-JLY
If that is the correct marriage to Margaret Frances Wilson this would be his baptism
dob matches free search 1939 register in Tynemouth, Northumberland
other person Margaret F Wilson bn 1896
John Thomas Wilson
Birth 16 Aug 1891 Matlock Dale
Baptism 1 Nov 1891 Matlock, Derbyshire, England
Father: Enoch Wilson Mother: Elizabeth
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Looking at same family, Ladyhawk! ;)
there is this John Thomas Wilson on the 1901 census, mother a widow
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSJG-2Y2
1891 head is Enock
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4XV3-8MM
baptism for John Thomas
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNBC-X99
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Hi ladyhawk I think that is the same JT living in Church street south Chesterfield in 1939
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This is the birth on free bmd and got fathers name from marriage. the other JTWs father is Andrew
I dont have b- cert
Name:
John Thomas Wilson
Event Type:
Birth Registration
Registration Quarter:
Jan-Feb-Mar
Registration Year:
1892
Registration District:
Tynemouth
County:
Northumberland
Event Place:
Tynemouth, Northumberland, England
Volume:
10B
Affiliate Line Number:
66
this is the birth reg with mother's maiden name Scott and is for the son of Andrew & Isabella. Don't know what affiliate line number means, it should be page 289.
The John Thomas son of Enoch isn't in Chesterfield, he's in Matlock. Still there in 1911 census.
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the John Thomas in Chesterfield gives his date of birth as 13 October 1894 on the 1939 register.
The one born Matlock has dob of 16 Aug 1891 on his baptism but 26 March 1892 on school admissions, both with father Enoch.
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I did not have access to the FindMyPast to see details I thought he was the Matlock JTW so we could be looking at the Matlock JTW coming up here. In 1939 I now find his possible daughter Violet in 25 Cedarwood Avenue Tynemouth but I don’t know who else lives there plus JTs birth is 1887
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what do you know for sure about your John Thomas Wilson? Which of his children is your direct relation?
The JTW born 1887 appears to be the one who married Violet Thirkle sept qtr 1912 Morpeth vol 10b pg 1874. 10 possible children registered at Tynemouth and 1 at Morpeth. There is a Violet Elizabeth amongst them. She married in dec qtr 1943. Her death was registered in 2003 and her date of birth was given as 26 Sept 1919.
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John Thomas Wilson who married Margaret Frances Wilson are the grandparents of my friend, they had a son John Thomas b-1915, Violet b-1918, Margaret b-1919, Enock b-1921 and Rose b-1926 all born in Tynemouth
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you can search the 1939 register by date of birth on Findmypast or Ancestry. I've just checked for a John Wilson with dob 16 August 1891. There is only one and he's in Tynemouth. I can only check as far as the index for you.
It would appear that he's the one born in Matlock.
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Yes I tend to agree with the Derbyshire family, I’ve brought up 1891,1901,and1911 census but I don’t have access to the 1939 registers in tynemouth
Thanks for your help
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you could take a free trial on Findmypast, just make sure you cancel in time.
Birth reg
John Thomas Wilson sep qtr 1891 Bakewell vol 7b pg 764 mmn Slater
Marriage of Enoch Wilson & Elizabeth Slater in 1870
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVY6-KRJ
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Cheers I’ve been looking for that marriage he has a daughter Sarah Ann Slater aged 3 in 1871 census, but he and Sarah are living with his sister in 1881 Charlotte Porter then he’s back with wife Elizabeth in 1891
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Marriage of Enoch Wilson & Elizabeth Slater in 1870
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVY6-KRJ
For info. from Derbyshire, England, Church of England Marriages and Banns, 1754-1932
His marriage available to view
Enoch’s occupation brick layer father Thomas, occ farmer
witnesses Charlotte Porter & John Slater
Elizabeth made her mark (x), her father Edward brick maker
And also these marriages, can provide further details if you don’t have access to Anc*y, their father Enoch occ brick layer
Hannah Wilson age 19 married on 22 Dec 1889 Darley Spouse Robert Carnell
Bessie Wilson age 20 married on 24 Nov 1895 Matlock Bank, Spouse George Carline
Rose Wilson age 18 married on 9 Sep 1899 Matlock, Spouse Job Buckley
father deceased
Mary Alice Wilson age 19 married 25 Dec 1903 Matlock, Spouse Henry Spencer
father deceased
There are these 3 Baptisms at Newbold Derbyshire details from Derbyshire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1916 parents Enoch, bricklayer & Elizabeth
Bessie Wilson 13 Feb 1876 born 5 Nov 1874
Charlotte Wilson 24 Mar 1878 born 21 Mar 1878
Rose Wilson 1 Mar 1881 born 4 Dec 1880
and these Wilson burials
Charlotte Wilson age 1
Burial 2 Dec 1878 Newbold, Derbyshire Abode St John’s Road
Enoch Wilson age 48 abode Matlock Bank
Burial 12 May 1899 Matlock, Derbyshire
details from Derbyshire, England, Church of England Burials, 1813-1991
he has a daughter Sarah Ann Slater aged 3 in 1871 census, but he and Sarah are living with his sister in 1881 Charlotte Porter then he’s back with wife Elizabeth in 1891
1871c Piece:3611 Folio:136 Page 12
Old Brick Yard
Enoch Wilson 20 Head occ bricklayer
Elizabeth Wilson 22 wife
Sarah Ann Wilson 3 dau
all born Newbold
1881c Piece: 3451 Folio:26 Page 16
Matlock Green
John Porter 42
Charlotte PORTER 41
Enoch WILSON 29 mar. brother in law, occ bricklayer
Sarah A. SLATER 13 Niece Gen Serv Dom
Bertram Stevenson 2 nurse child
Marriage Banns on 11th, 18th & 25 Oct 1857 St Thomas Brampton Derbyshire
John PORTER & Charlotte SLATER
Charlotte Slater and Elizabeth Wilson nee Slater are sisters , they are together on 1851 census with mother their Hannah SLATER and other siblings Piece: 2147; Folio: 638; Page: 21
There is also a marriage for
Sarah Ann SLATER age on 19 Jun 1888 Matlock Spouse Joseph Prince
NO father named, witnesses is John PORTER & Hannah WILSON
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Thank you Ladyhawk last night I mistakingly thought Charlotte Porter in the 1881 census was nee Wilson and wasted a bit of time looking for her, but about 1/2 hour ago I found she was nee Slater which was Elizabeth’s Sister. I now think I have the full picture up to the marriage of John Thomas Wilson and Margaret Frances Wilson in Tynemouth 1915. The Tynemouth 1939 registers are a bit of a mystery John Thomas wife Margaret Frances children John Thomas, Violet, Margaret, Rose and Enoch dont seem to be together obviously young JT and Margaret could have married and moved on but the others are still children
My friend is trying to get some info from his elderly aunt
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the children may be redacted on the 1939 register. Which site are you using to find the family?
There is only 1 Margaret F Wilson in Tynemouth and she is at the same address as John born 16 Aug 1891.
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I now think I have the full picture up to the marriage of John Thomas Wilson and Margaret Frances Wilson in Tynemouth 1915.
The Tynemouth 1939 registers are a bit of a mystery
You may find that some records are hidden or redacted, which is to protect the privacy of people who are still alive. While the records will be opened gradually over time, you can also contact The National Archives to request a record be closed, or opened if you believe the person to be deceased.
I’m sending you a PM as I think one of the children mentioned may have married 1940 so you can take a look and see what you think