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Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of finding a birth cert for a Olive Evelyn Bailey nee Taylor, born 1913 married to a Harry Steven Christopher Bailey around the Salisbury area? I can find their marriage cert and Harry's birth cert but no luck with Olives.
Thanks in advance :)
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There are many Olive Taylor's that year but no Evelyn... do you know what her mother's maiden name was?
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After some research I believe this to be her birth info:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
TAYLOR, OLIVE EDITH SMITH
GRO Reference: 1907 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 83
Her brother John William Taylor:
TAYLOR, JOHN WILLIAM SMITH
GRO Reference: 1909 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 62
TAYLOR, LESLIE NORMAN SMITH
GRO Reference: 1921 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 133
Sisters:
TAYLOR, GWENDOLINE IRENE GERTRUDE SMITH
GRO Reference: 1915 J Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 109
TAYLOR, JESSIE ROSAMOND SMITH
GRO Reference: 1919 S Quarter in BEDWELLTY Volume 11A Page 155
Parents: Oliver Taylor and Annie Elizabeth Smith
Will keep searching and cross-reference.
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Here is her passing in 1984 showing she was born in 1907:
TAYLOR, OLIVE EVELYN born:1907
GRO Reference: DOR Q1/1984 in HAMMERSMITH (2311) Volume 12 Page 1771
Both those docs you can order from the GRO site if you become a member and then log in. Let us know if you need help.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
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There are many Olive Taylor's that year but no Evelyn... do you know what her mother's maiden name was?
Hi thanks so much for your reply, but according to the 1939 census she was born the 25th of September 1913.
First time using these services so trying to find my bearings. Thank you for your help :)
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from the free index of the 1939 register, her date of birth is 25 Sep 1913
Death reg dec qtr 2001 Bodmin Olive Evelyn Buckley dob 25 Sep 1913
Marriage sept 1951 Birmingham 9c pg 1087 Olive E Bailey to William R Buckley
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someone else/same person with different name asking about the same family
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=846363.msg7134168#msg7134168
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Anyway maybe delete my error-ridden comments? I should have kept to just one so I could edit it out. My apologies.
1911 she is referred to as from Cwmtillery and estimated to be born 1808
Household
Oliver Taylor
Head
Male
37
Leicestershire
Annie E Taylor
Wife
Female
34
Chatham, Kent
Olive Taylor
Daughter
Female
3
Cwmtillery
John W Taylor
Son
Male
1
Cwmtillery
Fred Webb
Boarder
Male
25
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire
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Bedwellty is 8 miles from Cwmtillery
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Hi Alan,
Thanks for the reply/help.
I have also looked into the Olive Taylor on the Welsh route but according to the 1939 census she was born in 1913 not 1808 :( also I can see on this census that her surname was marked out and changed to Buckley but I'm assuming this was a mistake as her husband Harry Bailey was recorded above her.
I've seemed to find Harry's Grandparents thanks to a link someone else posted on this forum but I'm now stuck on trying to find his grandmothers maiden name, her name is Emily Bailey but she was formerly Emily Easter from a previous marriage, any advice on where I could narrow down her maiden surname?
Again thanks for all your help :)
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Census ages are notoriously wrong/rounded off/estimated. I've seen them out by 15 years... not sure about the 1839 register in that regard.
I found this which seems to apply:
With due respect Emily Easter nee Manston married the Widower George Frank 1846 -1920 Bailey as the Widow of William Easter. And he William Easter is the father of all her Easter children.. The only child she Emily Easter will have with her second husband George Frank 1846-1920 Bailey is young Edith Bailey. George Frank Bailey here in the Census in Britford down as Frank Bailey aged 50. He had with his first wife Fanny Knight daughter of a George Knight. George Edward 1787 Bailey, Wiliam 1880 Bailey, and a Frank 1882 Bailey. . The parents of George Frank 1846 Bailey in Britford down as only Frank Bailey, and the same in Edmondsham in 1861. but down as George Frank Bailey in the 1851 Census in Edmondsham. They were the George 1820 Bailey that married an Emily 1820 Longman on the 12/12/1840 in Edmondsham.
In this 1891 census it says that Emily Easter/Bailey/Manston is from Cranborne.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DoVC-OP38xtvcLJ8i1P-Re52UsI7iaKX/view?usp=sharing
So going by that and her age we know she was born 1851 and so I feel confident this her birth and mother:
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
MANSTON, EMILY Mother:ADAMS
GRO Reference: 1851 D Quarter in WIMBORNE AND CRANBORNE
Will have to look into this more and cross-check.
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If you have the correct person on the 1939 reg and the name is crossed out and Buckley added this will be because like someone has already found on this thread she remarried and they updated the register.
The lady who you are looking for is the Olive Buckley all the records add up .
You can always order the death cert from GRO sometimes they have a little extra info on
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Can I suggest you consider buying a copy of the 1936 marriage cert which should give her fathers name. It may make it easier to determine the right birth entry
www.freebmd.org.uk
June qtr 1936 Salisbury 5a 550
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My last response was to this question:
but I'm now stuck on trying to find his grandmothers maiden name, her name is Emily Bailey but she was formerly Emily Easter from a previous marriage, any advice on where I could narrow down her maiden surname?
Frank George Bailey and Emily "Easter"'s son George born in 1874
EASTER, GEORGE Morther: MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 270
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also I can see on this census that her surname was marked out and changed to Buckley but I'm assuming this was a mistake as her husband Harry Bailey was recorded above her.
You might like to read this information about the 1939 register so that you know what it is you are looking at. It wasn't a census.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/
Debra :)
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From the 1891 census ...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DoVC-OP38xtvcLJ8i1P-Re52UsI7iaKX/view?usp=sharing
I tracked down all the names from it that I could on the GRO
The family is Frank George Bailey living with Emily Manston.Frank Bailey first married Fanny Knight and then Emily Manstone .
EASTER, ELLEN EASTER MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 255
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, EDITH MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ALDERBURY Volume 05A Page 188
EASTER, GEORGE MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 270
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, FRANK KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in ALDERBURY Volume 05A Page 176
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, WILLIAM KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in ANDOVER Volume 02C Page 215
BAILEY, GEORGE EDWARD KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 220
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, MARY JANE KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in ALDERBURY Volume 05A Page 188 ***Not in 1891 census****
Emily Manston birth:
MANSTON, EMILY Mother's Maiden Surname: BREWER
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 264
Her parents in 1891 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59033638e9379091b1f6d13c/stephen-manston-1891-hampshire-fordingbridge-1826-?locale=en
Name:
BAILEY, GEORGE FRANK Mother's Maiden Surname: LONGMAN
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in WIMBORNE AND CRANBORNE Volume 08 Page 155
Frank George Bailey age 5 in 1851 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5f4f9c24f4040b7020bc8141/george-frank-bailey-1851-dorset-wimborne-1846-?locale=en
Franks parents George Bailey and Emily Longman married 12 Dec 1840 at Cranbourne
Still trying to tease apart which kids are William Easter's and which are Fanny's and which are Emily Manston's... It's confusing how the dates overlap. That note posted a few posts above does go through the kid list and should be read a few times over.
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also I can see on this census that her surname was marked out and changed to Buckley but I'm assuming this was a mistake as her husband Harry Bailey was recorded above her.
You might like to read this information about the 1939 register so that you know what it is you are looking at. It wasn't a census.
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/
Debra :)
Hi Debra,
My mistake, thank you for the link I really appreciate it :)
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From the 1891 census ...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DoVC-OP38xtvcLJ8i1P-Re52UsI7iaKX/view?usp=sharing
I tracked down all the names from it that I could on the GRO
The family is Frank George Bailey living with Emily Manston.Frank Bailey first married Fanny Knight and then Emily Manstone .
EASTER, ELLEN EASTER MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 255
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, EDITH MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1887 S Quarter in ALDERBURY Volume 05A Page 188
EASTER, GEORGE MANSTON
GRO Reference: 1874 J Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 270
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, FRANK KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1882 M Quarter in ALDERBURY Volume 05A Page 176
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, WILLIAM KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in ANDOVER Volume 02C Page 215
BAILEY, GEORGE EDWARD KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1878 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 220
Name: Mother's Maiden Surname:
BAILEY, MARY JANE KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1884 M Quarter in ALDERBURY Volume 05A Page 188 ***Not in 1891 census****
Emily Manston birth:
MANSTON, EMILY Mother's Maiden Surname: BREWER
GRO Reference: 1852 D Quarter in WIMBORNE Volume 05A Page 264
Her parents in 1891 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59033638e9379091b1f6d13c/stephen-manston-1891-hampshire-fordingbridge-1826-?locale=en
Name:
BAILEY, GEORGE FRANK Mother's Maiden Surname: LONGMAN
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in WIMBORNE AND CRANBORNE Volume 08 Page 155
Frank George Bailey age 5 in 1851 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5f4f9c24f4040b7020bc8141/george-frank-bailey-1851-dorset-wimborne-1846-?locale=en
Franks parents George Bailey and Emily Longman married 12 Dec 1840 at Cranbourne
Still trying to tease apart which kids are William Easter's and which are Fanny's and which are Emily Manston's... It's confusing how the dates overlap. That note posted a few posts above does go through the kid list and should be read a few times over.
Hi Alan,
Yes I also have the same information for Frank George Baileys parents - George Bailey and Emily longman however I’ve also come across a marriage between a Frank George Bailey and a Margaret Anna Dunn but I’m trying to find Frank George’s children birth Certs from this marriage to confirm if I have the right people
Many thanks :)
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Hi,
If she was born on the 25th September it's quite possible that her birth would be registered in the Oct-Dec quarter. I wonder if she got her birth year wrong and that this is her?
Olive Evelyn TAYLOR Dec Q 1912 Weymouth 5a 505
no mmn.
She is in the same district in 1939.
Regards,
Daisy