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Henry Walter BIRD,
BORN 1849, Lancashire, England. Perhaps to parents Henry Bird and Elizabeth- died 11 Nov 1935,86 years old, Petford, North Queensland and buried within The Pioneer cemetery at Mareeba, Constin Street together with his wife Mary.
MARRIED Mary Ellen Kenely (McKinley) No further information on the marriage.
DIED 14 Sept 1951, aged 89 years, which gives birth date approx 1862.
ISUUE, five children: Annie Evelyn 1891-1961, Walter Frederick 1893-1938, William Tasman 1902-1946, Harold Walter "Harry" 1907-1966, Ruby Edith- no details.
Trying to find further details on the family back from Henry Walter Bird. Who his family where and how they came to Autralia etc.
Any help or suggestions welcomed to help further this research.
Thank You
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There is this interesting notice - is it your Henry Walter BIRD in 1897?
"Missing Friends.
BIRD. HENRY WALTER BIRD left England about 14 years ago for Australia, last heard of in Georgetown, Queensland. His wife is anxious for news of his whereabouts. If not heard from in three months I intend to marry again. Address Mrs. Mary Ann Bird, c/o Mr. H. Middleton, 4 Old-Sowcester-rd, Cotton End, Northampton, England."
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article71289114
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Henry Walter BIRD,
BORN 1849, Lancashire, England. Perhaps to parents Henry Bird and Elizabeth- died 11 Nov 1935,86 years old,
Obituaries for him at the time say he was 77 when he died?
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article41714260
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If age 77 is correct, so born c1858, there is a marriage for a Henry Walter BIRD (23, All Sints, Northampton) and Mary Ann HOLT (24, Far Cotton, Northampton) on 28 July 1880 at Hardingstone. (His father: John BIRD, farmer, her's John HOLT [his name is crossed out], grocer.)
Then there is an immigration record for a Henry BIRD age 25 (born c 1858) on the Roma to Townsville, Queensland arriving 26 April 1883. This would fit with the notice above.
Where do you have his birth in 1849, Lancashire? I notice that the index of his death registration in Qld has no parent's names included.
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The registered children of Mary Ellen have the appearance of being illegitimate. If you are also looking for information about her then one of the birth certificates will give you an age and place of birth. You probably need to be careful with who fathered each of the children.
Debra :)
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QLD state archives has a mining lease:
MINING LEASE / MAREEBA / Henry Walter BIRD / Tenure Number ML 004812 (PART A) - Previous Tenure Number ML1580MARE (DME 006740)
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Thank You for the replys to my query.
It sure sounds like Walter Henry Bird in the Missing Friends notice.
The age 77 is correct for the obituary, as he died from a spider bite.
This perhaps fits with the suggestion that it would appear Mary Ellen children are illegitimate.
Certificates no doubt will confirm.
I agree the immigration record sounds to be a fit.
Another researcher, again no certificates.
The mining lease was this at Wolfram Camp? or just as stated
Regards
Jill
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In the 1881 census at Hardingstone has:
Henry BIRD 23 Moira, Leicestershire (quarryman)
Anne 24 Hardingstone
RG11/1541 pg18
In 1891, Mary Anne is with her father in Hardingstone at Cotton End
John HOLT 77 Stratton (retired grocer)
Mary A BIRD 35 Cotton End (grocer)
John 9
George 8
RG12/1192 pg4
The birth registrations of the children can be found on the GRO with mother's maiden name HOLT:
Dec qtr 1882 George Holt BIRD Hardingstone (3b/37)
Jun qtr 1881 John Earl BIRD Hardingstone (3b/42)
This looks like a probable birth then for Henry Walter BIRD -
Mar qtr 1858 Henry Walter BIRD Ashby de la Zouch (7a/92) mmn PARKER
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And on 15 March 1897 Mary Ann BIRD (39, widow, father - John HOLT, deceased grocer) married Harry MIDDLETON (37, batchelor, railway servant) at Moulton.
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All certainly seems to fit the family dynamics so to speak, given all the previous entries from contributors and yourself.
Many thanks
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Assuming this is the correct Henry Walter BIRD, though we still don't have proof ;) , this appears to be the family of Henry Walter BIRD in 1871 at Measham, Derbyshire:
John BIRD 54 Moira (boatman- master)
Eliza 54 Peckham, Surrey
Emma 26 Moira (machinist)
Ann 22 (machinist)
Betsy 20 (housemaid)
John 16
Henry 13
RG10/3243 pg29
and in 1861 at Ashby de la Zouch
Eliza BIRD 43 Peckham (carrier by canal)
Ann 12 ? Derby
Betsy 10
Henry 3 Moira
RG9/2270 pg14
Modified to add:
In 1861, father John BIRD is on a canal at Hemel Hemstead
John BIRD 45 Moira (boat master)
Emma 17
John 6
Robert ALLEN 16 Hinchley (boatman)
Geroge WILBUR 17
RG9/839 pg28
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A John BIRD and Eliza PARKER apper to have married in Ashby de la Zouch in Jun qtr 1841 (15/9).
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https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Northhampton Mercury 5 Jul 1912 p3
.........and the petitioner lived together Moulton, and there was one child. In 1902 they separated, and she subsequently got reparation order. Evidence was also given that on July 28 1880. the respondent, Mary Ann Bird, was married to Henry Walter Bird, at the parish church of Hard one, in the county Northampton. After a time Mr. Bird went to Australia. The case was before the Court fortnight ago, and was adjourned for further evidence. Evidence was now given a brother of Mr. Henry Walter Bird, who identified the signature of his brother in the register of marriage. Replying to his lordship, witness said lhis brother was alive. A decree nisi......
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GRO births
BIRD, John Earl mms. HOLT
1881 JunQ Hardingstone Vol 03B Page 42
BIRD, George Holt mms. HOLT
1882 DecQ Hardingstone Vol 03B Page 37
Census 1901 11Cotton End Far Cotton Northamptonshire
MIDDLETON Harry 32y grocer b. Newnham Northampton
MIDDLETON Mary A 42y b. Northampton
MIDDLETON Grace 2y dau b. Leicseter
BIRD John E 19y s/son grocer b. Northampton
BIRD George H 17y s/so chemist app. b. Northampton
FreeBDM birth
MIDDLETON, Grace Eva mms. HOLT
1899 MarQ Barrow-upon-Soar Vol 07A Page 145
marriage MarQ 1897 Brixworth Vol 3b page 167
MIDDLETON Harry marr. BIRD Mary Ann
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https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Northhampton Mercury 5 Jul 1912 p3
.........and the petitioner lived together Moulton, and there was one child. In 1902 they separated, and she subsequently got reparation order. Evidence was also given that on July 28 1880. the respondent, Mary Ann Bird, was married to Henry Walter Bird, at the parish church of Hard one, in the county Northampton. After a time Mr. Bird went to Australia. The case was before the Court fortnight ago, and was adjourned for further evidence. Evidence was now given a brother of Mr. Henry Walter Bird, who identified the signature of his brother in the register of marriage. Replying to his lordship, witness said lhis brother was alive. A decree nisi......
Also:
" Order by consent - Henry Middleton (36), mer-
chant's assistant, 69, Denmark-road, was sum-
moned by his wife, Mary Ann Middleton, 11,
Cotton End, who claimed an order of mainten-
ance. - Mr. G. Jason Phillips, for the complainant,
said that Mrs. Middleton was willing to consent to
a separation order without maintenance for her-
self or her child.- An order was accordingly made,
defendant to pay the costs, 8s."
Friday, Jan. 9, 1903
Publication: Northampton Mercury
There is also an interesting case to do with the mortgage on the property where John HOLT and subsequently his daughter Mary Ann BIRD carried out their grocer business in 1896. It's too long to transcribe here, but happy to send you a copy if you are interested.
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My Great GrandUncle is Henry Walter Bird. B.1857. D1935 Australia.
His parents were John Barnett Bird, Elizabeth Parker.
Married Mary Ann Holt in 1880 Hardingstone .They had two children John Earl Bird, George Holt Bird.
He left his Wife c.1883 and departs fo Australia.
Mary married Harry Middleton and had one Daughter Grace Eva.
I have NO information of his life or new family in Australia and would really appreciate any information that anyone has on Henry Walter Bird.
I can supply all information on his family in England. Thank You. :)
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Hi
The two pages of this thread deal with the possible life and family of Henry Walter BIRD.
Some of the discussion has revolved round 'other people's' research and, as far as I can see, there is not a certificate of any sort mentioned to support the information.
No-one has really been able to confirm this is the right man, let alone whose were all the children attributed to him. There was not a registered marriage to Mary Ellen KENELY and that is why her death is recorded twice, once as BIRD 1951/003245 and once as KENELY 1951/003245
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/#
As he is part of your family, if you want some kind of confirmation, you would need to download his death certificate.
This is what a correctly completed Queensland Death certificate will show.
His parents' names were not known, but there may well be other details to help clearly identify him, depending on the knowledge held by the informant.
Name
Date
Death place
Age
Occupation
Cause of death
Parents' names
Spouse names
Marriage details
Chns names
No of chn
Birthplace
Cost about $22 Aust. See here.
https://www.familyhistory.bdm.qld.gov.au/#
Sue
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I also have been searching for information on Henry Walter Bird - Great Grandfather, but when searching the death records on the website for Queensland it does not mention father or mother and so I am reluctant to order the death certificate.
As per below -
Death registration:
Henry Walter Bird
Death date: 11/11/1935
Mother's name: -
Father/parent's name: -
Registration details: 1935/C/4357
Am I correct in thinking this?
I am more than happy to order the certificate but it seems pointless if this information is not listed.
I do know that he was not married as my mother had me that her father William Tasman Bird was terribly upset when he found out that his mother and father were not married.
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Hello u2by and welcome to RootsChat.
Yes, unfortunately death certificates are only accurate as the person reporting the information knew. Parent's names may not be known, however there is other information which may be provided - spouse, marriage details, children's names, place of birth, residency etc. You can see what information there may be here:
http://www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
An obituary has been provided in reply #2
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article41714260
Modified to add:
Sorry Sue, just realised you posted the information available on a Qld death certificate already. :-[
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My Great GrandUncle is Henry Walter Bird. B.1857. D1935 Australia.
His parents were John Barnett Bird, Elizabeth Parker.
Married Mary Ann Holt in 1880 Hardingstone .They had two children John Earl Bird, George Holt Bird.
He left his Wife c.1883 and departs fo Australia.
Mary married Harry Middleton and had one Daughter Grace Eva.
I have NO information of his life or new family in Australia and would really appreciate any information that anyone has on Henry Walter Bird.
I can supply all information on his family in England. Thank You. :)
Welcome Castlebromwich also to RootsChat !
As Sue has mentioned (and I pointed out in reply #10) whilst it does look promising, there is still no proof that they are the same person.
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As there seem to be 2 or 3 people on this thread interested in the purchase of this certificate, but no-one actually doing it, I suggest you use the Personal Message system and negotiate a solution to acquiring it! ;D
Sue
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Hello again, I’m really interested in reading these Bird postings, I’ll look again at my tree again here in England.
NOTE TO u2by Thank you for your message for some reason I’m unable to reply, could you email
Thank you.
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Hello again, I’m really interested in reading these Bird postings, I’ll look again at my tree again here in England.
NOTE TO u2by Thank you for your message for some reason I’m unable to reply, could you email
Thank you.
Hello Castlebromwich. You need to make 3 posts before you can use the personal message system. One more and you're there. :) Simply reply to this if you like.
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Ah got it ....thanks.....senior here ! LOL
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As there seem to be 2 or 3 people on this thread interested in the purchase of this certificate, but no-one actually doing it, I suggest you use the Personal Message system and negotiate a solution to acquiring it! ;D
I have ordered the death certificate!!
Sue
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Hi All,
I have received the death certificate for Henry Walter Bird, and it doesn't really contain a lot of imof information.
Henry Walter Bird
Date of death - 11th November 1935 Petford
Age at death - 86years 10months and 11days - putting date of birth would be 31 December 1848
Born in England
Lived in Queensland for 50 years
Married at Georgetown QLD at 44 years of age to Mary Ellen Kenealy
Living Children - Edie ?37, Cis ?42, Walter 40, William 34, Henry 25 - writing is a little hard to read
No parents listed
Hope this helps
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Thank you u2by for your generous post. Strangely I cannot find Walter Henry Bird b. 1848 or near in England on Ancestry ?
“ my “ Walter Henry Bird ( as far as I can be sure ) was born 1857 Moira Leicestershire.
H3 married Mary Ann Holt 28 July 1880 Hardingstone Northamptonshire.
Two children, Sons John Earl Bird b.1881-1949. George Holt Bird 1882
Walter leaves England in 1883.
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I wonder why the newspaper obituary says "aged 77", whilst the death certificate has "86years 10months and 11days"?
10 years is quite a discrepancy. :-\
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Castlebromwich - are you looking for a Walter Henry or a Henry Walter Bird?
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The date of birth for Henry Walter Bird - is very questionable.
As previously stated on the the death certificate in 1935 it states 86y10m11days = 31/12/1848
I have found a birth certificate for Harry Birth -28/07/1907 which states father Henry Walter Bird was 47 = 1860
Then there is the Trove death notice on 1935 stating his age was 77 = 1858
I would guess that the death notice DOB is incorrect as the death was reported by his grandson Norman Bird and not his wife(?) or children.
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My interest definitely Henry Walter Bird born Moira 1857 ( could be 1858 )
Confirmed on 1871 census. Married 1880 age 23. Mary Ann Holt.
Two children John Earl Bird b.1881. George Holt Bird 1882.
He left England for Australia in 1883 age 26.
He is my great grand uncle, the brother of my 2x great grandfather..
I’m wondering why he left ?? Leaving a young bride and two very young children.
Did he marry again, What is his new wife’s name and did he have a ‘new’ family? Are any about ?
Thanks for your interest.
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Hi Castlebromwich - did you receive my DM message? Containing more information on Henry Walter Bird? Was hoping that you could share your information if you are willing on the rest of the family he left behind in the UK
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Hi Castlebromwich - did you receive my DM message? Containing more information on Henry Walter Bird? Was hoping that you could share your information if you are willing on the rest of the family he left behind in the UK
Hi no sorry I can’t see any message, not sure what a D M message is ?
I’m more than happy to share what I have . Clive