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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: heaven on Friday 19 March 21 02:32 GMT (UK)
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Frederick Henry Sparke born and baptised in Devon, England 1833.
1. He immigrated to Australia, it is believed he arrived in Melbourne, Vic at the end of 1854 on the ship "Walter" a single man. I cannot find a record.
He married 1856 in Heidelberg to Clara Maria Johnston, he was aged 24 and she was 17, usual residence for both was Greensborough, his occupation listed as "School Master"
After their marriage they moved to Templestowe, where he was supposedly a teacher at Templestowe School no 624.
2. would there be a record to clarify this and if so how long he was there.
I have records from 1863 stating Frederick is working for the Templestowe Roads Board, first as a Clerk, then a Surveyor.
On 23 Sep 1870 there is a notice in the Argus Newspaper, - Frederick, the holder of a publican's licence for the house and premises known as the Templesowe Hotel, Templestowe, applies to The Heidelberg Court of Petty Sessions, sitting on the 28 day of Feb, to transfer the said licence to John Gorman of Heidelberg.
When and how long he was at the Hotel I don't know?
He is making a move to Marysville to become teacher at the new school there, he answered their advertisement and was appointed on 24 Oct 1870.
If someone can help me with the earlier records 1 and 2, it would be greatly appreciated.
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VIC BDM marriage
Marriage
1370/1856 SPARKE, Frederick Henry marr. JOHNSTON Clara Maria
What church are they married in?. hat names do you see for witnesses?
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Witnesses are, Clara's father T E Johnston and William Usher
St John's church.
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Two children have distinctive second given names. Are these names from JOHNSON or SPARKE family?
BDM VIC births
17560/1876 SPARKE George Freeman parents Clara JOHNSON / Frederick Henry @ Mary
25021/1867 SPARKE Esther Webber parents Clara Maria JOHNSTON / Frederick Henry @ Templestow
BDM VIC death
1173/1905 SPARKE Fredk Hy parents UKN / UKN @ C Hill 72y
17114/1923 SPARKE Clara Maria parents Harriett COOTE / JOHNSTON Thomas Elliott @ Warburton
85y
What are the circumstances of Frederick's death......away from home?
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The Argus 30 May 1856 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/4839053?
On the 26th inst., at Heidelberg Church, by the Rev. James Lynar—Frederick Henry SPARKE, youngest
son of Mr. William Sparke, of Newton Abbot, Devon, England, to Clara Maria, eldest daughter of Mr.
Thomas Eliot JOHNSTON, formerly of Dublin, now of the colony of Victoria.
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Thank you, I have all of thoserecords and more, my main query is for 1 and 2
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"....1. He immigrated to Australia, it is believed he arrived in Melbourne, Vic at the end of 1854 on the ship "Walter" a single man. I cannot find a record.?
Who believes this, other than you. Why do they believe this? What is the source of this information?
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It is believed to be so by other family members, but I need to know for sure if thi is correct or not
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It is useful to know the source of your information.
"...he was supposedly a teacher at Templestowe School no 624." This is very specific...number of school, so it in not likely to be family stories.
Ask your family where they have found the information. If no one knows, then just start your own research.
Frederick's death certificate would record "...years in the colony". Frederick's death in index does not record parents' names. His wife is alive when he dies, and while Clara might not be named as formant, you might expect that Clare is source of the information. If Clara did not know his parents' names, Clara might not know much else about him eg life before 1856 in Victoria....including when he arrived. But Frederick did not die at home, which might compromise what information was recorded on the death certificate.
That is why I asked about his death. Does the death certificate show years in the colony?
Some settlers gave family name / location / ship of arrival to their property.
Some gave name of the ship of arrival to a child. That is why I am asking about those given names.
The information you are using might be found ......back of a photo....entry in family bible......possibilities that an earlier researcher considered.
If no one can tell you where this information comes from......just do your own research.
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Frederick's death certificate states he died 11 mar 1905 at the Yarra Bend Lunatic Asylum, he is a widower, it doesn't give any other relevant info, nor years in the Colony.
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VIC state archives indexes
Teacher records (1863-1959)
Sparke, Clara Maria
Teacher ID: 4534; Approximate year of registration: 1869; TRB unit no : 15
DATE:1869
SERIES:Database Index to Teacher Record Books
Sparke, Frederick M Henry
Teacher ID: 4532; Approximate year of registration: 1869; TRB unit no : 15
DATE:1869
SERIES:Database Index to Teacher Record Books
https://prov.vic.gov.au/explore-collection/explore-topic/education/teacher-records-1863-1959
"view the Teacher Record Books online at Ancestry.com.au "
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Thanks, I will also look at ancestry
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You may have already seen this but posting in case you haven't.
From facebook
quote " Frederick Sparke was appointed teacher on 24th October 1870 and early attendance averaged 20 pupils with 27 on the roll.
In 1873 the school became State School No.1273 and a wooden school building, on the corner of Pack Road and Kings Road was completed in September 1874. Frederick Sparke was Head Teacher until 1892."
Marysville & District Historical Society
https://www.facebook.com/pg/Marysville-District-Historical-Society-Inc-949320261842748/posts/
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Yes Thank You. I do have those records.
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SPARKES was not registered as a teacher until 1869.
He was publican in Templestowe July 1870.
There was a double teacher vacancy in Dec 1869 at the Church of England common school Templestowe
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5808897
He went to Marysville as a teacher in Oct 1870
Sue
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Thanks for that, I really don't know what to think about Frederick, his marriage certificate states he was a School Master and that was 1856. "Where?"
The information I am seeking is, confirmation of his whereabouts, prior to his marriage and up to 1863, in 1863 he is a Clerk on the Templestowe Road board.
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Well,
It is possible he was "assistant teacher" to his prospective father in law, whose records you have seen according to your topic in February, at the Greeensborough school.
It looks like Thomas Eliot JOHNSTON would have needed support to carry out his duties in the school judging by his supervisor's comments.
In order to make himself look a fitting husband for the very young Clara, Frederick may have simply stated school master as his occupation.
Sue
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Thanks Sue, that is a possibility I didn't think of, I think I really need to think outside the square
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Thanks Sue, that is a possibility I didn't think of, I think I really need to think outside the square
Or purchase and download the birth certificates of the 3 children born between 1857 and 1862 in order to view the section "father's occupation"
Sue
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There is a public record for him available at public records office victoria. I think it can be viewed also at ancestry au.
Frederick m henry sparke
Teacher ID 4532
Approximate year of registration 1869.
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Thank you I have that record also
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Thanks Sue, I did what you suggested and downloaded a couple of birth certificates for the children, although I had the indexes, the Certs show so much more, so, Frederick's address was the School House, Templestowe and occupation Teacher, that problem is now solved, so thank you again
The only record I need and am unable to find is, when he came to Melbourne. Maybe the story of him arriving late 1854 on ship "Walter" is not correct. I can't find the record.
Is there any one at Rootschat that could point me in the direction to search, I do know it was between the 1851 England Census and his marriage in Heidelberg on 29 May 1856.
Judy