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Title: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: baileybee7 on Monday 22 March 21 15:41 GMT (UK)
Hi, I was just wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of finding a birth cert for a Olive Evelyn Bailey nee Taylor, born 1913 married to a Harry Steven Christopher Bailey around the Salisbury area? I can find their marriage cert and Harry's birth cert but no luck with Olives.

Thanks in advance :)
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Monday 22 March 21 16:21 GMT (UK)
There are many Olive Taylor's that year but no Evelyn... do you know what her mother's maiden name was?
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Monday 22 March 21 16:39 GMT (UK)
After some research I believe this to be her birth info:

 Name:    Mother's       Maiden Surname:
TAYLOR, OLIVE  EDITH        SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1907  S Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 83

Her brother John William Taylor:

    TAYLOR, JOHN  WILLIAM      SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1909  S Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 62

    TAYLOR, LESLIE  NORMAN      SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1921  S Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 133

Sisters:

    TAYLOR, GWENDOLINE  IRENE GERTRUDE     SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1915  J Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 109

    TAYLOR, JESSIE  ROSAMOND      SMITH     
GRO Reference: 1919  S Quarter in BEDWELLTY  Volume 11A  Page 155

Parents: Oliver Taylor and Annie Elizabeth Smith

Will keep searching and cross-reference.
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Monday 22 March 21 16:47 GMT (UK)
Here is her passing in 1984 showing she was born in 1907:

 TAYLOR, OLIVE  EVELYN      born:1907 
GRO Reference:  DOR  Q1/1984 in HAMMERSMITH  (2311)  Volume 12  Page 1771

Both those docs you can order from the GRO site if you become a member and then log in. Let us know if you need help.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: baileybee7 on Monday 22 March 21 17:01 GMT (UK)
There are many Olive Taylor's that year but no Evelyn... do you know what her mother's maiden name was?

Hi thanks so much for your reply, but according to the 1939 census she was born the 25th of September 1913.

First time using these services so trying to find my bearings. Thank you for your help :)
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: osprey on Monday 22 March 21 17:03 GMT (UK)
from the free index of the 1939 register, her date of birth is 25 Sep 1913

Death reg dec qtr 2001 Bodmin Olive Evelyn Buckley dob 25 Sep 1913

Marriage sept 1951 Birmingham 9c pg 1087 Olive E Bailey to William R Buckley
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: osprey on Monday 22 March 21 17:07 GMT (UK)
someone else/same person with different name asking about the same family

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=846363.msg7134168#msg7134168
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Monday 22 March 21 17:11 GMT (UK)
Anyway maybe delete my error-ridden comments? I should have kept to just one so I could edit it out. My apologies.

1911 she is referred to as from Cwmtillery and estimated to be born 1808

Household

Oliver Taylor
Head
Male
37
Leicestershire

Annie E Taylor
Wife
Female
34
Chatham, Kent

Olive Taylor
Daughter
Female
3
Cwmtillery


John W Taylor
Son
Male
1
Cwmtillery

Fred Webb
Boarder
Male
25
Cheltenham, Gloucestershire

_________________

Bedwellty is 8 miles from Cwmtillery
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: baileybee7 on Monday 22 March 21 19:15 GMT (UK)
Hi Alan,

Thanks for the reply/help.

I have also looked into the Olive Taylor on the Welsh route but according to the 1939 census she was born in 1913 not 1808 :( also I can see on this census that her surname was marked out and changed to Buckley but I'm assuming this was a mistake as her husband Harry Bailey was recorded above her.

I've seemed to find Harry's Grandparents thanks to a link someone else posted on this forum but I'm now stuck on trying to find his grandmothers maiden name, her name is Emily Bailey but she was formerly Emily Easter from a previous marriage, any advice on where I could narrow down her maiden surname?

Again thanks for all your help :)
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Monday 22 March 21 21:50 GMT (UK)
Census ages are notoriously wrong/rounded off/estimated. I've seen them out by 15 years... not sure about the 1839 register in that regard.

I found this which seems to apply:

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With due respect Emily Easter nee Manston married the Widower George Frank  1846 -1920 Bailey as the Widow of William Easter. And he William Easter is the father of all her Easter children.. The only child she Emily Easter will have with  her second husband George Frank 1846-1920 Bailey is young Edith Bailey. George Frank Bailey here in the  Census in Britford  down as Frank Bailey aged 50. He had with his first wife Fanny Knight daughter of a George Knight. George Edward 1787 Bailey, Wiliam 1880 Bailey, and a Frank 1882 Bailey. . The parents of George Frank 1846  Bailey in Britford down as only Frank Bailey, and the same in Edmondsham in 1861. but down as George Frank Bailey in the 1851 Census in Edmondsham. They were the George 1820 Bailey that married an Emily 1820 Longman on the 12/12/1840 in Edmondsham.

In this 1891 census it says that Emily Easter/Bailey/Manston is from Cranborne.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DoVC-OP38xtvcLJ8i1P-Re52UsI7iaKX/view?usp=sharing

So going by that and her age we know she was born 1851 and so I feel confident this her birth and mother:

     Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   MANSTON, EMILY        Mother:ADAMS     
GRO Reference: 1851  D Quarter in WIMBORNE AND CRANBORNE

Will have to look into this more and cross-check.
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: littlesis 76 on Monday 22 March 21 22:52 GMT (UK)
If you have the correct person on the 1939 reg and the name is crossed out and Buckley added this will be because like someone has already  found on this thread she remarried and they updated the register.
The lady who you are looking for is the Olive Buckley all the records add up .
You can always order the death cert from GRO sometimes they have a little extra info on
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 22 March 21 23:12 GMT (UK)
Can I suggest you consider buying a copy of the 1936 marriage cert which should give her fathers name.  It may make it easier to determine the right birth entry

www.freebmd.org.uk

June qtr 1936 Salisbury 5a 550

Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Monday 22 March 21 23:21 GMT (UK)
My last response was to this question:

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but I'm now stuck on trying to find his grandmothers maiden name, her name is Emily Bailey but she was formerly Emily Easter from a previous marriage, any advice on where I could narrow down her maiden surname?

Frank George Bailey and Emily "Easter"'s son George born in 1874

    EASTER, GEORGE        Morther: MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 270
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Dundee on Tuesday 23 March 21 05:23 GMT (UK)
also I can see on this census that her surname was marked out and changed to Buckley but I'm assuming this was a mistake as her husband Harry Bailey was recorded above her.

You might like to read this information about the 1939 register so that you know what it is you are looking at. It wasn't a census.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Alan of Kaslo on Tuesday 23 March 21 19:07 GMT (UK)
From the 1891 census ...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DoVC-OP38xtvcLJ8i1P-Re52UsI7iaKX/view?usp=sharing

I tracked down all the names from it that I could on the GRO

The family is Frank George Bailey living with Emily Manston.Frank Bailey first married Fanny Knight  and then Emily Manstone .

EASTER, ELLEN  EASTER      MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 255

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, EDITH        MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in ALDERBURY  Volume 05A  Page 188


EASTER, GEORGE        MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 270

   Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, FRANK        KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in ALDERBURY  Volume 05A  Page 176

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, WILLIAM        KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in ANDOVER  Volume 02C  Page 215

    BAILEY, GEORGE  EDWARD      KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in WILTON  Volume 05A  Page 220

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, MARY  JANE      KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in ALDERBURY  Volume 05A  Page 188  ***Not in 1891 census****


Emily Manston birth:

 
MANSTON, EMILY        Mother's Maiden Surname: BREWER     
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 264

Her parents in 1891 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59033638e9379091b1f6d13c/stephen-manston-1891-hampshire-fordingbridge-1826-?locale=en

  Name:    
BAILEY, GEORGE  FRANK   Mother's Maiden Surname:    LONGMAN     
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in WIMBORNE AND CRANBORNE  Volume 08  Page 155

Frank George Bailey age 5 in 1851 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5f4f9c24f4040b7020bc8141/george-frank-bailey-1851-dorset-wimborne-1846-?locale=en

Franks parents George Bailey and Emily Longman married  12 Dec 1840 at Cranbourne

Still trying to tease apart which kids are William Easter's and which are Fanny's and which are Emily Manston's... It's confusing how the dates overlap. That note posted a few posts above does go through the kid list and should be read a few times over.

   



Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: baileybee7 on Tuesday 23 March 21 23:21 GMT (UK)
also I can see on this census that her surname was marked out and changed to Buckley but I'm assuming this was a mistake as her husband Harry Bailey was recorded above her.

You might like to read this information about the 1939 register so that you know what it is you are looking at. It wasn't a census.

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/1939-register/

Debra  :)

Hi Debra,

My mistake, thank you for the link I really appreciate it :)
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: baileybee7 on Tuesday 23 March 21 23:24 GMT (UK)
From the 1891 census ...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1DoVC-OP38xtvcLJ8i1P-Re52UsI7iaKX/view?usp=sharing

I tracked down all the names from it that I could on the GRO

The family is Frank George Bailey living with Emily Manston.Frank Bailey first married Fanny Knight  and then Emily Manstone .

EASTER, ELLEN  EASTER      MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 255

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, EDITH        MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1887  S Quarter in ALDERBURY  Volume 05A  Page 188


EASTER, GEORGE        MANSTON     
GRO Reference: 1874  J Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 270

   Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, FRANK        KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1882  M Quarter in ALDERBURY  Volume 05A  Page 176

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, WILLIAM        KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1879  D Quarter in ANDOVER  Volume 02C  Page 215

    BAILEY, GEORGE  EDWARD      KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1878  M Quarter in WILTON  Volume 05A  Page 220

    Name:    Mother's Maiden Surname:
   BAILEY, MARY  JANE      KNIGHT     
GRO Reference: 1884  M Quarter in ALDERBURY  Volume 05A  Page 188  ***Not in 1891 census****


Emily Manston birth:

 
MANSTON, EMILY        Mother's Maiden Surname: BREWER     
GRO Reference: 1852  D Quarter in WIMBORNE  Volume 05A  Page 264

Her parents in 1891 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59033638e9379091b1f6d13c/stephen-manston-1891-hampshire-fordingbridge-1826-?locale=en

  Name:    
BAILEY, GEORGE  FRANK   Mother's Maiden Surname:    LONGMAN     
GRO Reference: 1846  M Quarter in WIMBORNE AND CRANBORNE  Volume 08  Page 155

Frank George Bailey age 5 in 1851 census:
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5f4f9c24f4040b7020bc8141/george-frank-bailey-1851-dorset-wimborne-1846-?locale=en

Franks parents George Bailey and Emily Longman married  12 Dec 1840 at Cranbourne

Still trying to tease apart which kids are William Easter's and which are Fanny's and which are Emily Manston's... It's confusing how the dates overlap. That note posted a few posts above does go through the kid list and should be read a few times over.

Hi Alan,

Yes I also have the same information for Frank George Baileys parents - George Bailey and Emily longman however I’ve also come across a marriage between a Frank George Bailey and a Margaret Anna Dunn but I’m trying to find Frank George’s children birth Certs from this marriage to confirm if I have the right people

Many thanks :)
Title: Re: Bailey nee Taylor
Post by: Daisypetal on Saturday 15 May 21 22:03 BST (UK)

Hi,

If she was born on the 25th September it's quite possible that her birth would be registered in the Oct-Dec quarter. I wonder if she got her birth year wrong and that this is her?

Olive Evelyn TAYLOR    Dec Q 1912    Weymouth    5a  505    
no mmn.


She is in the same district in 1939.


Regards,
Daisy